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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 7:19:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: mstrj69
It has gotten more to be only what those involved in a relationship want it to be.

And the problem with that is.......?

The Old Guard -- who never called themselves that -- were homosexual leathermen who were WWII vets. I'm straight, my sub is a vegetarian, and even vanilla leather culture has nothing to do with either of us. If it helps you, my congratulations. I respect people based on whether they build up others, not on the dogma they slavishly follow.

All hail the New Age Guard!

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 7:25:56 PM

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Cheers to the 'New Guard' It's not that I do not believe that there is nothing to learn from the 'Old Guard', it's that I don't think I need to be told that my values are skewed or wrong by someone based on the fact that they had some influence on the beginning of a movement.

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 7:52:56 PM

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Bad Masters. I am not looking for a Master. I learned long ago everyone is different so what they do is up to them. I was at a meeting out of Ohio and I went with a Dom/Domme couple who are good friends but nothing further. I went as their slave to avoid problems. We were talking with a sub we know and next to us was a Dom/sub? Couple. The Dom ordered his sub to get him a drink and the sub said no. He ordered again and the sub told him if he wanted "any" he would be nice. The sub looked at me and ordered me to get the drink. I ignored him and he stated he would kick my ass if I didn't get that drink. The Domme told the other sub that his action was was inappropriate and to apologize. The sub called her a bitch; he has no idea of how close he came to physical harm. She went to the host and the host told them to leave NOW and I am sure they will not get invited again too many area events. That is what a 21 year old “self proclaimed Master” gets you.

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 7:56:16 PM

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How long have you been actively submitting?

julia

Almost 30 years

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 7:59:58 PM

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Your are a poster child for what I am talking about. You don't take any of this seriously. It's all a joke.

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 8:08:22 PM

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RedHotAndSoSexy, Yes I agree that MistreessDolly's response might be a little catty. But , what do you expect when She is confronted with a post exemplifying the OP's observation. I like Cali and have enjoyed banter with her and see her as playful more than aggressive or insulting. But, her post did ridicule not 1 but 2 different posters by implying that they take themselves too seriously. We cannot hear tone/inflection or see facial expressions on a message board. Without trying to insult Cali I saw this post as indicative of the behaviors the OP was questioning. Even playfully ridiculing others can be perceived as a lack of respect for the persons being ridiculed. None of us are born knowing socities behaviors, they are taught, and learned. That includes the different power exchange choices of lifestyle here. I see the differences here on this thread as more of a difference in protocol training , NOT a matter of disrespect. Cali and I have passed several smart assed remarks to one another on different topics on the forums and I again say that I PERCEIVE her as playful and more button pushing than mean hurtful or disrespectful.

So by making excuses for her do you think you are doing her a favor? Common everyday courtesy tells you you don't make fun and ridicule other people who didn't say anything about her. If after 1778 posts she should be able to tell if people ar serious.

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 8:10:00 PM

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1, I am not a master, so the OP's observations don't apply to me.
2, I can ridicule ideas without ridiculing a person.
3, Two people in a row espousing so much twuism... god help me, I couldn't resist. Old Guard to correct those in error? SERIOUSLY? And "quality Dommes" patient, loving and understanding - it almost sounds like a combination of the Girl Scout Oath and the Boy Scout oath rolled into one.

And yes, I think they both take themselves too seriously. And no, I wasn't offended by Dolly's reply.

Cali

Everytime you post you just look worse.

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 8:11:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

1, I am not a master, so the OP's observations don't apply to me.
2, I can ridicule ideas without ridiculing a person.
3, Two people in a row espousing so much twuism... god help me, I couldn't resist. Old Guard to correct those in error? SERIOUSLY? And "quality Dommes" patient, loving and understanding - it almost sounds like a combination of the Girl Scout Oath and the Boy Scout oath rolled into one.

And yes, I think they both take themselves too seriously. And no, I wasn't offended by Dolly's reply.

Cali

Everytime you post you just look worse.

I would venture that that depends on what angle you're looking from.

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 8:11:31 PM

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If I have to tell a self proclaimed Dom/Domme that we are not at a Halloween party and how to act then they are not worthy of the title and DEMEAN those who are.

Hmmm. When did Dom become a self-proclaimed title? I thought it was an orientation - Dominant. I self-proclaim that I am bisexual and submissive... did I earn either orientation, excuse me, title? Do I fuckin' HAVE TO??

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Your are a poster child for what I am talking about. You don't take any of this seriously. It's all a joke.

I take BDSM quite seriously. It is the one-true wayism sewage being spewed every which way that I don't take seriously.

Cali

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 8:13:19 PM

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That is what a 21 year old “self proclaimed Master” gets you.

Could have been happening 4 states over with a 45 year old Master at another function at the very moment it was at your function. So? Its NOT the age that is an issue. It is how they teach what is theres to behave. Point blank.

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 8:14:38 PM

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Everytime you post you just look worse.

Then do yourself a favor and put me on block. You won't be the first, another holier-than-thou took that privilege before you, and you won't be the last.

Cali

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 8:15:44 PM

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Everytime you post you just look worse.

Then do yourself a favor and put me on block. You won't be the first, another holier-than-thou took that privilege before you, and you won't be the last.

Cali

Mmmm Cali on the auction block....

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 8:17:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: mstrj69
It has gotten more to be only what those involved in a relationship want it to be.

And the problem with that is.......?

The Old Guard -- who never called themselves that -- were homosexual leathermen who were WWII vets. I'm straight, my sub is a vegetarian, and even vanilla leather culture has nothing to do with either of us. If it helps you, my congratulations. I respect people based on whether they build up others, not on the dogma they slavishly follow.

All hail the New Age Guard!

Which is fine do you ridicule and are you rude to a person because the have a different view? I never went to school to learn how to be polite in public.

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 8:23:43 PM

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I was not rude; you will note I congratulated him if it worked for him. I am, however, happy to have what I have, which is actually REAL, unlike Old-Guard-worship.

Assuming that "Old Guard" has any superiority to anything else -- when the Old Guard "traditions" varied dramatically from town to town -- is ignorant at best. His position was that of someone not schooled in history and tradition. Positions based on fiction deserve less respect than positions based on fact.

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 8:25:13 PM

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My mistake I am new on the site and thought it was a serous site.

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 8:33:14 PM

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My mistake I am new on the site and thought it was a serous site.

Ok, how about a reality check? You are the one who posted about just getting out of an abusive relationship. You are the one whose post history indicates you aren't a great judge of people. If you pay attention to what Cali is saying you might learn something, so you are not hurt again.

BDSM is one tool available to people so they can be fulfilled and happy. It's not ordained. It's not passed down by a secret 3,000-year-old house. And -- ** fact alert ** -- those Old Guard leathermen didn't have long-term relationships. They had six-month flings and passed each other diseases.

The Golden Age of BDSM is right now, this second, today. You have a better chance of meeting a consensual-BDSM life partner now than at any previous time in the history of the world.

People who say every single relationship is like "X" should not be taken seriously. They are too full of themselves to look around and see the truth.

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Not with envy, not with a twisted heart, shall you feel superior, or go about boasting. Rather in goodness by action make true your song and your word. Thus you shall be highly regarded, and able to live in peace with all others.
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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 8:49:34 PM

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I think the 'trend' is that some people get so caught up in all the bdsm propaganda that they can't see the forest for the trees anymore.

Words like master, mistress, dom, daddy, sub, slave etc are only terms/labels/names we apply in our bdsm relationships to describe our orientations and how we see our partners in relation to ourselves.

Someone's master is just someone's master because that master has a person in his life that sees him as such, and relates to him as such, and refers to him as such. They're not actually a master to everyone else in the world. There aren't any "Real Masters".

People are people, with good and bad characteristics, regardless of their bdsm orientation, or what they call themselves within their private relationships.

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 9:17:31 PM

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How long have you been actively submitting?

julia

Almost 30 years

That is very odd. It is my impression from talking to people in my local community, reading about how people behave within the community... etc. that there is a lot of acceptance and broadness to what is done. There are SAMs, painsluts, tops and bottoms. There are people into romantic D/s and people into M/s. There are a plethora of different styles of mastering and submitting... there are Daddy Doms and Mommy dommes...

I suppose tyou may have been doing this for 30 years, but the people that live in my community have had their group for over a decade do not advertise themselves as being old guard or new guard or even right guard. I have read their membership bios and exchanged emails with some of them... and they have a very different attitude than you. My Daddy has been to a lot of different events, and not witnessed what you are speaking of. So, what I am supposed to do is believe that you, a stranger on the internet, know the time honored one true way of things.. and the entire universe outside of your one true way is the wrong way... um, ok, I do not buy that... good luck finding your master that will conform to you and your standards of what sort of master he should be. I will take my deal, I have someone who dominates me the way he wants to. (he happens to know a fish fork from a salad one.... lucky me).

julia

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 9:33:12 PM

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Wow, I just got my first really, truly offensive, vile trash-spewing hate mail. Thanks need2bused6! I'm no longer a hate-mail virgin.

Cali

Edited to say: Next time you might want to use spell check. I'm just sayin'.

< Message edited by CalifChick -- 3/10/2008 9:35:14 PM >

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RE: The Quality of a Master - 3/10/2008 9:38:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

Wow, I just got my first really, truly offensive, vile trash-spewing hate mail. Thanks need2bused6! I'm no longer a hate-mail virgin.

Cali

Edited to say: Next time you might want to use spell check. I'm just sayin'.

Mark the date... March 10th 2008.... Cali got her hate mail cherry popped

julia

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