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MaamJay -> RE: Dominant on your knees? (3/11/2008 3:29:32 AM)
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LOL Six, used to have a cat which was mostly black with white underbelly and a few other white bits. We had to warn everyone, only pat Bandit's black bits, DON'T pat his white bits! Well of course, he loved to roll over and tempt people ... one silly girl succumbed to temptation and her arm was totally shredded! We felt awful but she admitted it was her fault and she'd been warned!
Getting back to the debate, as one who has done some sociobiology, Six is right in that these things are innate. The animal kingdom has any number of submissive postures which are intended to appease a dominant member of the group and prevent actual harm. Some of them, such as kneeling (and genuflecting is a more extreme form of this), making oneself appear smaller etc are all obvious in a number of animals, and like it or not, we are animals (cos we're definitely not plants nor bacteria!). Just watch 2 dogs interact! It's interesting that when we watch other primates, we interpret their open-mouthed faces as being like ours, ie smiling, happy, when in fact for them, this is showing fear and submission. This is one eg of a gesture whose meaning has been redefined in the process of becoming human. However, while I wholeheartedly agree that part of being Dominant is being able to go beyond the stereotypes, and these innate feelings about kneeling could be viewed as a stereotyped response, it's not going to work for all subs, especially depending on what is happening. As some have indicated here, when on their knees doing something practical eg tying a sub's ankles, it's not going to appear submissive as You are doing something overtly Dominant at the same time. Or as TammyJo has done, You can condition Your sub to understand that while down there You have even more control over his bits than when upright! However, I would hazard a guess that not too many Dommes would kneel before their subs with their eyes lowered and not doing anything for any length of time. And while I did it once, and have a pic to prove it LOL, I'd probably not kneel to give a sub oral sex again. It didn't feel entirely right in My head (and maybe that's compounded by the fact that I am both Domme and sub) ... and it didn't feel right in his either. he was much happier when I was sitting and he was put in the awkward position. Of course, these days I don't kneel much whether Domme or sub, count Me in to the "stuffed knees" brigade LOL! Interestingly, the only time I can kneel without pain is when i am very deep in subspace, i sink down there entirely voluntarily and don't suffer any after-effects either.
Maam Jay aka violet[A]
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