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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/25/2008 4:40:35 AM   
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Right then.

Could our UK friends  talk about the "license", [tax]?     I am floored 2 dont have TV!

I went 10 years with no TV. I could not afford the hook up fee.  [$20 a month at the time]  I got injured- and then spent alot of time at home,   satilite had a deal- mom had retired and lived  across th yard- so I paid for her  extension.

This is one of many topics-  'vote with your feet".   TV sets ought to be free of charge.  We pay for the set,  the electriciy, the wire, and the commercials.  All taxable.     Ppl now buy big screen, but  the picture is so clutterred with nonsense.  It is hard to see the  actual picture.

The commericals are so numerous- I get tired of fast forwarding thru tivo- that i delete the show.

So- I reduced to just the $20 basic, showtime, hbo, starz, cinamax. oh and ktla. --comes to $65 a month.  i watch alot of cspan2, right now im listening to national public radio...

i could reduce it down to just cinnamax, and ktla.   that would be  $1.50 a month- + the $6 line charge.   so figure $7.50, tho i like the tivo,  another $6. i dont know if i would get c-span on the one channel order.

anyhow-  compare me to a zillionaire.  we all have 60 minutes to an hour.    i come to view my time as precious. 

the river looks different every 20 minute.......once again the river has better programming!    and no logos on it.

vote with your feet.



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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/25/2008 3:07:12 PM   
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I agree that TV is, for the most part, a pacifier. 

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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/25/2008 3:11:45 PM   
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The ultimate electronic babysitter, after WoW.

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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/25/2008 9:07:15 PM   
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Oh boy. Such wierdos, I LOVE THIS PLACE. Whadidya tell the guy "I am a TS not a TV !". But then did he ask to see proof ?

Lol. But all kidding aside, I have started this but never finished. Maybe I get it done this time.

My observations on this : People want to be entertained.

I only want to be entertained a little bit. People do not understand, I limit it. I learn things here, as well as other places. As satisfying as entertainment is to many, education is satisfying to me. I think that is a fundamental difference between myself and most TV junkies. I am largely uninterested in the stories of other people's lives. Not totally.

But the context in which it is presented, I am even less interested. What's more, even the humor I take exception to. I used to love the Simpsons, I talked my way out of a speeding ticket on the way home to tape the Simpons. But I acquired a distaste for the show. Matt Groenig is obviously delusional, which helps him to excel at his job.

But the whole premise of it is a dysfunctional family. Now I don't care if Gays or Lesbians want to have a two Moms or two Dads household. As long as pay attention to the kids and care. My Parents broke up and since then there were alot of times there were two Women living there older than me. It didn't hurt me in any way. But the characters portrayed on the Simpsons are dysfunctional all day long. And it is being portrayed as entertainment, and is considered such by the viewers.

That means they grow to accept it. Instead of learning things, settling down and having self control it is OK to be damnear totally useless, and lay waste to your kids' lives as well, and that is OK now. I bet a hundred years ago nobody would consider such a thing humorous at all.

I guess we are to consider these people normal. Well if that is how it is I do not want to be normal. I remember the first time I watched Married With Children. I said "That bitch would be out the door".

What I think was good TV was the original Star Trek. It induced me to think of science, like spark my curiousity. "How the heck would they do that ?".

I'll sit through Millionaire and Jeopardy, but not much else. The local PBS affiliate reruns the BBC news, sometimes I'll catch a bit of that downstairs.

But there are no stories in those shows.

So if you understand what I am trying to say................

Raise your hand maybe? Something like that LOL.

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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/25/2008 9:46:16 PM   
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'77...Nothing has changed....Lol. You look for the programs of interest....Few do....Far too many would be as comfortable now as the were in '77 or earlier....They want their news spoon fed to them...Don't like to be challenged....Three stations is too much for this type of person let alone all of the choices now available.

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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/25/2008 9:51:13 PM   
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I went for 7 years with no tv and was fine without it .. now my roommate has a giant screen and it is always on ... and I spend too much time watching it ... was happy without it .. but short of going into my bedroom all the time .. its hard to avoid ....

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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/26/2008 4:10:20 AM   
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Entertained.  hhmm.   I am stupid.  I want to learn.  I absolutley HATE voice menus!  Websites too- so controlled you can now do what you cant do via phone.  I argued with verizon phone.  I asked for my line to never ever get calls from a computer. That this is spam.  That cspan said there are options.  So I asked- what are my options?   During hold time- please learn about our widget service- you too can have it at a great price. your call is important.   did you know you can blah blah on our website.   I think you said  shop.  is that right.  sorry that option isnt availbel.   i think you said upgrade.  how do ya fricken tell a machine to not call you!  teh machine now has more rights then the human!

does anyone remember the unibomber?    he must have had a computer calling hoim 3x a day every day

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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/26/2008 4:49:18 AM   
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Just thinking aloud here but what with Six Feet Under, Sopranos, The Wire, Deadwood to name a few, I actually think that American TV drama is going through a minor golden era.  We get crappy Doctor Who, you get Battlestar Galactica, you know?  And I haven't even mentioned Curb once.  Then there's lesser but still worthy stuff like Weeds (first series) which simply wouldn't be attempted in the UK-- and  I also like Mad Men.  The French serial, Spiral was great but it's infrequent that places outside the US reach the level of your best stuff.  I know 90% of all TV is drivel and that your news is terrible but I reckon you still have a lot to enjoy.

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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/26/2008 6:14:17 AM   
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The reason why voice menu is a tv.    easy.   a tv is captive, passive, hypnotic,  a way for advertisers to sell you.  there is no communication.only robotic pre-approved  actions.   say the incorrect word- and the voice babbles on.  dont wait too soon or too fast or the babble cuts you off- consuming your time.   times is valuable.  my time is worth- well more the money.

the machine calls the shots.  i cant tell a computer to stop calling me.   and as for the fricken phone company.  i penetrated there service buildings. i am serious.  i seen the nuts and bolts.   they CAN block computer calls if they wanted to.    i breached that more then once.   everything is detailed down to the split second.

as for T,  http://www.npr.org     find your local station, it is on FM, beginning or end of the dial.  tune in 6Am to 9AM, and 4PM to 7PM.   you will find - it is the best thing going right now.  rather then a sound bite- you get "some" details.  it stimulated you if anything.

Next-  peek in a cspan 2.  they stream online- or  catch the channel. this is  publically funded- and   usually  easy to tune in.   --> the time to watch is weekends. for 48 hours they  interview book authorers.

if i had to pick 2 sources i pick that.

3.  would be showtime.   it has origianl programming.  no logo on the screen. record stuff to watch later.

my friends- no matter how affluent you are- we all have 60 seconds to a minute.   dont let anyone- and i mean anyone rob you of it.  it is yours to LIVE.   at any moment in time - you are more important then any media.  think about it.

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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/26/2008 7:38:50 AM   
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NAY!! I donated my tv to charity a few years back and havent missed it since.

It is one thing to find someone who reads the same books as you, there is a connection a tingle but to find someone who watches the same shows it just isnt the same.

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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/26/2008 8:39:31 AM   
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My television has a "yea or nay" switch.  I can toggle between them as I see fit, not as someone full of smug condescension sees fit.

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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/26/2008 9:50:13 AM   
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I can watch tv and enjoy it ... dont get me wrong ... but also prefer to have people in my living room or on my porch/ patio to talk to or to read ....I find that I sit in front of the tv and watch things I really dont enjoy waiting for something I do like to come on .. if  I am not careful ... and later realize a lot of time has been wasted ..

I rarely miss tv if I dont have one .... at least not after the first week or so lol

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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/26/2008 11:41:21 AM   
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I think it's pretty clear that the general quality of scripted shows (i.e. fiction) has improved dramatically over the years. Sure it's cool to watch The Green Hornet and Land of the Giants, but they're pretty lightweight compared to Deadwood, Dexter, or even ER for that matter. But the quality of the programming hasn't really changed the nature of the beast.

I'll illustrate with a few examples:

1. Dexter is a truly amazing serial. It's take on Miami alone versus CSI: Miami or Miami Vice is mind-blowing, but what happened when NBC decided to pick it up? It had to be re-cut and sanitized for major network consumption, losing some of its pulpy appeal in the process.

2. Freaks and Geeks was an innovative amazing show. It's take on teen drama functioned at a far more profound and sophisticated level than the fluff of Beverly 90210 or Dawson's Creek. It actually reflected something about what it is to be a teenager growing up in North America. For what it's worth, the Museum of Television and Broadcasting picked it as one of the 100 greatest shows ever produced. Due to the bungling of NBC who never really let it run a series, it never stood a chance. The only place outside of DVD or the Internet where it has been shown in its entirety is the afforementioned museum in protest of its cancellation.

3. Jericho is an interesting what-if scenario of fairly gripping intrique. It was cancelled once, but brought back because of an overwhelming public campaign to save the show. It is now being cancelled after 7 more episodes were commissioned. Again there is another public campaign to save the show. CBS's stated reason is that it simply wasn't attracting enough viewers. Close to 14 million in the first year, down to about 9 million this year represents approximately 5% of the American population. Fair enough in a capitalist system, a private broadcast network has the right to cancel shows at will, but is the profit not driven by ad revenue, and is it not just possilble that the show's portrayal of a corporate take-over of American democracy might have had something to do with the cancellation? I don't know, but it's out there for debate.

This is of course not unique to American television, but my point is this: television shows are not necessarily crap, but the context in which they are intended to be presented to the public are. If you love narrative media, you can't ignore it without missing out something truely vital. I think one way our experience of television has changed is the way in which we see it which is not on TV at all. It's on DVD, or the Internet, or in public screenings much like films.

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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/26/2008 11:53:30 AM   
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BP - good points, I'd agree.  Also, after the edgier more subversive films of the Seventies seemed to die out and be replaced by blockbusters, that sort of writing has resurfaced on HBO, Showtime etc.

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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/26/2008 12:15:25 PM   
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TV is not called the idiot box for nothing. That said, I am idiot enough to own one.

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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/26/2008 12:24:45 PM   
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i wish you could only pay for the channels you watch....i could make it with court tv, a&e, discovery, history channel, and a couple local stations.

folks really watch golf on tv?  now thats a kink i cant accept.  red red
 
edited cause my typing sucks

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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/26/2008 1:30:01 PM   
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TV  yea or nay?


Yea....... I like it simple as that

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RE: Television. Yea or Nay? - 3/26/2008 2:10:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: badprofessor

In his influential book of 1977, Four Arguments for the Elmination of Televison, Jerry Mander contends that television is inherently possesses negative consequences as a medium.

The basic arguments are:

1. It gives the illusion of interest and value, but it really just perpetuates the message of the broadcaster. i.e. all content is propaganda

True, but that is only a problem because of number 2. 20 different propaganda messages is more effective in leaking the facts than 4. A 100 is better than 20, so on and so forth..

2. Limited ownership and control of the broadcast frequencies prevent new voices from controlling the medium.

Agree, and think tv is going to be swallowed by the internet anyway, so that is bound to change more and more with time.

3. Its physical and mental effects on the viewer, render the individual receptive to external control.

I'd say it opens them up to suggestion, maybe not control. People are generally stupid, even smart ones. If you repeat something as fact long enough a large portion of any group will accept it as fact. If that equates to control.

4. It is inherently an undemocratic medium with no potential for democratization.
I agree traditional television doesn't represent it's audience well. Part of that has to do with censorship, and whoring for ad dollars though.

So, 30 years later, do these arguments still hold? Did they ever? Has the evolution of the medium redeemed itself?

Pretty much still true.


I don't watch TV hardly at all. I watch documentaries on the internet, I watch Lost, and random viral videos, oh and non-Mainstream news video mostly, the bbc, and very rarely the US MSM, mainly because some source refers to it.  I try to find it on other sources other than the MSM sites to, as I don't want them getting any money, so generally if I want to watch a fox clip, I'll go to Youtube. LOL. Really Fox, CNN,MSNBC, NBC News,CBS NEws ABC News, don't earn a .01 off me, oh and I'll click there ads so they have to pay advertising costs, not to often because then google would invalidate them, but every few days or so I cost them a little bit. HEHE.

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