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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 7:34:32 PM

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I was trained as a soldier, and it was impressed upon me as a soldier if I kill, then it is a clean kill, no ifs no buts, if I am being attacked, then kill but be clean, purely to eliminate the threat. Clean as in a clean kill, no torture, lingering death or whatever, be humane.No where in my training was the idea that I could torture animals, and scruffing an infant animal and throwing it,I would run the risk of court marshall, as animals are not a threat, not only that, but .it would put question marks on my sanity

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 7:35:20 PM

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It's a dog.

They are doing far worse to PEOPLE over there.

Do You not think we are our brothers keeper???

Call me sick, but a puppy's not as close to me as another human being. I completely agree with Leatherist's point. It still doesn't mean we condone the marine's disgusting actions.

My priorities are pretty clear, and pretty cold. I'd see a hundred puppies sail off a cliff if it would save one human being.

Especially puppies that are basically parasites-and never do anything useful-only consume.

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 7:37:01 PM

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I'm sure. War does not excuse cruelty. Marines are taught from day 1 in boot camp that you don't make war on innocents. Nowhere in this man's training was he informed otherwise.

celticlord:
As I am sure you are well aware boot camp is a very small part of a marines training.
The marine corps has a long history of violence against "innocents".
Perhaps you might want to read something by Smedley Butler "War is a Racket". Colonel Hoffman's "Chesty". Then there is 1/9 and a place called Cam ne. The list goes back a couple of hundred years but you get the gist of what I am saying.
Marines are trained to kill on command and given very little or no psychological help in discerning the difference between "this"and "that".
I am not making excuses for this individual or the corps in general. My point is that when one inculcates a disregard for life that is part and parcel of what one does for a living this is necessarily a by-product of that mind set.
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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 7:45:52 PM

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My priorities are pretty clear, and pretty cold. I'd see a hundred puppies sail off a cliff if it would save one human being.

Especially puppies that are basically parasites-and never do anything useful-only consume.

Leatherist:
It looks like you are trying to set up a "false analogy" here. This was simply a case of gratuitous cruelity....no lives were being saved by tossing the puppy.
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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 7:49:12 PM

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I know.

Killing a puppy is much worse than this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB-atl3YBSQ

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 7:49:48 PM

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Will seeing this make you stop eating pork?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNLOBD78Dd0

No, but if they had eaten the dog, they might have been able to claim necessity.

Now, that we have compared pigs to dogs…

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I'd see a hundred puppies sail off a cliff if it would save one human being.

If you would be so kind as to point out the human being whose life was saved by this act.

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Especially puppies that are basically parasites-and never do anything useful-only consume.

Funny, I’d go the other way; God knows when another human might decide to throw me off a cliff in the name of…. What’s the word of the day?

k

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 7:53:33 PM

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How much food do you suppose one hundred dogs will eat in a lifetime? Could that same food be used to feed say-fifty humans instead?

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 7:53:44 PM

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i would never label You as sick kittnSol .....i have worked in women's shelters, animal shelters, and have been a Guardian Ad Litem ..... very possibly is my perspective that is askew. Although there is a rather dull point that said animal is indeed just a dog, does not mean it has less value then a human ...... that is my humble lil opinion.

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 7:53:54 PM

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I think it's immaterial whether it's worse to be cruel to an animal or to a human being... both suck. No creature should be tortured for the pleasure of another (though to say this on a BDSM board may make some people quake). Point is, it's just plain wrong.

I still think there's a correlation between wartime and what it does to people. War makes people act like beasts. It unleashes terrible pulsions of death.

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 7:55:11 PM

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I was trained as a soldier, and it was impressed upon me as a soldier if I kill, then it is a clean kill, no ifs no buts, if I am being attacked, then kill but be clean, purely to eliminate the threat. Clean as in a clean kill, no torture, lingering death or whatever, be humane.No where in my training was the idea that I could torture animals, and scruffing an infant animal and throwing it,I would run the risk of court marshall, as animals are not a threat, not only that, but .it would put question marks on my sanity

thank you and bravo for sanity.

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 7:57:18 PM

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How much food do you suppose one hundred dogs will eat in a lifetime? Could that same food be used to feed say-fifty humans instead?

i suppose that depends on if the person likes gravy train or not.... i personally prefer pork rinds or waffles, but dog food would do in a pinch i guess...

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 7:57:34 PM

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How much food do you suppose one hundred dogs will eat in a lifetime? Could that same food be used to feed say-fifty humans instead?

Which do you think would destroy Earth first?

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 7:58:30 PM

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And yet, those of you who eat processed meat are guilty of enabling animal cruelty. Those neat little packages you buy in supermakets came from the suffering and death of animals. But you scream bloody murder when a "pet animal" is killed.

Astounding.

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 7:59:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

I was trained as a soldier, and it was impressed upon me as a soldier if I kill, then it is a clean kill, no ifs no buts, if I am being attacked, then kill but be clean, purely to eliminate the threat. Clean as in a clean kill, no torture, lingering death or whatever, be humane.No where in my training was the idea that I could torture animals, and scruffing an infant animal and throwing it,I would run the risk of court marshall, as animals are not a threat, not only that, but .it would put question marks on my sanity

thank you and bravo for sanity.

and bravo for having a soul.

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 7:59:56 PM

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How much food do you suppose one hundred dogs will eat in a lifetime? Could that same food be used to feed say-fifty humans instead?

Which do you think would destroy Earth first?

k

Who enables vast quantites of pet animals to exist in the first place? Who destroys is not the point. Who uses up resources is.

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 8:03:10 PM

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Who uses up resources is.

Even on this point, I believe I can rest my case.

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 8:03:23 PM

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And yet, those of you who eat processed meat are guilty of enabling animal cruelty. Those neat little packages you buy in supermakets came from the suffering and death of animals. But you scream bloody murder when a "pet animal" is killed.

Astounding.

god yes, if it's still mooing when i eat it, all the better hehe. pass the A1 please! and can i have a crumbled pork rind topper on my raw steak? yum!

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 8:03:29 PM

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How much food do you suppose one hundred dogs will eat in a lifetime? Could that same food be used to feed say-fifty humans instead?

i suppose that depends on if the person likes gravy train or not.... i personally prefer pork rinds or waffles, but dog food would do in a pinch i guess...

Our old folks are already eating dog food to make ends meet.

I hope you aren't counting on social security when you retire.

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 8:03:32 PM

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Does it not seem a little strange to you how videos of this type seem to show up on this type of website...Just wondering if it was not set up...

Butch

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RE: Marines and a puppy - 3/5/2008 8:04:42 PM

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How much food do you suppose one hundred dogs will eat in a lifetime? Could that same food be used to feed say-fifty humans instead?

i suppose that depends on if the person likes gravy train or not....

*snort*

OK, Just sayin', here....

People are dying in Iraq. US armed forces are contributing to the body count. Humans are assumed to be able to defend themselves, generally speaking.
A puppy? not so much.

And I tend to agree with KS that in a combat situation, sometimes people may do things that they never would have imagined prior to the combat.. stress can do really fucked up stuff to ya. ... And no... obviously, I do NOT condone what this guy did, and I agree as someone else said that he should be punished (along with those that stood by and watched).

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