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RE: differences in slave titles - 9/28/2005 8:06:12 AM   
worshipmoons


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ORIGINAL: IronBear




Actually teapaw, in the Gorean books you will find a whole variety of labels for slaves, usually designating the primary job. A kettle slave is one who usually handles kettles and pots (Domestic or kitchen hand if you will), A bath girl would be found in the public baths and were there to attend the Frees who came to bath. Their duties included massage. A coin girl was one who was available for hire for sexual reasons for a coin. A paga slave was a girl serving in a page den or paga hall (think of a bar girl/waitress). A pleasure slave was bread and trained in the arts of pleasuring her Master. Some say they were the most valuable of all. I may add here that a Gorean slave in the books was never permitted to candle coins but would have the coin either placed in a pocked sewn into her tunic or placed in her mouth.

However labels for sub/slaves are not particularly unique to Gor. I surmise that suitable labels were around for as long as slaves has been. I tend to use the ones I mentioned in an earlier post such as a personal slave, a house slave or a kettle slave. However if I had a slave whose primary task was to look after the car and drive me about I’d find some amusing label for her as it suited me. I suppose I could call her a borsk wagon slave but I’d need to work out the ratio between borsk power and horse power for a car. If I had a slave who was also my bodyguard or similar I’d probably refer to her as my slave sleen (you need to read and understand about sleens to see why). I guess that each slave owner may well use personalised labels if they desire.





Fascinating....all so very fascinating. I have heard of Gorean before and some of the labels though I did not realise there were so many. I will have to read more about Gorean.
I throughly enjoy the thought of each Master giving his/her own slave a label. Kind of like Pet myself, though it has never been used before on me. I wonder what a sexual, house cleaning, body gaurd would be...
kettle borsk wagon pleasure slave?? or shorten it to Ketoragsure Slave **giggles**


Seriously though, thank you for the information.......I am sure others are enjoying it also.

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RE: differences in slave titles - 9/28/2005 8:29:06 AM   
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Oh sure there is loads of them all the slave types, castes cities and contrie and ereas and pepole can make your head spin, the complexity is one of the better part of the books.

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RE: differences in slave titles - 9/28/2005 8:49:09 AM   
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This is a great topic....I have always wondered about the use of different terms for slaves.
I am assuming there is no real "list" of non Gorean slave terms though I would love to hear what other people use.

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RE: differences in slave titles - 9/28/2005 8:57:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pettingdragons

This is a great topic....I have always wondered about the use of different terms for slaves.
I am assuming there is no real "list" of non Gorean slave terms though I would love to hear what other people use.

pd



On some of the Sites like Central Fire you may find some listings, I'm not sure. Hoqwever a read through the Gor bokks would allow you to like all the "Official" types of slaves.


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RE: differences in slave titles - 9/28/2005 9:22:16 AM   
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And once you get past all the titles and names we like to call ourselves, go check out the flagging lists, THAT's a lot to memorize.

I've been known to be called a Navigatrix :)

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RE: differences in slave titles - 9/28/2005 10:32:26 AM   
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My Master lovingly call me his mage slave even if i am a submissive, he also call me his little troll.

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RE: differences in slave titles - 9/29/2005 9:01:12 AM   
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House slave? You mean I could have such a thing as a domestic slave to work in the house and not feel obligated to have sex with her? What a wonderful concept.... If that's what that means.

I have often wished I could find such a slave... to live here as "kinky roomie/ house slave" to help out in the pressures of My life. I have so much on My shoulders that cooking, cleaning, washing, folding, and shuttling My child to football, cub scouts, and such is sometimes more than the old camel's back can bear.

God that would be wonderful! Anyone knowing of such a slave willing to serve without having sex with Me.... please do give her My email addy? lol



Hello RainGod,
Yes, there are men and women like this. I've met several people who consider themselves as service slaves that do not scene or have sex with their Masters.
If you really do seek this and think it's a great idea I'd like to know why adding sex into the mix wouldn't be a benefit rather than a hinderance for you though?
Sincerely,
sub suzanne

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RE: differences in slave titles - 9/29/2005 1:12:02 PM   
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Wow.. I learn something new everyday...

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RE: differences in slave titles - 9/30/2005 2:26:44 PM   
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Hello RainGod,
Yes, there are men and women like this. I've met several people who consider themselves as service slaves that do not scene or have sex with their Masters.
If you really do seek this and think it's a great idea I'd like to know why adding sex into the mix wouldn't be a benefit rather than a hinderance for you though?
Sincerely,
sub suzanne


Not at all a hinderance, suzanne, but it just occurs to Me maybe a relationship that begins as platonic might be a wonderful alternative to what I have sought so long without success it would seem. Sex would be a wonderful bonus, but wouldn't it be hot to allow it to grow slowly over a period of time?

Maybe it's just another one of My hair-brained ideas... But I also recognize that although I am not Brad Pitt or George Clooney, maybe there exists a slave out there someplace who would recognize Me for the good Man who needs some help domesticly...and would want to be there for Me. At this juncture in My life, I think I crave a helpmate and companion more than sexual escapades. God, am I getting old???

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RE: differences in slave titles - 9/30/2005 4:31:18 PM   
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One kettle slave (for domestic duties) ~ kajira.

One labour slave (for outside work) ~ kajirus.


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RE: differences in slave titles - 10/4/2005 7:14:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Picks up a quill and without splattering ink, carefulkly adds to slave vacencies for Home..

One kettle slave (for domestic duties) ~ kajira.

One labour slave (for outside work) ~ kajirus.



Does that mean you are looking for these types of slaves?

wm


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RE: differences in slave titles - 10/4/2005 3:28:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: worshipmoons

Is there a difference in House slaves vs Other slaves? Does one have sex with them or is that all in the arrangement agreed upon in the begining? What happens when a slave drops from a Reg slave to a house slave? DO the first agreement still apply?

I was just curous because i have read many posts that use different terms for slaves and their *jobs* in the household.

pamela


I think that all depends on the type of model the owner has for having multiple slaves. There's been a lot of talk about the gorean model but there are english models for having a multi-servant household all overseen by the majordomo or butler. Then there are other models that I'm just not remembering. Or the dominant could be making up their own model based on their preferences and such. So I wouldn't assume that moving from house slave to another position means that you are being dropped. The titles and hierarchy is highly personal.

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RE: differences in slave titles - 10/4/2005 5:31:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: worshipmoons


quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

Picks up a quill and without splattering ink, carefulkly adds to slave vacencies for Home..

One kettle slave (for domestic duties) ~ kajira.

One labour slave (for outside work) ~ kajirus.



Does that mean you are looking for these types of slaves?

wm





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Hi wm,

You offering??????

Let's say two such slaves would not go amiss. There is much I am unable to do to my satisfaction these days. I'd rather have slaves in a collar do it that have local help groups assist us in getting them done at time.

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RE: differences in slave titles - 10/4/2005 5:47:14 PM   
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Glad you find it funny.

YES there are such willing women to serve as House Slaves.

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RE: differences in slave titles - 10/4/2005 5:50:01 PM   
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Thank you. Correct you are.

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ORIGINAL: Vancouver_cinful

I think we are getting into this one size fits all mentality, again. There are no rule books that apply to ALL M/s relationships. There are individual agreements and even written contracts that are adapted to fit...but no Community Endorsed Rule Book.

I could call myself an apartment slave or a car slave or a whatever-slave...the bottom line is the rules need to be set up between me and the person I am "slave" to. No one else need have any say in it.

Cin


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RE: differences in slave titles - 10/4/2005 5:53:34 PM   
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Iron, I enjoy Your posts. I believe that You and my own Master think a bit a like.
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

quote:

ORIGINAL: nephandi

What aboute guests? i am trying not to sound like a pervert here but it hit me, how common is it that House slaves are open for sexual use by guests?


Theyr'e kajirea. They bed who they are told to.

Realistically if I have a trik who loves being screwed by what ever swinging dick nearest to her, she is most likely to be the choice .. "House Whore" y'know. At a gathering if the triks are nakid to the waist, all bare flesh is available for touching By other Frees. If sex is going to be involved that safe sex is used or the dog will be having aditional sausages for a treat (still attached or detached). End of the day I am responsibile for the well being of all in my home and we do life in a Western Country on Earth not in the Middle East or S/e Asia or even S/America and certainly not on Gor.

However I am NOT a Brothel Keeper (Buggers wont give me a licence to open "The Fancy Fadu" (fadu = Gorean for C**t).. I cant even afford to open a Gorean styled "Cyote Ugly" bar....


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RE: differences in slave titles - 10/4/2005 6:01:41 PM   
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This is NOT an attempt to convence anyone to believe or do the way I do. This is my way, and I really don't care if you agree or not. You have the right to believe what ever you want... just as I have that right.

The following is the DARKSIDE FAMILY way. You may use what you like and ignore what you don't like. Unless, of course, you intend to live in my family. If that's the case, these ARE your ways, like them or not.

1) I am a Master, not a dominant. Although I do dominate. I have been the way I am for more years than most of you have been alive, around 40 or so, that doesn't mean I know it all, but it does mean that most of you have little to "teach" me. I have met many dominants, and though I have several dom friends, I don't really care for their way. However, in truth, there are many similarities. Now don't even get me started about the mythical domme.
2) You can not train to be a Master, nor can you learn to be one. You are born with it in you or not. You can however, if it's in you, sharpen your skills, knowledge, and technique, by studying other Masters or trial and error. I used both methods, I watched my father, who was a Master, and I have tried many new things myself, some I kept, some I didn't.
3) A Master may have as many slaves as he can handle...financially, physically, and emotionally.
4) There are five kinds of slaves: love, passion, house, kettle, and novice. (A short discription of the five) LOVE: Within each family unit (A Master, His slaves, and children) there can be only one love slave, but there doesn't have to be one. If there is, she is the #1 slave. She speaks within the unit for the Master when He is away. She can be given whatever authority over the other slaves as the Master chooses. There can be as many of the other type slaves as the Master wishes and can handle. NOVICE: When a slave joins the unit she is in this group until placed elsewhere, no matter how long she has been a slave. This is where each slave begins to learn what her Master expects from her. HOUSE: This is the most general type of slave. This is the category that most slaves are placed in after the novice period. It is this category where a slave proves herself to her Master. PLEASURE: This is the category a slave is placed when she has learned to well please her Master sexually and/or mentally. KETTLE: Often referred to as kitchen slave. A slave is placed in this category if she is worthy of no other but is still slave. This is the lowest form of slave. A slave from any other category may be placed here if she displeases her Master enough. If a slave is in this category she is basically at the mercy of any slave in the unit that is not and is given the tasks that no one wants. (A slaves category can change at any time as the Master wishes.)
5) Every slave is different and thus in some ways must be handled differently. There is no fair or equal way of dealing with a slave in My house, only My way. A slave has three choices in My family, #1- Obey me without question #2- Disobey and be punished #3- Leave. Of course a slave may be released at any time her Master wishes, for what ever reason He chooses.
6) Pain is a part of my way, although some slaves are more responsive to it. There is a big difference between play pain and punishment, and physical pain is not the only form of punishment, but is a part of the process. There is a designated tool for punishment and it is NEVER used in play.
7) I have a very relaxed and informal code of conduct in my family, most of the time. This code is different for My slaves on line time, their life with me is NOT an easy one, so I let them have fun on line...within reason, and the line they have to cross to be in trouble is defined by ME, not anyone else. There are times in real life that the intensity and formality increase drastically. A slave in My family learns how to recognize these times, usually without being told, or is punished. When a slave is punished she usually has no doubt why and knows she deserves it. However, sometimes, but not too often, even a good slave is punished just to remind her she is slave. There are times, although rare, when one slave can cause all the slaves in the family unit to be punished. This inspires all the slaves to try and help the others to be good.
8) If slaves in the unit argue or disagree they handle it between themselves. If unable or unwilling to do this, they take it to the love slave, if one is in the family. If this doesn't settle it, then the problem is brought to the Master, although the Master will usually agree with the love slave. Arguments between any slave and the love slave are usually dealt with VERY severely by the Master. The love slave will be dealt with by her Master if she abuses this. Kettle slaves have very little chance of winning an arguement with any slave not in that category.
9) There are times when slaves must work outside of the home. When they do, they are not to allow themselves to be treated any differently than any free person by others. The slaves in My family are slave only to me.
10) Everyone, Master and slave, will make their contribution to the betterment of the family unit. Any slave that is unwilling to do this will be punished and probably released.
11) A true Master loves each of His slaves, though much like a parent to their children, each is loved differently.
12) A slave is to strive to please her Master in all ways at all times.
13) There are many slave positions that I have chosen for my slaves to learn. These may change or be added to whenever I see fit. It is unlikely that any slave will be required to memorize all the positions, but each will be given some that she must be able to assume at anytime, when directed to by her Master. Some of the positions will be identical with the positions of the other slaves within the family unit, while some may be different. The number of memorized positions can be different for each slave. The memorized positions may also be changed or modified by the Master at any time. If anyone is interested in seeing some of the slave positions that I use for my slaves, just ask. If I consider the request an honest search for knowledge or ideas, I will be glad to send photos.
14) If there are things that a slave cannot or will not do, these are designated in the beggining and if agreed upon are always avoided.
15) In pain play, I do have safe words. Each of my slaves have words that mean back off the intensity a bit, and a word that means stop. Abuse of these words can cause a slave to be released, but lack of these words just seems stupid to me.
16) As I stated in the beggining, My way is My way, like it or not. If you disagree, fine, I'll respect your feelings as long as you respect mine. If you still have questions, by all means, ask. But if you want a respectful answer, show respect in the question.
17) There are four things that mean a great deal to me. RESPECT.....HONOR.....LOYALTY.....TRUTH.
I believe that without these there is no love or happiness......and isn't one or both of these what everyone wants.




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ORIGINAL: teapaw

So the different labels for the differnet slaves are Gorean? Or are their other thigns as well that make the difference?


Just because inquiring minds want to know





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RE: differences in slave titles - 10/5/2005 6:08:39 AM   
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Well, I'm a Dominant that owns mutipul slaves. I don't ID as Gorean though I have researched the lifestyle and visit the "local" gatherings from time to time and find the way they run a house attractive. I've also researched consentual slavery and contract slavery and implement all of these as I see fit. To me a title is what the two parties can agree on. For instance: I have a financial slave that lives in the home and provides to it; a submissive/slave that works part time outside of the home and does domestic duties; and a pet that does not live in the home that I see occasionally. Funny thing is, I have three and I still seek/need one more that'll be my personal assistant. I guess one can say I'm a very social creature.

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RE: differences in slave titles - 10/5/2005 7:08:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear


quote:

ORIGINAL: worshipmoons


quote:

ORIGINAL: IronBear

Picks up a quill and without splattering ink, carefulkly adds to slave vacencies for Home..

One kettle slave (for domestic duties) ~ kajira.

One labour slave (for outside work) ~ kajirus.



Does that mean you are looking for these types of slaves?

wm





~ Hige Chuckle ~

Hi wm,

You offering??????

Let's say two such slaves would not go amiss. There is much I am unable to do to my satisfaction these days. I'd rather have slaves in a collar do it that have local help groups assist us in getting them done at time.



The thought would be apealing though I doubt I would be able to preform such duties....:(


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RE: differences in slave titles - 10/5/2005 7:11:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Passion357

My Info:

Name: Darkside

Email: [email protected]


~~~my Master wrote this to answer Questions He and I were getting from Yahoo and AOL.~~~

This is NOT an attempt to convence anyone to believe or do the way I do. This is my way, and I really don't care if you agree or not. You have the right to believe what ever you want... just as I have that right.

The following is the DARKSIDE FAMILY way. You may use what you like and ignore what you don't like. Unless, of course, you intend to live in my family. If that's the case, these ARE your ways, like them or not.




Do your slaves work side of the home? or you are wealthy enough to support them all, medical, dental, trips to visit their families etc...

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