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RE: The Human Race. - 3/16/2008 11:27:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking of inbreeding, has anybody else ever been to Swiss Germany, up in the glorious Alpine villages, where there have been two family names for ten generations and everybody has the same bulbous, cross-eyed gaze?

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RE: The Human Race. - 3/16/2008 11:32:03 AM   
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RE: The Human Race. - 3/16/2008 11:59:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Ever seen travelling Dutchmen on their way to a football match in England? Or French people stranded at an airport, whining about the system? Or English people in Spain, vomiting beer? How about loud Americans in delicate Venice? For fuckssake.
Canadians can be rather unpleasant as well.

Dunno if I've mentioned, but last time I travelled in Europe, it was 5 weeks in Germany, and I carried a copy of the Suddeutsche Zeitung to make sure Amis and Loonies didn't bother me. Guess it worked.

Do you know it's against the law to smile in public in Germany? Not really, but people think you are nuts.

They frown a lot. I saw one guy on a Munich train, his frown was so long, he looked like a Bulldog. Or maybe a Lingcod.   http://www.allkayakfishing.com/photo/blc.html  Serious jowls. Lingcod is delicious. Maybe I'll remember to tell the story...  

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RE: The Human Race. - 3/16/2008 11:59:49 AM   
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This is stranger than fiction.

Yeah, well reality indeed is stranger than fiction. As someone once said:  “There is more between heaven and earth than ever was dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio”.

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Have you checked out the Amish & Mennonite communities?

Nope. I know a lot, but I do not know everything.

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They have quite a few genetic diseases built up because they have a small gene pool that increases the chance that you'll carry on a genetic defect.

It does not have anything to do with the size of the gene pool. There are about how many muslims? One billion, let's say. They have about six times more congenitally defect children born to them than populations that are descended from European christians. Are you asserting that a population of one billion people amounts to a small gene pool? So the size of any population in which an excessive percentage of congenitally defect children are born is irrelevant.

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And they don't circumcise.

But they do ostracize and make outcasts of anyone that does not toe the lines of their religious tenets. For this reason they are accursed.

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In many Islamic countries, first cousins can wed, and this leads to more genetic defects.

No it does not. In fact it is an evolutionary necessity for populations that mutilate the penisses of their males to have first cousins wed, for otherwise there would be even more congenitally defective children born in their population. It is a desperate measure to lower the frequency of deleterious alleles in such populations. As I said in a previous post: the cold algorithms of the evolutionary process are inexorable, harsh and unforgiving.
(I will add to that that in theory there are hypothetical evolutionary benefits to having deleterious genes. What sucks is that such a heavy price must be paid before a population eventually reaps the awards of accumulating those deleterious alleles in their population.)

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The Jewish communities around the globe used to have small rates of intermarriage, and again a smaller gene pool.

I reiterate: the size of the gene pool is irrelevant. What matters is whether populations mutilate the penisses of their males by circumcision.

The same deleterious effects may occur by other means as referred to earlier: by indiscrimate procreation and for sociological reasons as among royalty and as among the Amish and the Mennonites.

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RE: The Human Race. - 3/16/2008 12:08:31 PM   
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So why, in this world of civilised and learned men do we still seek to classify people into types, races etc?


To maintain tradition, remember history and to justify war.

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What practical use does seeking to classify people serve ?


To maintain traditions, to remember history, to belong, to identify, to be united.

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Will we ever be any different?


For the above reasons, to question two, I hope not.

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RE: The Human Race. - 3/16/2008 12:27:30 PM   
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I reiterate: the size of the gene pool is irrelevant. What matters is whether populations mutilate the penisses of their males by circumcision.


Rule what you are suggesting goes against all commonly held scientific beliefs in terms of genetics. When looking at genetic diseases the size of the gene pool is crucial. Everyone has gaps in their genetic makeup in terms of genes that cause disease. These are usually recessive genes which lay dormant because dominant healthy genes take precedence over them. If the gene pool is small then obviously there are fewer alternatives to choose from. If you don’t believe anyone here then just do some research on the matter? Common genetic related disorders include:

Cystic Fibrosis
Haemophilia
Sickle Cell Anaemia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding

Stop this nonsense because some people will believe you.


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RE: The Human Race. - 3/16/2008 12:43:54 PM   
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Rule what you are suggesting goes against all commonly held scientific beliefs in terms of genetics.
Whatever gave you the erroneous idea that I am a commoner? Even LusciousLips knows better.
 
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When looking at genetic diseases the size of the gene pool is crucial.
No, it is not. What is crucial is how a population procreates. As I said before there are methinks plenty of small populations that have a very low rate of congenitally defective births. For example many populations of plants and animals that are on the brink of extinction.
 
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Everyone has gaps in their genetic makeup in terms of genes that cause disease. These are usually recessive genes which lay dormant because dominant healthy genes take precedence over them.
Quite.
 
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If the gene pool is small then obviously there are fewer alternatives to choose from.
But there are alternatives and that suffices to lower the frequency of congenitally defective births. So the size of the gene pool is irrelevant.
 
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If you don’t believe anyone here then just do some research on the matter? Common genetic related disorders include:
Cystic Fibrosis
Haemophilia
Sickle Cell Anaemia
Please do not bore me, FC. I conceivably know more about the mechanisms of evolution than anybody else alive. That is a consequence of being a supergenius.
 

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Stop this nonsense because some people will believe you.

Their world will never be the same again.
 
Edited to add "conceivably".

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RE: The Human Race. - 3/16/2008 12:57:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rule this is quite a contrast to the way I remember you responding to threads.

Although I do recall the conversation we had about how many types of Aliens there are so I shouldn't really be surprised.


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RE: The Human Race. - 3/16/2008 12:59:37 PM   
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Although I do recall the conversation we had about how many types of Aliens there are so I shouldn't really be surprised.



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RE: The Human Race. - 3/16/2008 1:01:30 PM   
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Rule this is quite a contrast to the way I remember you responding to threads.

How so, FC?
 
I would have asked you in a cmail on the other side, but your profile is inactive there.

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RE: The Human Race. - 3/16/2008 1:08:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I recall you being quite a logical person where if someone put across something as fact you would dispute it in a logical way giving independent sources. I don’t think any of the above is very logical and even a genius needs to be able to show his impartiality in seeking the truth to win people over in an argument.

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RE: The Human Race. - 3/16/2008 1:24:19 PM   
Rule


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I recall you being quite a logical person where if someone put across something as fact you would dispute it in a logical way giving independent sources.

Thank you, FC.

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I don’t think any of the above is very logical and even a genius needs to be able to show his impartiality in seeking the truth to win people over in an argument.

Some things I can be open about. Other subjects I am not prepared to show the back of my tongue, especially when I intend to publicize about them. In those latter cases I may present my conclusions and hope that some others will have faith in my reputation.

Various pertinent assertions that I have made in this thread - more than I was intending to do - cannot be contested. Some will fill in the gaps and be the richer for it; others will not and will be the poorer for it.

Also: sometimes it is more important not to be taken seriously and to be dismissed even when one is serious.

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RE: The Human Race. - 3/17/2008 3:09:30 AM   
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I've stated I've been to Dachau and Wannsee, and described my reactions. Let's just say that I'm a man of Peace, but if any shit-sucker tries to deny the Shoah to my face, there will be violence
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So if I don't buy into a 3000 year old claim to property which, according to their own books, was obtained through conquest and genocide, I'm a racist?


Two different posters demonstrate exactly  the problem re in this case Israel
Tho' unspoken in the quote if you criticize Israel you are most probably a holocaust denier.
or
If you point out certain negative  facts about Black communities you must be a KKK night rider in favour of lynching.


Yes; it is a perplexing problem.
 
I believe the course of action needed to changing the perspective of both sides is the same.
 
The problem will start to resolve it’s self, when people learn to see the common ground they share with others, and learn to appreciate that which they do not share.
 
*Waits with baited breath*… (this, of course, is a complete dramatization)
 
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RE: The Human Race. - 3/17/2008 3:52:28 AM   
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Let us hold hands and pray that a dike or two gives way, and the water seeks the worms out.


It is favorable to remember; even worms have purpose.
 
Edited for quoting the wrong post.... ugh
 
I think I'm tired.

k 

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RE: The Human Race. - 3/17/2008 4:22:36 AM   
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Equality is, point blank. There is no measuring "equality in terms of worth".


You're right. I completely miss-stated my point previously.
Apparently I was pulling that thought out of left field, (otherwise known as my ass), as it doesn't even say anything toward what I was thinking.
 
(Ya can't get thera from he'a.)
 
What I meant to say is; I don’t think it is wise to even consider the different races as equal. The terminology causes conflict; some focus on “equal”, others, “different”. It would be more favorable to present a undeniable equality, such as “human rights”.
 
My apologies for sharing my momentary laps of reason. However, I would be lying if I promised it will never happen again; I confuse myself often.
 
I forgot to mention: Besides, while some traditions are rather unfavorable, there are just as many that I consider intrigueing, and are favorable.
 
k

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