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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 5:27:16 PM   
Prinsexx


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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

Prin - you need to look up the definition of "co-dependent" and take heed.
I know, I have been there - and you can't fix someone else!  You can only fix you.

i know about co-dependency.
for others.
and you are right.
this was just a sad intense microcosm of it and i was thrown by him not wanting me to be his carer.




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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 5:27:43 PM   
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Prin - you need to look up the definition of "co-dependent" and take heed.
I know, I have been there - and you can't fix someone else!  You can only fix you.
I am fully with kiwisub12 on this.
You can fix yourself, but no one else. They have to realize there is an issue and take action. Even then you have no guarantee unless there is some support network for him, or you, to help you recover. Recovery is a process and does not happen over night. It takes work, and a lot of it.
Warm wishes, hugs if you'll accept them, and understanding.
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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 5:33:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

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This is what happened on the outside:
He asked me to go over to his place and asked how long could I stay. He asked; can you stay until 6 ish? THEN as it was a public holiday the tube (metro) trains were fucked up. I was all snuggled up and I asked if I could stay. He just looked like I was well nuthin buta piece of furniture and said no.




This_is_how_I_see_it:
he_set_a_boundary_with_you:
(Stay_til_6-ish)
You_might_have_approached_him_when_you_realised_the
metro_schedule_was_screwed_up_but_you_didn't_I_don't_think...

You_waited_until_it_was_close_to_the_time_when_it_was_time_to
leave_all_snuggled_in_and_then_asked.
He_might_have_seen_that_as_a_it_manipulative...

You_have_an_issue_with_feelings_of_abandonment.

So,_in_my_opinion_there_are_one_of_2_things_going_on_here...
neither_of_which_are_on_him
Either
A)You_chose_someone_who_is_"emotionally_unavailable".
Or
B)Your_woundedness_is_making_you_hyper-sensitive.

Find_a_therapist_and_work_on_it
you_can't_fix_yourself...and_you_are_creating_your_own_emotional
hell_by_staying_in_these_repeating_patterns.

If_this_sounds_"mean"_I_am_sorry_as_that
is_not_my_intent...
I_care_about_you.
*hugs*



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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 5:46:18 PM   
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Prin, I have nothing but compassion for the suffering you are going through. I'm sure that each of us here has fucked up at least once - in some cases many times, and in my case very badly. I'm not going to go into my case because it was many years ago, but I still remember it, and try to learn from it.

You keep going back to him. That is teaching him that treating you like that has one consequence - you come back for more. Going back to him is not going to make him any more gentle, loving, kind, or considerate; it's going to teach him to be more of what he's already shown you, because you show him that that kind of treatment will bring you back for more.

Stay away from him for quite some time. Get to know yourself again - not as a slave, but as a woman. Give him time to realize that this time you meant OK, it's over. By the time the realization sinks in with both of you, that connection that draws you back time and time again may be broken, and you will be free (much as you hate the word) to give yourself to another Master who will treat you as the jewel you really are.


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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 5:56:18 PM   
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Where are you fucking up so badly here? The way I see it all you've done is try to be the owned slave of the wrong Master, that's all.

Lord, if I had not a lot of money for each time I walked down or tried to walk down that same path I could go away to Blackpool for a week. Ah but you see, no Domme ever really wanted me as a slave. So happy to be a sub just to have a Mistress, but that ain't what all this is about, or is it?

It ain't Karma and it ain't destiny if it ain't working out, not even when you're giving it away. A lot of people - not all - but many are in this for themselves, so if you give they'll take and they'll use, but when you want something back it'll be 'drama' or something else.

It's taken me some time to work this out, but I think I've done it. You see, I look around at my neighbours and the people who live on my street. Many of them have dogs, some have cats. Hardly any of them (I think) have slaves or even submissives.

I think I know why too. A submissive is a high end, luxury item, it's a human, it's high maintenance, something that not many people can find or afford. A slave is even more so.

You see, I got myself into the mindset of giving myself away after listening to Dommes telling me it's what they want that counts or the infamous 'This is all about me.' Then one of my former Dommes got hold of me after reading one of my profiles and started asking me what's going through my head. 'You think I put my time and effort into you just so you can offer yourself to any cheap tart who calls herself a Mistress?' The thing is, there used to be a sitcom called 'Bread' about a family in Liverpool and the mother in the family used to address the father's lover Lie Low Lil as a 'cheap tart' in the same way. It made me laugh, but it also made me remember.

What I did was do what the Post Office do with the post - there's First Class post and Second Class post - with me you get First Class submission (with feelings) and Second Class submission (without). This tends to get the message across. But you know I still get 'This is all about me.'

'Okay, why not go buy yourself a dog? Yorkshire Terriers are pretty cheap at the Dog's Home.' I reply.

No point in being slave if you're not with the right Master, is there? How do you know it's the right Master? Trust your own heart and intuition. You will know when it's the right Master.

What makes you think you need to be a slave anyway? Is it because you want to escape the misery of interpersonal human relationships or is it because you've found THE Master who you're prepared to give your whole heart, life, body and soul to? Think about it.

I've served several Dommes in my time as a submissive, and though they've been truly wonderful women I would never have offered myself as a slave to them and being honest the word 'slave' didn't enter my thinking until recently. This isn't so much because I didn't think they were worthy, but because I felt that I wasn't worthy enough to be someone's slave.

It's only when I moved on and started to show my true self to others that things got better. I'm like you, I need something back too. I don't mind waiting for it, but when I don't see it coming back I will move on. I could have fifty Dommes writing to me, but I don't see a point of none of them are the right Dommes.

Fucking up really badly doesn't mean anything other than you're human. I fuck up too. In fact I'm quite a habitual fucker upper, in fact I believe that success is only where you learn to fuck up your own mistakes and failures.

The rest of this posting I've left to Bob Marley to sing to you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUUwCW4ClPo

Be well, be yourself, be lucky.

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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 6:59:04 PM   
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Angelica brought up a good point although the way she wrote it makes it nearly unreadable (hint hint!)

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  Way way too much for me to fix.
And there was me thinking as his slave that I might be 'the one'. [
/quote]

Why the hell are you choosing people you need to fix?  Fix YOU for gods sake, you fix others because it is easier than cleaning up the mess that your life is.  Till YOU are fixed, or at least well along the way, you life is going to continue to be entertaining crap for use to write about.

Again, why on earth would  you choose some shitbag who needs to be fixed and then pray to god he will accept you?  This is two issues wrapped in one.  On some level you know you are fucked-up and so you choose someone more fucked up than you are.  Then you hope he will accept you because you imagine yourself to be a worthless bag of shit.

I don't care how fucked up you are, you are worth more than you think you are and he is clearly worth less.  Learn to love yourself, only then can you really love (as opposed to depend on) another person.

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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 7:01:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

the way she wrote it makes it nearly unreadable (hint hint!)



Yes......... Angelika, are you being punished, or something?

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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 7:09:00 PM   
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she mentioned on a different thread that her keyboard is broken..space-bar issues it seems  : )
 
 

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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 7:10:23 PM   
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Ahh,I wondered, but I'm too polite to ask. Usually.

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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 7:11:46 PM   
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she mentioned on a different thread that her keyboard is broken..space-bar issues it seems  : )
 
 


Ah-ha. Thank you, Galihah.

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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 7:13:46 PM   
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she mentioned on a different thread that her keyboard is broken..space-bar issues it seems  : )
 
 


New ones for $6.99!
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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 7:15:07 PM   
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she mentioned on a different thread that her keyboard is broken..space-bar issues it seems  : )
 
 


New ones for $6.99!
http://www.google.com/products?q=keyboard




Let's have a fund-raiser!
 
Angelika, I'm just teasing. I hope you don't take offense.

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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 7:16:19 PM   
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she mentioned on a different thread that her keyboard is broken..space-bar issues it seems  : )
 
 


Ah-ha. Thank you, Galihah.


You are welcome  : )
 

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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 7:32:47 PM   
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I'm slightly confused about this. I completely understand when something small sets off a whole mess of built up problems...

However, the way your first post read, it sounded like he let you go. As in...you were no longer his. Then as I continued to read you started to elaborate and it sounds like you asked if you could stay, he said no. You got very angry about this (as most would) and are talking about nixing the whole relationship. So is that all it was? I don't mean that as in was that all it was (as if it meant nothing)...but it seems like you have quite a few complaints about him...that you've been holding back on. Maybe you should get this all out in the open with him. Everything.

Communication is everything. He probably has no idea you feel this way.

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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 7:36:02 PM   
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Why Thank You, Sir!  Hijack Away!  *tee hee*
 

 

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Not meant as a hijack...but...bbwsubnnorcal.... I just wanted to say...I loooooooove your little script below:

"i Have Nothing Against God, It's His Fanclub i Can't Stand!!!"

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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 7:38:14 PM   
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been here, done that, finally got healthy and decided submission was the problem.  when i had no control over the decisions that were made, i was never happy with anyone, no matter how many ways we approached our relationship.  left that world behind.  works much better from the other side.

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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 7:43:39 PM   
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Hello at first
And I know that I see an lot of different like the moste here, but this comes out that I have an different background. First some words to the moste "Lords", "Masters" and "Owners". An real owner have to take care on his slave. I know for the most it reachs that the slave obey and you can play with them but it was much more. An unowned slaves was like an horse rider without an horse, an man who walked, but the horse will be allways an horse. Slaves becomes her wealty thrue her training. How better the training how better the slave. And training was work, not fun. It takes time, you have to correct all times what was wrong and you have to show to do it right. But to train the body was to few. Also the mind and the soul of slaves must be trained. Only on this way the slave was able to find the full potential. And this not only in the world of sex. Owner have an great responsibility.
The second was for the slaves. To obey if it was easy and he orders thing that I like was not the way of an slave, this was an game. The owner should give order but only things I like. This was not the way. To becomes an real slave was moste time an hard way. It can cost blood and tears. And an slave that free himself at the first time he dont like anything was not an real slave.
I dont know exactly whats happen. But perhaps he have an reason for this. He must not explain why he does things. You msut trust him that he takes care on you. That he was ready to protect you with his life. That you was realy wealthy for him. Real owner will not think slaves was doormates. Real slaves was loyal, obeys and was perfect trained for the duties. This all costes an lot of time. And the beginning of an real training makes an lot of fear. But an real slave feels deeper than ever other people can imagination. Real slaves was more succesfull in the world becouse no unharm can stop them. Slaves can wait work together and know that there was an lot more importand than her own wishes and dreams. An good owner will make some of the wishes and dreams true. But nobody in this world have an natural right on this. Also no slaves, and if this happens this was an great redwards. And for an good and wealthy slave it will gives more redwards like than an an more unwealthy. This was in the nature of some things. But also an good owner give the slave the chance to learn out from her failures, and this was the best in the world of an slave. Learning without long time consequenzes. An good owner will punish the slave and help her to learn out of it, and so she will be better an better. Run away and make the same mistake again and again, to here should you bring this? Have you thought about his no? What was possible ways for you as slave to change his mind? Have you asked him respectfull on his reason? Was this happens bevore? And ask yourself how far was you ready to go for your owner? Can you give him the soul? And I know this can be dangerous. And not all the peoples here that calls herslef was this condign.

This as words out from the shadow where some peoples was gone.
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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 7:55:32 PM   
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he said: come here and tell me you adore me and that you are lucky to have me. And I actually did it, with tenderness and with my heart, whispering it in his ear.


Ah, man; I wish we could have prepared for that.
 
You did just fine, except for leaving out this "but no more then myself".
 
Live, learn, and love,
 
p.s. Had a small spill myself, this am. I noticed the full moon, when I went to get coffee, let's go with that.
 
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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 8:00:19 PM   
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You know he's the same person he always was. You know he's going to be as much of an uncaring creep this time as last.

Question for you. What are you getting out of this that makes you keep going back for more? Because unless you were getting some need filled, admittedly a fucked up need, you wouldn't keep going back. Was your father physically or emotionally absent? Because if so, then you're picking someone just like dear old dad hoping this time it will magically come out right. It won't.

Try therapy, much healthier solution,

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RE: Fucking up really badly - 3/23/2008 8:23:23 PM   
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Prin, a fucktard is a fucktard, no matter how attracted to him you are, no matter how much love you might have for him.

Change your phone number, your email, etc, and BLOCK HIS.  Do not contact him.  Surround yourself with other distractions.  Pretend that his very presence will give off toxic gases that will kill you.  Until you just give this guy up and move on, you will not get any better. 

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