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Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 3:34:37 PM

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080318/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_guns;_ylt=AkjZl1CtCggmrqKdhgDgYoRI2ocA

Looks like the majority of the Supreme court pretty much has made up its mind that citizens are entitled to own gun. They will probably impose some restrictions (based upon US v Miller, 1939). But total ownership of a type of gun allowed will probably not happen.

RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 3:40:47 PM

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I've always felt that anyone who needs the 2nd Amendment "Interpreted" for them is feeble-minded and mentally incompetent.

The default option is: Freedom and Liberty.

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 3:47:56 PM

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Looks like the majority of the Supreme court pretty much has made up its mind that citizens are entitled to own gun.

It's called the Second Amendment. It's nice, though, that all the top judges got together in a cluster-fuck and decided that US citizens are entitled to what they are guaranteed. And it's such a momunental decision as to make it news of the day! Yippee! That puts my mind to rest.

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 3:58:29 PM

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Guns are good. I support a nearly unregulated right to keep and bear arms. I trust the vast majority of my neighbors.

Two categories of people I don't trust: criminals and politicians that want to take away, or significantly regulate, the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Those are precisely the two groups that shouldn't be the only folks with guns.

Personally, I think it should be an obligation of citizenship to keep and bear arms. I would make exceptions for those maintaining a pacificist creed.

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 4:26:08 PM

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The far-left has tried for decades to twist the meaning of that amendment. It is the one part of the constitution they hate with a passion.

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 4:30:40 PM

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I personally agree with all the above. I keep 2 weapons within reach of my desk all the time.

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 4:33:48 PM

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Guns are good. I support a nearly unregulated right to keep and bear arms. I trust the vast majority of my neighbors.

Two categories of people I don't trust: criminals and politicians that want to take away, or significantly regulate, the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Those are precisely the two groups that shouldn't be the only folks with guns.

Personally, I think it should be an obligation of citizenship to keep and bear arms. I would make exceptions for those maintaining a pacificist creed.

That works for me.

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 4:49:41 PM

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The far-left has tried for decades to twist the meaning of that amendment. It is the one part of the constitution they hate with a passion.

I think it's possible I am the most "left" person on these boards.

So, in a word: wrong!

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 5:40:03 PM

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Looks like the majority of the Supreme court pretty much has made up its mind that citizens are entitled to own gun.

It's called the Second Amendment. It's nice, though, that all the top judges got together in a cluster-fuck and decided that US citizens are entitled to what they are guaranteed. And it's such a momunental decision as to make it news of the day! Yippee! That puts my mind to rest.

what they are really saying is that they are going to slowly take our guns away by stages over the next xyz years. Note:

Solicitor General Paul Clement, the Bush administration's top Supreme Court lawyer, supported the individual right but urged the justices not to decide the other question. Instead, Clement said the court should say that governments may impose reasonable restrictions, including federal laws that ban certain types of weapons.

There is not reasonable restriction clause in the constitution! These fuckers are goingt o once again re-write the constitution and the idiots of this country will go duh ok!

Not oly do we have the right to own but we also have the right to BEAR those guns. That means strap them to our hips and waltz around on any public grounds with them. (techinically)

Somewhere in that mess they talk about the governemtn having the right and the government have NO RIGHTS!

Remember the patriot act? "reasonable search and seizure"? Became bush thought it was reasonable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 6:16:11 PM

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When will lawmakers realize criminals do not obtain guns legally so preventing people from legally owning guns does nothing to lower the crime rate. And actually the cash for guns programs make me ill, they give the people turning in these "dangerous weapons" next to nothing for them whereas if they sold the same item back to a gun shop they'd get a much better price and it wouldn't come out of taxpayers coffers.

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 6:17:32 PM

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I think it's possible I am the most "left" person on these boards.

Hmmmmm... that merits reflexion.... hmmmm...

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 6:36:59 PM

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Hey, I qualified it.

But let's go, Baby! Mano a mano. Thunderdome.

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 6:51:19 PM

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The far-left has tried for decades to twist the meaning of that amendment. It is the one part of the constitution they hate with a passion.

I think it's possible I am the most "left" person on these boards.

So, in a word: wrong!

Churro, "Owner59" will be crushed.

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 6:53:55 PM

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Unlike the UK, if USA gets raided, civilians will be able to fight without the need of sword and sorcery!

Pfft :P Learn the ways of magic like us druids of the spiritland lol.

On a serious note, too many killings happen for me to think people handling guns without being in the military is a good idea.

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 6:57:37 PM

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Hey, "Right to bear arms" includes a good axe, in addition to a lever gun.

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 6:59:30 PM

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I would be for gun control if I could be assured of the fact that the people I least want having guns would be controlled.

I very much doubt this is the case.

Ergo, I am for pretty much unrestricted gun ownership. What interests me, however, is how few genuinely empirical studies have been done on the resultant crime and violence rates in various situations of gun ownership (or lack thereof)...

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 7:16:03 PM

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Hey where did all the anti gun people go? You would think they would be screaming like crazy

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 7:18:39 PM

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When will lawmakers realize criminals do not obtain guns legally so preventing people from legally owning guns does nothing to lower the crime rate. And actually the cash for guns programs make me ill, they give the people turning in these "dangerous weapons" next to nothing for them whereas if they sold the same item back to a gun shop they'd get a much better price and it wouldn't come out of taxpayers coffers.

I love those programs!!! I got a Mosin-Nagan for 89$ bucks and got a 100$ gift certificate for turning it in!!!
Those programs rock!

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 7:35:54 PM

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where did all the anti gun people go?

Shopping for Kevlar.

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RE: Supreme Court Looks at Gun Ownership - 3/18/2008 8:04:43 PM

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I'm quite liberal, too. But I believe strongly in the Constitution and how it was meant when written down. We are the "People". We have the right, and the reason was so that we could protect ourselves from not just foreign enemies but our own damned government. The purpose was to ensure that we did not have to fear our own government as much as anything. A government that fears its population is far better than a citizenry that fears its government.

"When guns are outlawed, only criminals will own guns." I will be one of those criminals come that day.

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