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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 11:22:21 AM   
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Our Abusers don't need to be in the room with us, we carry them with us wherever they go and we hear their voices constantly. I know I hear the judgments of my parents every time I look in a mirror, and there are times that I will admit I don't complete things or reach for things because I can still hear them telling me how much of an embarrassment I am, how I will never be good for anything except cleaning and breeding even while demanding that I get nothing less than A's in school, be popular without allowing me friends, be erudite and well spoken while denying me the right to speak without permission.

At age 55 I still hear their voices, sometimes a lot louder than Masters, or yours, or my own saying I have value. I still have trouble believing he loves me, and the Lords and Ladies are the only ones who know how he can manage with a wife who is all but neuter as far as sexual desire goes. For me the emotional is far more satisfying than the bumping of uglies and I would prefer the whip to the vibrator (though I have one that allows me to finish in 5 seconds when needed). I digress.

I determined to raise my UMs in a healthy manner and as far from the way I had been raised. I did a pretty decent job of it, and without a good example to go from. My secret? I listened to them and treated them as individuals, encouraging them to reach for things others said they would never achieve. My oldest never slept more than 2 hours a night in his life, on massive doses of ritalin he was hyper at the level most kids are diagnosed and teachers wrote him off academically, he is now a Programmer handles Data Security for a Bank.  You are doing a fantastic job as well. You listen to your Things 1 and 2, stand firm when they explode out of control or become temperamental and encourage them to rise above and beyond what others would limit them to. No "Thing" could as for more from a parent. Meanwhile don't forget to parent yourself, give yourself the same permissions and encouragements you give them. Look to see where things are coming from and WHOSE voice you are actually hearing, then place a value on that voice. YOURS should have the highest value..all others should be less than that  (yes even Masters) and the negative voices..given no value at all.. Zero, Zip, Zilch.  Ok I said yours should have the highest value but it is the one you hear telling you negative things or that you are not doing everything you can..right? WRONG.. If you listen closely you will hear the subtle difference, it's not your voice, it is someone elses disguising itself as yours. An Impersonator. If you listen closely you will know whose voice it actually is and begin to ignore it.  I recognize my Negative voices from the past, I don't always win against them (see above) but at least I know who and where they come from and can try to move past them..sometimes it takes help, but it can be done and I do it daily.

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i know these voices well...at the ripe old age of 40, i found the most incredible hypnotherapist who made most of those voices become silent...from that time on, i've been very very close to my sister & i no longer hear those voices...however, there were some whose voices i neglected to deal with & those haunt me...sometimes, i am able to recall the work i did before & silence them as they occur...other days, i hear them coming from Daddy's mouth & i try to run from them by running from him...*again*...so far, he hasn't let me go, but if i can't stop this, one day he probably will & i hate the thought that someday i will really be without him in my world.....

edited to add:  i too made the decision to stop the cycle with my daughter...i think i did that fairly well, since she is a most incredible woman now, smart, accomplished & loving, not to mention one of the funniest senses of humor on earth...one time we were talking & she asked me if we had been poor while she was growing up...we actually had been so poor that there were times that there was only enough food to feed her & none for me...when she asked that question, i realized what a good thing i had done...i believed that she should only have to deal with childhood stuff & not the adult things like financial worries...yay me!!

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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 12:48:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lilsubl

i know these voices well...at the ripe old age of 40, i found the most incredible hypnotherapist who made most of those voices become silent...from that time on, i've been very very close to my sister & i no longer hear those voices...however, there were some whose voices i neglected to deal with & those haunt me...sometimes, i am able to recall the work i did before & silence them as they occur...other days, i hear them coming from Daddy's mouth & i try to run from them by running from him...*again*...so far, he hasn't let me go, but if i can't stop this, one day he probably will & i hate the thought that someday i will really be without him in my world.....

edited to add:  i too made the decision to stop the cycle with my daughter...i think i did that fairly well, since she is a most incredible woman now, smart, accomplished & loving, not to mention one of the funniest senses of humor on earth...one time we were talking & she asked me if we had been poor while she was growing up...we actually had been so poor that there were times that there was only enough food to feed her & none for me...when she asked that question, i realized what a good thing i had done...i believed that she should only have to deal with childhood stuff & not the adult things like financial worries...yay me!!


Honey guess what..If he knows those voices and he hasn't run yet, he likely ain't gonna. Master has held me tight and awakened me gently when the nightmares take over my nights, sometimes without waking up himself. I will always hear those voices..but I know who they belong to and can fight to ignore them.

Trust me I remember those nights of going to bed hungry but happy my ums were fed, and going without new needed shoes and other things to make sure they had Christmas,  birthdays and the things they needed including money for school trips. Makes me proud to see the man he has become, and breaks my heart that his brother never got to show me and the world the brilliant man he was destined to be.

Hug em tight ladies and gents.. they are more precious than you will ever know and while they age us, they also keep us young.

poenkitten

P.S. Remind me to show you and Christine the Manatees and Gators when you come :)


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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 1:49:08 PM   
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I hate it when people have the hump with me and I haven't even met them, let alone done anything to upset them.

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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 1:51:13 PM   
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I hate it when people have the hump with me and I haven't even met them, let alone done anything to upset them.


I think I can safely say that must mean something different in British slang than it does in American slang.


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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 1:54:19 PM   
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I hate getting confused by other countries' slang also.

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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 2:12:13 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: stella41b

I hate it when people have the hump with me and I haven't even met them, let alone done anything to upset them.


I think I can safely say that must mean something different in British slang than it does in American slang.


Cali



Apologies... I hate it when someone is pissed at me and I haven't even met them, let alone done anything to upset them.

Better?

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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 2:12:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: stella41b

I hate it when people have the hump with me and I haven't even met them, let alone done anything to upset them.


I think I can safely say that must mean something different in British slang than it does in American slang.


Cali


sounds like he chucked a wobbly or spit the dummy *nodnod*

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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 2:13:10 PM   
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LOL!  I got it now. 


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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 2:21:27 PM   
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I hate it when windows boots me off, but when a Brit friend offered to toss me in the boot....hmmmm

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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 2:29:55 PM   
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I hate signing cheques, takes too long, should have switched to online banking but I don't trust it.

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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 4:27:39 PM   
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I hate that we haven't heard for Camille... has anyone? Do we know how she is doing, is the jeep being replaced, did the move and closing go through.. SOMEONE TELL ME!!!!


Poen,
i did hear from Camillie.... She's still driving (alone, but by god she's doing it!!), and is under instructions to do so slowley per her owner. And it appears she is following his directions. She appears to be good...
i miss her too.

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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 4:44:31 PM   
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thank you Kali..I worry about my gaggle of friends here ..especially when they are out of contact.

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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 4:45:15 PM   
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i understand that Poen....i really do...
Kali



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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 4:47:28 PM   
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thanks from me too, Kali, for the nws about Camille...good to know she's ok.....

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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 4:51:31 PM   
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Your welcome Linea....Glad to be of service.
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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 5:04:29 PM   
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*big hugs to Red*

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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 7:55:25 PM   
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I hate it when I find a good book I love and I can't put it down, but I have to go to bed so I can be up at 5am for work

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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 8:46:46 PM   
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Dearest poen,

Kind lady, you may never know how your words have touched my heart.  Thank you for being so open with me and the others on here who also benefit from what you have written.  I can say that the ladies on this board are some of the most remarkable and incredible people I have yet to meet face to face, but feel in my heart that I can call them friends and treasures.  I am a most lucky girl to have you wonderful women in my life, and I am truly grateful.

I was telling someone earlier that I opened up to one of my oldest and dearest friends today about what scares me and how will I be able to deal with those things.  We have been there for each other for 27 years, though often not in person, but in spirit and cards, letters, emails... but when necessary, we are right there for one another, hugging and crying through it all.  I have always respected her for her intelligence and strength and for who she is.  She and I have always stayed close, even when other friendships that seemed so much closer have faded away.  I told her part of my scary stuff, not all, but some.  I knew she was a safe person to tell, because she was able to tell me something last week that I'm sure no one else on this earth knows.  I was stunned at her pain, that she always hides away from others, and sometimes from me.  I never knew how bad things were for her last year, how intolerable her life felt for a time, and when she told me... I felt the most enormous outpouring of compassion for my dearest friend.  I wanted to hug her and cry with her.  She wasn't less of a person to me because she had frailties and times that made her feel like she couldn't last another day.  She was just my friend, who has been friends with me since we were 11 years old, the girl who sat next to me in every class we had together for 7 years.  She was someone who needed to tell me what she had told no one else, and I loved her even more for sharing her burden with me, and trusting me with that information.  I just knew that if she was that open with me, I could be that open with her, and I was.  I am glad that I told her because seeing it written out in an email to her allowed me to process a little bit more what it was that I felt. 

I know that there are voices that taunt me, but many of them are unclear, and I'm not sure who is saying what.  Part of my dilemma, for years and years, has been not knowing where the voices came from and who is saying the bad things to me.  The last conversation I had with my mother before she died, I asked her if she could remember anything happening when I was little that would've started this mean streak that has tried to defeat me all my life, and she couldn't remember anything.  I've asked my dad and he doesn't know of anything either.  I've also asked one of my sisters, to no avail.  One day, I hope to figure out who is talking to me, and maybe I'll be able to make some sense out of all the confusion and hurt feelings that I tend to bring on myself.

Thank you again, poen.  You have been a tender soul here and I am blessed.

~ Red

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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 9:32:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: auroraborealis

*big hugs to Red*

Gwyn


Big hugs back to Gwyn...

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RE: I hate it when........ - 9/29/2008 10:09:51 PM   
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I hate it when I learn that a friend's husband has passed away.  *God bless all the ones left behind*

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