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pahunkboy -> RE: "Writer admits Holocaust book is not true" (3/1/2008 1:13:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Life is about seeking facts and not accepting things that people tell you. That is my approach anyway and it makes no difference to my existence whether or not the holocaust happened as I wasn't directly affected by it therefore I'm only an impartial observer on this subject. I don't like it when people that question common beliefs are labelled holocaust deniers however. If the subject is up for debate then debate the facts don't label people to quell the debate.


here goes: there is an element that  embellishes this tragedy.    such has invited closer scrutiny.  as the planet gets more populated- the more it might need an event to thin out the herd..  in the past 40,000 years- famine, disease, wether has done so.  war and atrosity have done so as well.

clearly we need to better utilize how we use resources- we have to be smarter.

The haulacaust is extremely relevant to you, to me, and to all on this board.  The danger is it can happen so very easily.  Even if you dislike the groups of people in the HELL doesnt mean any subsequent event would include those same groups of people.

The irony is- those screams of horror are from the darkest hour of humanity.

One day you, and you alone could have the where-with-all to stop a pending slaughter. Why? because you have been served notice that mankind has the history of being this ugly.

So the notion that- "it is all in the past"- is a flawed one.



Owner59 -> RE: "Writer admits Holocaust book is not true" (3/1/2008 1:17:07 PM)

  

Bravo hunk.



Hippiekinkster -> RE: "Writer admits Holocaust book is not true" (3/1/2008 1:28:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Life is about seeking facts and not accepting things that people tell you. That is my approach anyway and it makes no difference to my existence whether or not the holocaust happened as I wasn't directly affected by it therefore I'm only an impartial observer on this subject. I don't like it when people that question common beliefs are labelled holocaust deniers however. If the subject is up for debate then debate the facts don't label people to quell the debate.

Well, that's the thing. Any moron can run around claiming "the Round Earth theory is a matter of debate" when, in fact, it has been conclusively proven. So, too, the number of people who were munrdered by the Nazis' Genocide of the European Jews. The Nazis kept meticulous records.

Niederlande            101,800
Belgien                     28,518
Luxembourg             >1,200
Danemark                      116
Frankreich              >76,000
Deutschland          >150,000
Italien                         7,551
Osterreich               >65,000
Tschekoslowakei    146,000
Ungarn                  >500,000
Jugoslawein               65,000
Albanien                         977
Greichenland             56,400
Bulgarien                 >11,000
Rumänien                210,000-270,000
Polen                   2,600,000-3,000,000
Sowjetunion         1,300,000-2,000,000
Norwegen                      758
from The Wannsee Conference and the Genocide of the European Jews, 3rd Ed, pg 147



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: "Writer admits Holocaust book is not true" (3/1/2008 1:30:40 PM)

Actually the earth isn't round it's a hemisphere.



Hippiekinkster -> RE: "Writer admits Holocaust book is not true" (3/1/2008 1:44:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Actually the earth isn't round it's a hemisphere.
Oh, really. Hahahahaha



Sinergy -> RE: "Writer admits Holocaust book is not true" (3/1/2008 1:59:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Actually the earth isn't round it's a hemisphere.


Oblate spheroid, actually

Sinergy



ottRopesandKnots -> RE: "Writer admits Holocaust book is not true" (3/1/2008 2:17:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3
Actually the earth isn't round it's a hemisphere.


Two of them even!



SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: "Writer admits Holocaust book is not true" (3/1/2008 2:28:37 PM)

True enough.[8|]



pahunkboy -> RE: "Writer admits Holocaust book is not true" (3/1/2008 2:39:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Life is about seeking facts and not accepting things that people tell you. That is my approach anyway and it makes no difference to my existence whether or not the holocaust happened as I wasn't directly affected by it therefore I'm only an impartial observer on this subject. I don't like it when people that question common beliefs are labelled holocaust deniers however. If the subject is up for debate then debate the facts don't label people to quell the debate.

Well, that's the thing. Any moron can run around claiming "the Round Earth theory is a matter of debate" when, in fact, it has been conclusively proven. So, too, the number of people who were munrdered by the Nazis' Genocide of the European Jews. The Nazis kept meticulous records.

Niederlande            101,800
Belgien                     28,518
Luxembourg             >1,200
Danemark                      116
Frankreich              >76,000
Deutschland          >150,000
Italien                         7,551
Osterreich               >65,000
Tschekoslowakei    146,000
Ungarn                  >500,000
Jugoslawein               65,000
Albanien                         977
Greichenland             56,400
Bulgarien                 >11,000
Rumänien                210,000-270,000
Polen                   2,600,000-3,000,000
Sowjetunion         1,300,000-2,000,000
Norwegen                      758
from The Wannsee Conference and the Genocide of the European Jews, 3rd Ed, pg 147


i wonder how many pink triangles.  as in suspected homosexual.

or a group called gypsies. which i dont think is a country- but i dont know.

I should note that - this was not the only extermination. However is is a huge number in recorded history.  [war is a good example- for instance classify ?? the one that kills our troops so as to enrage the army...; it isnt clear if that is-- something we as a civilized society  can except.]

many groups thru-out history have been treated as non-human.  

i did not mean to be lecturing to the one poster.  simply stated- that the evil that could unfold - it is on each and everyone one of us to block it. even if it is thru different methods.



Owner59 -> RE: "Writer admits Holocaust book is not true" (3/1/2008 3:14:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster

quote:

ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

Life is about seeking facts and not accepting things that people tell you. That is my approach anyway and it makes no difference to my existence whether or not the holocaust happened as I wasn't directly affected by it therefore I'm only an impartial observer on this subject. I don't like it when people that question common beliefs are labelled holocaust deniers however. If the subject is up for debate then debate the facts don't label people to quell the debate.

Well, that's the thing. Any moron can run around claiming "the Round Earth theory is a matter of debate" when, in fact, it has been conclusively proven. So, too, the number of people who were munrdered by the Nazis' Genocide of the European Jews. The Nazis kept meticulous records.

Niederlande            101,800
Belgien                     28,518
Luxembourg             >1,200
Danemark                      116
Frankreich              >76,000
Deutschland          >150,000
Italien                         7,551
Osterreich               >65,000
Tschekoslowakei    146,000
Ungarn                  >500,000
Jugoslawein               65,000
Albanien                         977
Greichenland             56,400
Bulgarien                 >11,000
Rumänien                210,000-270,000
Polen                   2,600,000-3,000,000
Sowjetunion         1,300,000-2,000,000
Norwegen                      758
from The Wannsee Conference and the Genocide of the European Jews, 3rd Ed, pg 147


i wonder how many pink triangles.  as in suspected homosexual.

or a group called gypsies. which i dont think is a country- but i dont know.

I should note that - this was not the only extermination. However is is a huge number in recorded history.  [war is a good example- for instance classify ?? the one that kills our troops so as to enrage the army...; it isnt clear if that is-- something we as a civilized society  can except.]

many groups thru-out history have been treated as non-human.  

i did not mean to be lecturing to the one poster.  simply stated- that the evil that could unfold - it is on each and everyone one of us to block it. even if it is thru different methods.


So true pahunk.

Gays,gypsies and political prisoners were the 1st to suffer.

This doesn`t take away from what Jews suffered but there was a difference of sorts.

A Jehovah`s witness,communist or homosexual could renounce his beliefs/status and possibly get away with their lives.

The was no "out" or redemption for Jews,..none.

If you were Jewish,you were marked for death and smoke up the chimney,period.

Very ,very grim.

Added:In Russia,the nazis killed over 25 million people.



MissMorrigan -> RE: "Writer admits Holocaust book is not true" (3/2/2008 4:47:25 AM)

Hunk, it continues to happen - in other countries - but will remain 'their problem' all the while they continue to be of little value to the west. If they had something of value, oil for instance, we'd be in there quicker than a ferret on its wedding night.
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
bttm line-it must never happen again.



NorthernGent -> RE: "Writer admits Holocaust book is not true" (3/2/2008 9:48:48 AM)

I seem to recall a similar issue with Primo Levi.

Who knows why they'd do it - a money making venture? - some sort of warped guilt that they weren't there when friends were? - perhaps they actually believe they were there.

If true, it just goes to show that everything is open to abuse - nothing is sacred.



bipolarber -> RE: "Writer admits Holocaust book is not true" (3/2/2008 10:10:27 AM)

One person fraudulently mis-labeling her book as non-fiction, hardly negates the single greatest crime against humanity in the history of the 20th century. There have been plenty of books out there, with far less honorable intent, that have not managed to dent the truth of what happened.

But, fools abound. There are the deniers, and there are people out there who refuse to believe in the holocaust, in the moon landing, who think that the world is run by aliens, who still think the world is flat. (Not only in Terry Pratchett's books, I'm afraid) There are tons of people out there who build their lives around pop culture fiction. Idiots have been with us since the start. The best way to combat them is to simply teach yourself, and those around you the truth.

Just keep your eyes open, and your mind skeptical.




Chloelicious -> RE: "Writer admits Holocaust book is not true" (3/3/2008 1:50:43 AM)

Primo Levi Was a real jewish guy and he really been to concentration camps, he wrote a lot of book and this one is about it: If it is a man.

Now to de fonseca: She was'nt born in the jewish religion but she convert to Judaïsm (she is Belgian).
Her father was an ancient resistant but after being tortured by the Gestapo, he became an indicator and gave his resistant fellows.(I don't know what i would have done at his place if i had been tortured by nazis)
His name was erase from a "resistant stele" on the schaarbeek city hall wall.

I'm really disapointed about this woman cause she non only lied to herself, to the readers but a french director had made a movie about this story.SO because of that her lie were spread to the grand public who have'nt read her book.

Why does no one wondered about her story when she wrote it the first time in mid 80 i think?
Why re print the book if the story seemed odd?
Why did she recognise she lied, she should have said, It is my story thats all.

Chloé

edited for non proper english.



meatcleaver -> RE: "Writer admits Holocaust book is not true" (3/3/2008 2:03:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveluci

"Writer admits Holocaust book is not true:"

BOSTON - Almost nothing Misha Defonseca wrote about herself or her horrific childhood during the Holocaust was true.
She didn't live with a pack of wolves to escape the Nazis. She didn't trek 1,900 miles across Europe in search of her deported parents, nor kill a German soldier in self-defense. She's not even Jewish....... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080229/ap_on_re_us/holocaust_book_hoax I found this interesting reading.  Just thought I'd share.........................luci


Thinking about it, there are far bigger historical lies than this to get worked up about. Such as just about every country's national history to start with.



PrizedPosession -> RE: "Writer admits Holocaust book is not true" (3/3/2008 2:04:17 AM)

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller



i found this poem in the 6th grade and it has always stuck with me...thought it was relevant to the topic



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