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kinky celebs - 3/9/2008 7:43:02 PM

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Seeing how much gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands there is in the American press when a gay celeb comes out, I wonder how long it will be before an A-list star declares they're kinky. Rumours about Angelina Jolie have been around for ages, for example.

The music industry seems more tolerant of kink then Hollywood. An hour spent watching Much Music will convine anyone of that.
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RE: kinky celebs - 3/9/2008 8:17:13 PM

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The music industry is only tolerant of kink or sexuality when they are firmly in control of it and it is completely artificial. An authentic sexual being like Candy Kane has endless trouble getting her music produced and distributed, despite her great talent, because of her past in the porn industry and her continued participation in Sex Positive causes.

The only genre of music she can perform is the Blues, because the Blues is the only American musical community that can deal with women who are big, powerful, AND sexual all at once. Even then there are problems.

In the end, corporations are not really better than churches when it comes to imposing artificial values.

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/10/2008 5:13:09 AM

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Wow, its been a whole 4 months since the last 'holoywood always paints kink in a negative light' thread ..... http://www.collarchat.com/m_1420693/mpage_1/tm.htm

I think thats a new record.

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/10/2008 12:57:25 PM

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Well file it under The Department of Redundancy Department then Mistah Tigah... I did a search of keywords and nothing came up under Hollywood / celebs / kinky / bdsm. I'm new to this website but did my due diligence. Don't be such a crank or I'll have to spank ya. :P

Not really looking for a public musing on the hows and whys kink isn't protrayed in a more positive manner in celluloid. But rather if / when any celebs might feel it's OK to "come out". I get a feeling kink is where gay was in the 70's. On the verge of if not widespread acceptance, then at least more widespread acknowledgement that it exists and isn't a "sickness".

If this discussion bores you please feel free to return to your regularly scheduled programming......

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/10/2008 6:17:14 PM

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Its not a matter of being unable to use the search feature. Its a matter of the overriding mindset of 'Oh boo hoo hoo, we live in a police state, we are so oppressed'.

The other thread listed mutiple cases where kink is shown in a positive light. Both today and going back over the past 20 years. It also lists cases where a celeberity is discovered to be kinky and absoutly no fuss is made over it at all. Ho hum, big deal, so what.

But to the people who have convinced themselves that we live in a puriticinal society none of this matters. They have already made up their mind that kink is looked down on and we in the comunity are downtroden and picked on. Nothing at all could ever change this.

I could quite easily list off just as many instances for gay as I did kink. Brokback moutian came out and there was not huge protests in the streets with thousands of angry right wing christians holding picket sighns. The worse that came from it is that some of the more oddball groups issued press statements. OH! Not press statements! Anything but press statements! ..... Yet evey newspaper went ahead and reacted as if homosecuality was oppresed anyway. "Is amarica ready for a film like this? Are those ignorant inbread backwood hicks who love in the red states goiing to be open minded enough to finaly see the light?'. The christrian right didnt opress the film despite holowoods desperate desire for them to opress so that they can point fingers and say 'see, we still arnt accepted'. Heck, even the director Ang Lee was quoted in an interview and asked what he thought abotu the near lack of any protest againt the film and he said 'oh, those evil right wingers are so crafty. They stayed quiet on purpose because they didnt want to give us any free publicity. Thats how evil these right wingers are!"

I could go on and on and on with this. Sara Gilbert (the actress who played Darlene on rosanne) came out and there was NOT front page headlines for months and months with everyone talking about it. Ian McKellen (Gandalf, magneto) is not only openly gay but an strong activist. Did you see the hundreds uppon hundreds of news articles screamign abotu how uncaleld for this was? I didnt.

I keep on seeing this 'kink now is like gay in the 70's' thing over and over. and over. Its not. Kink now is like gay was in the 1930. The flapper era was much more secuality liberated in some ways than even the hights of the sex obssed 1980s and madonsa kink heavy 'sex' book. But then that went into decline as privacy became more and more a concern. Dude, read a freakign history book for once and lay off of the 'oh woe is us, we are so picked on. We are so misunderstood, we will never be accepted' melodramma

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/10/2008 7:34:29 PM

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I think the only melodrama going on here is ^^^^^. BTW do you always spell badly when you get wound up Mistah Tigah?

Ok fuck it. Never mind. Forget I even posted anything. I was just luridly curious about celebs that had come out. There wasn't damm thing in my post - explicit nor implicit - about "oppression". But hey - thanks for jumping all over me. Made me feel real warm and fuzzy and welcome,

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/10/2008 7:46:51 PM

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Um... Madonna?
Or the aformentioned Angelina...
Gwenneth Paltrow showing up on the red carpet with fire cup marks?
Jeri Ryan admitting her husband "dragged" her to a BDSM club in europe?
That sort of thing?

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/10/2008 9:27:15 PM

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There are have blind items and gossip in the papers and internet about celebrities who enjoy kinky play, so it does happen. I just don't think there is that much interest in celebrities activities moreso than who is sleeping with whom. For the most part, Kink is now a known activity, and thanks to HBO and other media, it isn't harshly condemned as it once was. There is still the occasional protest, but its the same people protesting who protest everything from birth control to dancing.

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/10/2008 10:53:17 PM

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Um... Madonna?
Or the aformentioned Angelina...
Gwenneth Paltrow showing up on the red carpet with fire cup marks?
Jeri Ryan admitting her husband "dragged" her to a BDSM club in europe?
That sort of thing?

hmm, you got the link to that????

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/11/2008 3:52:40 AM

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Gwenneth Paltrow showing up on the red carpet with fire cup marks?

ehhhem

You are a very well educated man so spreading rumors about someone.?Not that I care, but Gweneth Paltrow had marks from Moxabustion. It is a asian medicine practice, not BDSM.

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/11/2008 5:13:05 AM

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ONE) Yes I always spell like this. Even when Im not being grumpy.

TWO) Expresions like 'gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands there is in the American press' and 'more tolerant of kink then Hollywood' kind of indicated to me that there was a damm thing in your post post - explicit and implicit - about "oppression".

THREE) Its pointless wondering 'gee, when will we ever reach the day where a celeberity will come out about being kinky' is pointless as there are already mutiple celeberties who are out already. The thread I linked to list several. Its not an 'about to' its an 'already has'.

FOUR) Like point number 3, we are not on the verge of a public turnaround where kink will finaly come to light. That already happened over a decade ago. I personaly place the peek at when Joe Sixpack was ligning up around the block to buy Madonsa 'sex' book back in 1992. We are actualy in a period of decline right now as privacy rights are once again becoming important. Atatude of the alt-sex comunity is changing from 'who are you to judge' to 'who are you to know'. Just as it did at the end of the flapper era of the 1930s. Kink is retreating from the public arena, not increasing toward a breakthrough acceptance.

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/11/2008 5:43:31 AM

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Eva Longoria is just on the edge of out. She proffesses a love of bondage openly, and appeared on the Tonight Show in a pair of six inch heels that, well, kinky as all hell. Vanilla girls do not wear shoes like that... Total bondage bunny taste. I know because I have almost the same ones and they're about enjoying the fetish. I suspect there's a corset that goes with those shoes.
Angelina- she changes persona so much I don't think so. People all thought I was a ProDomme long before I discovered BDSM and the joy of submission. So you never know- don't confuse Domme with Warrior. She's definitely Warrior.

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/11/2008 3:47:16 PM

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OK - point taken on the implicit oppression comment. But let me see if I u/s you Tyger Tyger burning "brite" :

- despite the fact the internet now penetrates 85%+ households in the US
- despite the fact that sexual content - outside of acedemia - was/ is one of the prime growth factors for internet use, and certainly one of the most commerically lucrative
- despite the plethora of sites like collarme.com, bondage.com, wasteland.com, hogtied.com and countless others that have sprung up on the 'net in the last decade or so
- and despite the very examples given here by yourself and others about TV, videos and movies containing more and more bdsm content in their plot lines or character development...

... you ascertain that kink is retreating from the public arena. Hmm...

Well. I'm sure we're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view.

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/11/2008 5:54:36 PM

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Yeah, in the last decade yes, but remember that was 10 years ago .....

Porn was the driving force behind the VCR abd the DVD as well as the major force behind the expansion of the internet in general and file sharing programs spicificly. But if you notice with the new web2.0 apps comming in, porn is lagging very much behind. Youtube came first, pornotube and redtube didnt come untill much later and are not nearly as popular as the first. Social networking sites like friendster and myspace came first and are amazingly popular. Places like socialkink didnt come untill much later and are not nearly as popular.

It didnt crash like it was some kind of bubble, but privacy rights are slowly becoming more and more important. Think bill clintion and his 'private life' speach. More and more people are thinking that their private life is nobody elses business and shouldent be talked abotu publicly.

Study history and this will be obvious. History repeats itself. Somewhere around 2020-2025 privacy rights will have once again hit a peek and then that will go into decline with public disclosure once again gaining ground. The example I always use is the difrence between Alaxender Halmitons sex scandel and Thommas Jeffersons sex scandel. They were 40 years apart from each other. Hamiltons scandel was at the peek of the 'private' phase and was hardly reported on at all aside from one newspaper. Today there are people who are history buffs who dodnt even know it happened at all. Compare that to Jeffersons sex scandel that happened at the height of the 'public' phase and it was so widly reported on and talked abotu so publicly that his entire cabnit was forced into resigning.

When history repeats itself it is not in the form of 'being group A is like being group B 20 years ago'. Thats not repeating, thats liniear. Group after group going public untill everyone and everythign is out in the open. The way history reasly repeats itself is in a loop. Public for a while and then private for a while then going back to public for a while.

Would it suprise you to know that the first openly gay actor from hollywood was in the 1920s?

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/11/2008 6:29:07 PM

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The decline that you are talking about is called acceptance. It doesn't raise too many eyebrows when someone is found to be involved in kink and the press seem mostly positive in their coverage unless it involves a capital crime (i.e. murder, minors, money laundering). Society's attitude seems to be one of rolling ones eyes and moving on unless the individual is a hypocrite (Elliot Spitzer) who condemns people for what they do while they are doing the same (Republicans caught soliciting male prostitutes). No, the real problem is that bdsm isn't that titillating a subject for the Main Stream Media. Piercings and Tattoos don't shock people anymore. This doesn't mean they approve, it just means they tolerate it and move on with life. The stereo-types don't apply and quite frankly there isn't the need for a person to wave their freak flag anymore. It's here and people are used to it.

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/11/2008 8:36:36 PM

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The tabloid media really only seem to care when something goes terribly wrong, or if there's a major element of hypocricy involved. They don't care if you are openly gay, but if you try to stay closeted, and have some history of persecuting homosexuals, (a la Sen. Craig) then you are fair game. After all, if he were as out as Harvey Milk, where would be the juicy fun in gossiping about him? Same with Rep. Ryan and his hottie wife. If they had just been happily married, and visited those clubs as a couple... I doubt if anyone would have cared. But, when the divorice and child custody battle came up, then the details became sufficiently "juicy" to warrant the ink.

The tabloid media has an incredibly twisted sense of fun, don't you think? And they have the nerve to call US weird. These are people who get off and make profit on destroying people's lives... As a sometimes Top/ sensual Dom, I love working someone over. But I still subscribe to the "campfire rule" (always leave where you camp in better shape when you leave than when you first got there. It's a good policy for loving partners as well.) the tabloid media seems more interested in scortched Earth.

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/11/2008 8:44:47 PM

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The tabloid media really only seem to care when something goes terribly wrong, or if there's a major element of hypocricy involved. They don't care if you are openly gay, but if you try to stay closeted, and have some history of persecuting homosexuals, (a la Sen. Craig) then you are fair game.

Concur; what they are really looking for is either the fall from grace or the hypocrisy. For instance, Bill Clinton survived having an affair with Monica Lewinsky because he was never exactly a moral crusader, but this latest prostitution issue is probably going to bring Spitzer down because he is precisely that.

So with regard to kink, unless someone projects a seriously non-kinky image and is intolerant of it, I think it's more often a non-issue. Unless it's someone who is simply batshit loonball as a human being, but then everything becomes notable...

The persecution for kink, I think, is more prevalent in non-media forms than media now, and more so, it's not so much overt persecution as certain crucial assumptions that become a part of a person's character (or in my case, total lack thereof).

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/12/2008 5:36:02 AM

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Here we go again ..... ~sigh~

ONE) Elliot Spitzer is a democrat, not a republican.

TWO) If Spitzer is a crusader againt anything it is white collar crime. As attorney general he fought hard againt securties and investement fraud, and other corperate scandles. He also had a side issue with medical reform and helth care issues. His stance on 'gettin rid of them damn filthy homosexulas' is next to nill.

THREE) Larry Craigs record as representitive was mostly focused on vetrens benifits, medical reform and agraculture funding. People love to pull out the 'he voted againt same sex marriage' as some kind of ~proof~ that he was a hypocrite, but that vote was a straight up party line vote from over a decade ago and certinaly was not his number one overriding focus.

FOUR) Jack Ryans voting record is a bit harder to pin down as he never actualy held any office. But his campaigning was focused mostly on tax cuts and school choice. If he said anything at all about 'the lord jeses says in the bible that homos are sinners, electe me and I will get rid of them all' it certianly wasent his central focus.

Yeah, the media loves to pain politicins as hypocrites who say one thing and do another. But hey, even if they arnt realy a homophobic hatemonger, just paint them that way anyway.

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/12/2008 5:52:41 PM

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TWO) If Spitzer is a crusader againt anything it is white collar crime. As attorney general he fought hard againt securties and investement fraud, and other corperate scandles. He also had a side issue with medical reform and helth care issues. His stance on 'gettin rid of them damn filthy homosexulas' is next to nill.

While he's definitely most well-known for his SEC-related actions, they are hardly the only thing he was involved with...

Spitzer prosecuted prostitution rings and publicly excoriated those running them. Irony bills always come due, however.

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RE: kinky celebs - 3/14/2008 11:32:13 PM

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Sometimes I want to send an private invitation to a very famous guy because when I read between the lines he seems like one of us. He might not know there's a local dungeon not too far from his house! My guess is many are too busy or too guarded to get away. Hopefully the do not ignore their feelings. My friends and I would snicker probably then feel honored they choose are local club.

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