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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 9:43:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: Stephann

So, with this said, I agree that this isn't something anyone can write for me. Rather, it was more of a query of what other aspects of slavery might have been glaringly overlooked; Health & Hygine being an excellent example, as it's something we address on a daily basis, but I didn't think to pen to the list. I suppose it's worth mentioning that this isn't intended as a negotiation tool (though I suppose it certainly could be, a different direction to go in for M/s individuals who are more interested in Dominant/submissive aspects than they are in fetish/BDSM checklists.)

I thought this was neat and fun to think about. It would be interesting to talk about this with Valyraen and see what he thinks about it.

By the way, I don't know if it's something you would want to put on your list, but I realized I would expect pets (caring of, which kinds I could own, etc) to be addressed somewhere.

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 9:44:17 AM

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according to Daddy: training is for those who are weak

so your Daddy never learned anything from anyone else in his life huh? ... must say it would be wonderful to be that brilliant and unquestionable .. to have been born with perfect ability to do everything anyone has ever asked of you.. amazing

makes you a boring and isolated character though ...never needing anything fromanyone else ...no guidance.. no advice ... no knowledge from another person

With that post Samba you just took a massive metaphorical dump on everything I hold dear and strive to be everyday... with it you demonstrated no tact, no social understanding and little or no insight and worst you demonstrated no respect whatsoever ... not good things

if wanting and desiring training to become a better and more pleasing woman to the man I love makes me weak ...then yes I am weak ... but thats no kind of strong I wish to be.

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 9:45:00 AM

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I don't believe you can have a specific training plan that meets the needs of teaching every slave/sub..A basic out line of what you need and taking a new direction when needed...I teach I don't train...I believe there is a big difference between the two..just my 3 cents,,,bounty

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 9:45:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

you offered your opinion and i did the same. if you assumed that i did it to rile things up, then you assumed wrong. i stand by opinions and not going to change my stance on what i think about training.

apologies to Stephann solely

You have the right to say anything you like. Yet like my social studies teacher once told me, just because you have the right, doesn't mean it's right to speak. Your contribution was rude, and unwelcome.

Folks, kindly follow the hijack here.

Stephan

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 9:46:06 AM

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I should just let others talk for me, great reply, Softness.

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 9:47:20 AM

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according to Daddy: training is for those who are weak

so your Daddy never learned anything from anyone else in his life huh? ... must say it would be wonderful to be that brilliant and unquestionable .. to have been born with perfect ability to do everything anyone has ever asked of you.. amazing

makes you a boring and isolated character though ...never needing anything fromanyone else ...no guidance.. no advice ... no knowledge from another person

With that post Samba you just took a massive metaphorical dump on everything I hold dear and strive to be everyday... with it you demonstrated no tact, no social understanding and little or no insight and worst you demonstrated no respect whatsoever ... not good things

if wanting and desiring training to become a better and more pleasing woman to the man I love makes me weak ...then yes I am weak ... but thats no kind of strong I wish to be.

very well said softness.
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'must be nice to be so f'ing perfect'

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 9:47:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

I thought this was neat and fun to think about. It would be interesting to talk about this with Valyraen and see what he thinks about it.

By the way, I don't know if it's something you would want to put on your list, but I realized I would expect pets (caring of, which kinds I could own, etc) to be addressed somewhere.

Smiles... that's a lovely thought, but we've already established our views on pets. Part of why we want to move, is so we can get two cats. If we reach a point where we're ready to have children, we'll also get a dog; I'm a cat person, and she loves dogs.

Stephan

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 9:51:24 AM

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I don't believe you can have a specific training plan that meets the needs of teaching every slave/sub..A basic out line of what you need and taking a new direction when needed...I teach I don't train...I believe there is a big difference between the two..just my 3 cents,,,bounty

I suppose it's a matter of perspective. The truth is, this is something the slave has repeatedly expressed an interest in, so I'm exploring what value it may or may not hold. I agree though, I intend to keep it more of an outline than a specific "daily three liters of water, one cup of rice milk, one orange, one banana, one cup coffee with one teaspoon of cream...." etc etc etc.

Stephan

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 10:03:46 AM

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Service

Almost anything could go into that category, and it would change as needs change.

But I like the idea of adding "fun." Also, a list of fears to be faced might be interesting.

P.S.: I'm a sucker for hijackers. If we were all on a plane together, you'd all be toast. Sorry.

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 10:09:41 AM

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Hi Tracy,

True; I should have written "Service & Protocol" as that's the intent of the bullet.

As for fears... I don't think I'm interested in pushing her to face fears, if I don't think she'd benefit from it personally. I can think of one fear she has, that would be unhealthy for me to ever push her to face.

Stephan

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 10:23:24 AM

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Having recently discussed protocol ..one thing as a slave I would require as part of my training would be to not need to ... or be able to... hide things from Sir. Training in trust and honesty (specifically trusting in honesty as a pleasing thing to be) I know I struggle with this,because i hide a lot of things from people (my real feelings, my health, my stresses in life) I would have to be trained to get to a place where I could be honest and know that my honesty would not be rejected because it was threatening.

As an example ... right now ... I worry that if I was totally honest about every slight blip in my health... that would be a threatening truth to hear ... so often I down play slight ups and downs in my health because I am frightened of what might happen if I was honest. I need to be trained in trust and honesty because that cannot continue to happen when I am in active service.

so.. training in trust and honesty

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 11:02:28 AM

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Maybe broader headings and then sub headings would help fill out the program.

Physical - Diet, exercise, sexual, SM
Mental - Education, Career, Service, Social, Protocol
Spiritual - Rituals for home, personal spiritual matters (church, temple, etc)

Of course there are some cross over areas for many if not most, so one has to divide the subheadings the way things fit in their world.

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 11:09:43 AM

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14??? *goes back to recount*

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 11:16:58 AM

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14??? *goes back to recount*

At the time of writing, I had several 'items' (Gym, Jogging, Water, Meals, Diary, Blog, Books, Cooking, Housekeeping, etc) that were simply items within the bullet. I was looking for general areas of life, though specific suggestions are always welcome.

Stephan

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 11:33:58 AM

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See you already have started to conslidate and rearrange. LOL

To further the idea of standards from the other post
Physical- would be an area of learning, Diet- you will be able to demonstrate that you can design a healthy menu/ diet plan and abide by that plan. (That sets a standard) Then the steps of how to achieve that standard would be the training (at least in my book) Along the way one will certainly learn things beyond the scope of the training standard. Exercise you will design a fitness program and apply the program. You will show adjustments to the program as needed. and you will track the results by measuring your fitness in these areas. (stealing from the Army) Sit ups, Push Ups, 2 Mile run. [ of course you can substitute your own standards to measure by].

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 12:02:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: Stephann

Morning Folks,

I'm sitting here with a bullet list of about 14 different items, with "Slave Training Plan" at the top. So far in the bullets, I have:

Journal

Exercise

Diet

Sexual

Service

Career

Education

Spiritual

For dominants, what else would you list? For submissive types, what would you anticipate on there? Just curious.

Stephan

i would anticipate nothing because a) don't identify as slave, b) not willing to have myself trained as one and c) according to Daddy: training is for those who are weak

you may start flaming now

You asked...training is for those who are weak? Hmmmmmm...O.K., here's some questions for your Daddy
1. Why, when I had already been through Basic and A.I.T. and Jump School, did I continue to train as a soldier the whole time I was in the service? Because all soldiers are weak?
2. Why, though I have a degree as a doctor...and I believe your Daddy does too...do we have to continue to get training through compulsory hours each year in order to maintain our license? Because all doctors are weak at being a doctor?
3. Why, though I like intelligent women submissives, do I train them in the things I see as important to the dynamic ...train them in the things they wish to improve in their lives...train them
in those areas important to me as the dominant...train them in the things that are important to me as part of the relationship? Because they are weak and NOT intelligent? Because they are too weak to have the psychic powers to just KNOW what they should do? Because I have weak telepathic powers to communicate to them?

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 12:05:02 PM

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We see the results of it's failure or non-existence in relationships on here every single day and it is obviously an issue that does require some training or whatever you'd like to call it for a lot of people...... myself included!

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 12:09:28 PM

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See you already have started to conslidate and rearrange. LOL

To further the idea of standards from the other post
Physical- would be an area of learning, Diet- you will be able to demonstrate that you can design a healthy menu/ diet plan and abide by that plan. (That sets a standard) Then the steps of how to achieve that standard would be the training (at least in my book) Along the way one will certainly learn things beyond the scope of the training standard. Exercise you will design a fitness program and apply the program. You will show adjustments to the program as needed. and you will track the results by measuring your fitness in these areas. (stealing from the Army) Sit ups, Push Ups, 2 Mile run. [ of course you can substitute your own standards to measure by].

Archer, your posts have always been something I've read enthusiastically so I apologize if I seemed to give them short shrift. You're absolutely right. I'd mentioned trying to focus on the mental, physical, and emotional aspects, but as broad as those concepts are I figured I needed to break those large concepts down.

There are already issues we'd decided to incorporate in our lives; our gym memberships at the University Rec Center will kick in starting Monday, we've already made committments to improve the quality of our meals, reduce the alchohol and fat, better budget planning, better time management, etc. I figured that since we're taking on so many of these improvements, that a more cohesive plan would be in order - not just for her, but for myself.

Thank you, as always, for your comments.

Stephan

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 12:12:44 PM

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No problem no slight felt, yet. LOL

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RE: Slave Training Plan - 3/26/2008 12:21:31 PM

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We see the results of it's failure or non-existence in relationships on here every single day and it is obviously an issue that does require some training or whatever you'd like to call it for a lot of people...... myself included!

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Perfectly said...~applauds~

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