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Evility -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/24/2008 4:03:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Padriag I think the constant debate is a waste of time. Its a label, and that's about as far as it goes. That's a fair statement. Labels are useful and even necessary to a point but once you get past the bare minimum you begin to muddy the waters and the labels becomes more important than the substance behind them. That's the overall feeling I get from this thread... it's about whether someone fit's my definition of _____ and you are correct - that's a pointless debate.

Kindandcruel -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/24/2008 4:09:26 PM)
This is a sad example showing how low this way of life has gone... the tenacity of any person calling himself a Master is totally ridiculous when they have never had any experience. Before this lifestyle became a FAD a person that had the title given to him of Master had meaning... it meant that the person had basically been taught in many different techniques and in the Dominance of others. Not in having to prove ones dominance by domineering everybody around you. It is akin to saying that you have a Masters degree without ever having graduated High School. It is a total joke when one self proclaims himself to be a Master without anything to back it up... like experience, knowledge, and integrity.

junecleaver -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/24/2008 6:12:13 PM)
In general, I don't respect people as Masters or slaves. I just respect them as people. Since I already have an owner, I do not look at others as potential masters nor do I compare them to my current owner. I do admire people who have certain skills or that 'dominant charisma.' More importantly than having a slave, I would wonder why they didn't have one anymore (because I would not be open to being poly)? What people break up over can shed light onto whether or not I respect them.

IronBear -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/24/2008 6:57:25 PM)
If a man tells me he is a Master, I will ask what he is a Master of. Perhaps he has earned the title of Master by being recognized by his peers as the Master of some form or forms of Craft or Crafts (Master Carver), as a Master he would be entitled to have apprentices. Master Builders here are legally required to register with the Master Builders Association. Perhaps he is the Master of a vessel. He May academically have attained the degree of Master. He could of course belong to a lifestyle which has Mastery in it’s régime such as Gor in which all Gorean free men are referred to as Master but in which there are two views as to using the title. Pone school believes that any free Gorean male is a Master and the other thought is that only those Free men who own a slave may refer to them selves as Master. Of course if he is head of a home no matter what his lifestyle he is also entitled to refer to himself as Master of…. (I am Master of Bruin Cottage being the Dominant male there and head of the home). There titles only have as much weight as others choose to give them. In some cases it is like the ranks of officers in the armed services. There are many officers who are no worthy of being saluted so a smart trooper knows he salutes the rank and not the man. Mind you I have in my time been fortunate enough to have been in the company of soldiers of low rank who were worthy of a salute because of the men they were. Interestingly enough many of those were holders of either the Victoria Cross or the Congressional medal of Honour too.. Lets face it if someone wants to refer to them selves as a master he will probably need to prove he is worthy of that title to others, or possibly not.. The world changes (and not for the better) where these days the only time I see the full dress replete with ribbons, sashes and fruit salad with baubles hanging from coloured ribbons and ranks and hereditary titles from the UK and Europe being sported and used is on the few State occasions. Pity that for such pomp and pageantry are great fun to attend.. Iron Bear Master of Bruin Cottage (A Victorian Lifestyle poly home) "I judge a Man by what I see him do and not by what others tell me he does." (Captain Sir Edward Pellew of the HMS Indefatigable to Midshipman Hornblower ~ C.S. Forrester)

epiphany -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/25/2008 7:13:22 AM)
I agree that to call yourself a Master you would have had to own and to have done that well. Thats the qualifier for me. Like others have said, there are people out there that don't have the sense the good Lord gave a knat, and if thats the kind of slaves you have gathered, um...nope. No respect, it says plenty. I would have much more respect for someone new and trying to gather information and learn from others, than I would the Master mentioned above. Not everyone who has had experience has had good experience, and quanity isn't the same as quality. epiphany

HalloweenWhite -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/25/2008 7:52:56 AM)
I wouldn't consider anyone to be a master unless they were -someone's- master, therefore, as for as I'm concerned the answer to you question is "no. But....if I met someone and they seemed like they knew what they were talking about and seemed like responsible human beings then I'd think of them as -making- a good master sometime in the future,when they finally own a slave.

slaveluci -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/26/2008 5:45:24 AM)
Master had never been anyone's "master" before me. He had been involved in the "lifestyle" (ugh, how I hate that word but for brevity's sake....) for over 10 years, had played and had relationships with several subs. Simply put...in His words....He had never met someone He "clicked with" enough to want as His slave. He'd had fun experiences but never connected on such a level that He wanted to move it to a 24/7 or ownership situation. When we met, that level of connection occurred. He decided - for the first time in His life - that He had met one He desired to own. He does, He's my "Master" and that's that. No drama, no debates over semantics, no consideration for how outsiders interpret His abilities or "right" to call Himself my "master." He chose not to be with the others then He chose TO BE with me. Quite simple, actually. He's the best master He can be, I personally feel totally fulfilled and that He lacks nothing that I need. So whether He's ever been "master" to some other woman means less than nothing. What matters is He's Master to me[:)]................luci

MichiganHeadmast -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/26/2008 5:48:18 AM)
What if you're just "master of your domain"? [:)]

AquaticSub -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/26/2008 5:57:22 AM)
~Fast Reply~ If they are worth respecting otherwise. I really don't take the titles used in this lifestyle very seriously. There is no set of schools with uniform standards nor do I believe that there ever were. When there are schools one can attend and graduate with a masters on mastering, I'll start taking the term more seriously and giving it respect automatically. Until then, it's just another word unless they happen to be my master.

IronBear -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/26/2008 5:58:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MichiganHeadmast What if you're just "master of your domain"? [:)] I have no filled collars right now and thus to some I should not be called a Master, but my lifestyle allows it for I am Master of my home. . Iron Bear Master of Bruin Cottage (A Victorian Lifestyle poly home) "I judge a Man by what I see him do and not by what others tell me he does." (Captain Sir Edward Pellew of the HMS Indefatigable to Midshipman Hornblower ~ C.S. Forrester)

BeachMystress -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/26/2008 6:18:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact a Master/Mistress, to claim themselves as such, should have at one point owned a slave. They must have taken on the responsibility for another, lived within the dynamic, and held that position of authority. I might respect them as a person but unless someone has held that position of authority in an actual relationship I do not consider them, in my mind, to be a Mistress or Master. I may agree they are a Dominant, but if someone has never had a sub or slave in a long term relationship I will not consider them a Mistress/Master no matter what they personally term themselves.

LadyPact -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/26/2008 6:50:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MichiganHeadmast What if you're just "master of your domain"? [:)] Had to laugh. That Seinfield bit gets them every time.

IronBear -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/26/2008 10:59:13 AM)
quote: Seinfield quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: MichiganHeadmast What if you're just "master of your domain"? [:)] Had to laugh. That Seinfield bit gets them every time. That was a Seinfieldism was it. Wouldn't have known it from a barrel of bad beer. Not a Seinfield fan and was at one stage leading the charge to have a Seinfield Free Australia. Just not my personal tast in entertainment even though i recognise his brilliance. Iron Bear Master of Bruin Cottage (A Victorian Lifestyle poly home) "I judge a Man by what I see him do and not by what others tell me he does." (Captain Sir Edward Pellew of the HMS Indefatigable to Midshipman Hornblower ~ C.S. Forrester)

DrummerDom -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/26/2008 1:23:36 PM)
Inexperience is: A good reason to start things slow and learn as you go. A terrible reason to flat out not give someone a chance.

Leatherist -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/26/2008 4:34:21 PM)
I don't even view this from the respect angle. I see it from the experience angle instead. If a guy has effectively owned human property and been awknowledged as an owner by said property-he can claim the master title in my book. Whether he currently does or no. The same way you can call yourself a driver-having held a liscence. You either have the ability and expertise, or you do not. If you never have-but claim the title-I will naturally view you as a presumptuous idiot.

MasterWilliam55 -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/26/2008 6:26:54 PM)
I wouldn't have said that quite as harshly, but your right.

MasterWilliam55 -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/26/2008 6:29:34 PM)
"smiles" yep.

MisterStrongWill -> RE: Do you respect a Master who's never owned a slave? (3/28/2008 12:16:09 PM)
Well your question leads to a answer that would doom us all. NEVER owned a slave being the main detail for a Dom-there would be no Doms. Dominate male - should have some experiance true and his goal should be ownership. But, in the begining some how should I say.....working up to relationships are in order, meeting with an experianced slave dealing with other dom's. ownership is a big big deal and should not be taken lightly.

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