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SugarMyChurro -> RE: HPV (3/19/2008 5:01:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressPav
There's 2 types of Herpes:  Type I and Type II.   Type II is what causes cold sores and according to my doctor 6 weeks ago, he says 70% of the population either has or has been exposed to Type II Herpes.  Type I is the nasty genital one.


Yeah, that's not correct. You have it turned around.

Type I is what causes cold sores. 90% of the adult population has it or carries it by age 60.  Type II is the nasty genital one.

The other thread I linked to has more stuff I got off the web.




Sunnyfey -> RE: HPV (3/19/2008 5:38:07 PM)

See I hate the stigma associated with HSV2 (aka genital herpes) 2 very dear friends of mine have hsv2 and have had it for a long time now. These people arnt "nasty" or "bad" or "disgusting". Infact both of these people have been friends to me since like grade school. Really its JUST a skin disease. You know that cold sore you get and it goes away in a few days. You know if your going down on your girl and you have one its possible to spred that to her? Its JUST a skin thing...god. It pops up for a day or a week, and yeah thats painfull and then goes away a few days later...OR SOME PEOPLE NEVER EVER GET AN OUTBREAK.




defiantbadgirl -> RE: HPV (3/19/2008 5:57:57 PM)

Oral and genital herpes can BOTH infect either area and are spread by oral sex. I'm still trying to figure out how only 25% have genital herpes. Does that mean only 25% of the population have oral sex?




Sunnyfey -> RE: HPV (3/19/2008 6:11:58 PM)

sweetheart I suspect it ALOT more then 25%...that 25% of the population KNOWS they have it....think of all those people who NEVER get an outbreak and still have it? You cant get tested for it UNTILL you have an outbreak....So...scary...yeah I bet its alot more then 25%




MissAngelandsub -> RE: HPV (3/19/2008 6:27:42 PM)

Well, my husband has cold sores and I never let him do oral on me when he gets one which isn't very often. And I think I might have cold sores now as well because I kissed him when he had one and not long after I had a sore pop up. But I don't think cold sores are that big of a deal my mom gets them as well so I don't consider that as nasty and I wouldn't think people with gential herpes is nasty either. Its not there fault they have it just like the people with all the other stds its not really there fault and you shouldn't think of them as nasty they made a mistake and got an std most are cureable or treatable and most people that have them you can't tell by looking at them that they have anything. Think about all the other sicknesses there are out there that we can give each other but yet they have no stigmas associated with them. Why is that?




defiantbadgirl -> RE: HPV (3/19/2008 8:06:46 PM)

Actually, it's not even  necessary to have oral sex or sexual intercourse to contract HSV- 2.  All you have to do kiss or share a fountain drink with someone who has recently engaged in oral sex with a person who has genital herpes. HSV-2 can be spread through a drinking straw. In that case, even a virgin can contract the virus.




SugarMyChurro -> RE: HPV (3/19/2008 8:38:49 PM)

Drinking straw? Not likely...

But herpes does transmit even when there is no outbreak. It's called viral shedding and there is no way to know it's happening.

But I do think you need to make physical contact with the person with the virus. A virus doesn't survive that well outside the host.




defiantbadgirl -> RE: HPV (3/19/2008 9:07:41 PM)

What about open mouth kissing?




SinergyNstrumpet -> RE: HPV (3/19/2008 10:02:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sunnyfey

sweetheart I suspect it ALOT more then 25%...that 25% of the population KNOWS they have it....think of all those people who NEVER get an outbreak and still have it? You cant get tested for it UNTILL you have an outbreak....So...scary...yeah I bet its alot more then 25%


According to a link posted by DomKen in off topic

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By comparison, HSV-2 is widely believed to be a painful, dangerous infection that affects only people with very active sex lives. The reality? Some 22% of adult Americans from all backgrounds, income levels, and ethnic groups have HSV-2. Like HSV-1, type 2 is usually mild-so mild that two- thirds of infected people don't even know they have it. Type 2 rarely causes complications or spreads to other parts of the body. It is the most common cause of neonatal herpes, a rare but dangerous infection in newborns; however, type 1 causes up to one-third of neonatal infections.


and another portion of the page

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From here, however, the question of transmissibility gets more complicated. Acquisition of one type is more difficult-though certainly possible-if you already have the other type. This is because either type, contracted orally or genitally, causes the body to produce antibodies, some of which are active against both HSV-1 and 2. This acquired immune response gives some limited protection if the body encounters a second type. When a person with a prior HSV infection does contract the second type, the first episode tends to be less severe than when no prior antibodies are present. On a practical level, this means oral HSV-1 is often the most easily acquired herpes infection. Usually the first herpes simplex virus that people encounter, oral HSV-1, is typically spread simply by the kind of social kiss that a relative gives a child. Because children have no prior infection with any HSV type, they have no immune defense against the virus. By the time they're teenagers or young adults, about 50% of Americans have HSV-1 antibodies in their blood. By the time they are over age 50, some 80-90% of Americans have HSV-1 antibodies. By comparison, almost all HSV-2 is encountered after childhood, when people become sexually active. Those who have a prior infection with HSV-1 have an acquired immune response that lowers - though certainly doesn't eliminate-the risk of acquiring HSV-2. According to one study (Mertz, Annals of Internal Medicine,1992), previous oral HSV-1 infection reduces the acquisition of subsequent HSV-2 infection by 40%.


So basically there are far fewer people with HSVII because most people acquire partial immunity by getting HSVI first when they are children



julia




AquaticSub -> RE: HPV (3/19/2008 10:03:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

Oral and genital herpes can BOTH infect either area and are spread by oral sex. I'm still trying to figure out how only 25% have genital herpes. Does that mean only 25% of the population have oral sex?


It's probably more than that. You could always call a Planned Parenthood to get the recent numbers and most recent information about STIs, how they are spread and how to prevent them.




SugarMyChurro -> RE: HPV (3/19/2008 10:32:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl
What about open mouth kissing?


Is this going to be a saliva argument?

Saliva on a straw - theoretically yes, but most likely no.

Open mouth kissing - of course, but by no means a certainty. The virus has to be active.




whipkicksmai -> RE: HPV (3/20/2008 3:29:34 AM)

Did you know that chicken pox is a form of herpes and hence why a lot of people break out in coldsores, because once it's in your system it can lie dormant for ages.







lusciouslips19 -> RE: HPV (3/20/2008 3:38:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: whipkicksmai

Did you know that chicken pox is a form of herpes and hence why a lot of people break out in coldsores, because once it's in your system it can lie dormant for ages




Yes I did. But chickenpox does not cause coldsores if it is reactivated. If reacivated chickenpox causes shingles. A painful condition that affects the ganglia in the nervous system. Another form of herpes is the Epstien Barr virus. Otherwise known as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.




MadameCris -> RE: HPV (3/20/2008 4:16:59 PM)

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Shocking stastics and another good reason to opt out of casual play as a rule.
Thank you so much for your wonderfully informative post.




Rule -> RE: HPV (3/20/2008 5:10:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: masamichi
i should point out that HPV and HSV are two different diseases. both of these diseases are extremely common and while they can interupt your life sometimes i dont consider either to be a big deal.

You are very much wrong, at least as regards herpes virusses. There are hardly any virusses that are more destructive and ultimately deadly than the seemingly innocuous herpes virusses.




Mercnbeth -> RE: HPV (3/21/2008 8:16:57 AM)

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Cervical cancer. The American Cancer Society estimates that in 2008, 11,070 women will be diagnosed with cervical cancer in the U.S. 

 
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Cervical Cancer Vaccine
The cervical cancer vaccine that is now available does NOT protect against the type of cancer linked to DES exposure, clear cell adenocarcinoma (CCA) of the cervix and vagina. It provides protection against the more common type of cervical cancer that is caused by the Human Papilloma Virus (HPV).
http://www.desaction.org/cervical_cancer_vaccine_FAQs.htm




lusciouslips19 -> RE: HPV (3/21/2008 12:40:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: masamichi
i should point out that HPV and HSV are two different diseases. both of these diseases are extremely common and while they can interupt your life sometimes i dont consider either to be a big deal.

You are very much wrong, at least as regards herpes virusses. There are hardly any virusses that are more destructive and ultimately deadly than the seemingly innocuous herpes virusses.


Well I would not be inclined to believe someone who talks about aliens or thinks that congenital defects are due to circumsicion and not chromosomes.




BabyDollVanIsle -> RE: HPV (3/21/2008 5:34:54 PM)

at this point, Herpes I and II are interchangeable in terms of genital or mouth location.

imo, worrying about Herpes or HPV is like panicking about getting the common cold.

except for the increased cancer risk from HPV which can be screened for, they disrupt you life about the same. actually yes.. few people have to miss work for a Herpes outbreak, many people take days off of work for a bad cold.

even if you get painful sores from Herpes, future outbreaks get less and less painful and further apart in time. sometimes even the first occurance is only mildly painful and not a big deal.

and YES.. i speak from personal experiece. about 10 to 12 years ago I had a lover with a cold sore, who 'forgot' and we engaged in oral sex. an annoyance, but at this point in my life i only get an 'outbreak' (which is really minor in inconvenience) about every 2 years, and lasts less than a week. and i have never given it to a partner.

i always disclose it when a relationship gets serious, and have never had a partner reject me for it..

not that i like disclosing personal information of this nature, but anything to help dispell the aura of fear that surrounds herpes and help create a more realistic attitude.




chelgirl -> RE: HPV (3/22/2008 9:51:55 AM)

Actually the Herpes virus is in more than 2 forms. There are 8 forms of the herpes virus family that can infect humans.  Sexually transmitted you have the Simplex (1) and then type 2.  Type 1 can be transmitted through sexual contact as well.  You can end up with a cold sore on your gential regions, in your throat, and so on and so forth.  So if you have a sore on your mouth, consider not playing in that way or using a dental dam. 

HPV is also in many forms and strains.  I remember when I was diagnosed with dysplasia and they said that it was caused by sexual contact.  I still worry about it even though I was treated and have not had an abnormal screening since.  I need to do some more research about it. 

I am not sure where I stand on the vaccine.  It is still new.  Also, only women in a certain age range are eligible for it.  If it does in fact prevent cervical cancer then it is a good thing.  Mostly though my concerns are that it gives women a false sense of security that it is okay to not use protection. 

STI/STDs are scary things and very common.  Herpes can be transmitted even if a condom is worn if the sores are in areas taht the condom does not cover. 

HPV is not only genital warts. There are other symptoms as well depending on which strain of the virus you have.

Respectifully,
chelgrrl
quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressPav

Once you get HPV, you will always have it.  Whether or not it will actually break you out in warts is another issue.  Some people are just "carriers".

There's 2 types of Herpes:  Type I and Type II.   Type II is what causes cold sores and according to my doctor 6 weeks ago, he says 70% of the population either has or has been exposed to Type II Herpes.  Type I is the nasty genital one.

Do y'all get your yearly physicals? Do you have your blood drawn and tested? You should because not only can they check you for all of the STD's at one time, they'll be able to tell you your macro nutrient content as well and that is valuable information to have on your quest to balance out your diet and stuff.





Fwholuvs2listen -> RE: HPV (3/31/2008 3:25:09 AM)

Great thread everyone, I'm glad to have healthy discussion about this virus in the forums. I believe I contracted hsv-1 genitally at 19 and in 8 years have had no recurrences nor passed it on. I also inform all my potential partners about the condition and a few years ago started suppressing it just as an extra form of protection, though my general practitioner says this is unnecessary because I just as likely could have contracted hsv-1 orally from my aunt or something when I was a child.  I continue to be surprised at how many carriers of hsv-1 or hsv-2 do not suppress or inform partners about this condition, and the ignorance and paranoia that surrounds the presentation of the herpes virus itself.




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