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farglebargle -> RE: those damn illegals (4/3/2008 4:30:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle I said that he violated 18 USC 371 and 18 USC 1001 when he presented information to Congress and the general public through deceit, craft, trickery, dishonest means, and fraudulent representations, including lies, half-truths, material omissions, and statements made with reckless indifference to their truth or falsity, while knowing and intending that such fraudulent representations would influence Congress' decisions regarding authorization to use military force and funding for military action. And congress voted to give him the authority to go to war. Where's your bile and hatred and call for prosecution for them? If you can't even get the particulars of the AUMF-Iraq right, then why bother trying to participate in the discussion? quote: As for your beloved "18 USC 371 and 18 USC 1001"........we are talking about the US government, right? They've all been violating those codes for decades. NO. We are talking about THE CITIZEN, GEORGE W. BUSH. And THE CITIZEN RICHARD CHENEY... And the CITIZEN Condalezza Rice, and their CHOICE TO BECOME FELONS. quote: Furthermore, Saddam, in a final interview said he intentionally allowed the world to think he had those weapons. He enjoyed "fooling" everyone because he didn't think we'd invade. Bullshit. Hussein CERTIFIED TO THE UN that Iraq was clean just before Bush invaded and occupied Iraq. Conversely, Bush LIED about the following: "The U.N. and U.S. intelligence sources have known for some time that Saddam Hussein has materials to produce chemical and biological weapons, but he has not accounted for them: * 6,000 liters of anthrax—enough to kill several million people * 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin * 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agents (and) Almost 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents" quote: quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle If someone tells you to shoot someone else dead, and you CHOOSE TO OBEY THEM and commit murder, who is responsible for YOUR ACTIONS? I guess it's good for all of them that you aren't the authority on what constitutes murder. I don't consider death that occurs in battle to be murder. Murder is what the islamist radicals do. What about an Unlawful War? That's not murder? If it's not murder, than the 9/11 victims weren't murdered, were they? YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. quote: Again I say to this, prove he lied. The 500 TONS of vx and sarin not enough? Here you go. Bush CLAIMED a recent IAEA report said something, and the report DID NOT EXIST. On September 7, 2002, appearing publicly with Blair, BUSH claimed a recent IAEA report stated that Iraq was "six months away from developing a [nuclear] weapon" and "I don't know what more evidence we need," which statements were made without basis and with reckless indifference to the truth in that: (1) the IAEA had not even been present in Iraq since 1998; and (2) the report the IAEA did write in 1998 had concluded there was no indication that Iraq had the physical capacity to produce weapons-usable nuclear material or that it had attempted to obtain such material. What more proof do you want?

Smith117 -> RE: those damn illegals (4/3/2008 5:25:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle If you can't even get the particulars of the AUMF-Iraq right, then why bother trying to participate in the discussion? Simple. If you'll look at the top of the page, this thread is not about "AUMF-Iraq," Bush, Cheney, or anything relating to the war. Which, thanks to your outburst was pretty much highlighted exactly as I thought it would be. I was just waiting for you to ask me something like this. Coming into a thread about the plight of one illegal immigrant and posting about how Bush and co need to be in jail for lying ([sm=biggrin.gif]As though politicians don't lie daily for their own benefit) is utterly ridiculous, especially in the way you did it. "Oh we don't prosecute x, y, z, so why go after illegals." Well, I'll tell you why. Because this is a nation of laws. Yes, it's been widely known for decades that politicians can skirt a law or two. Does that give you or I carte blanche to break any law we wish without consequence? If your answer is yes, then grab some bags, let's go to the bank, I could use a lil spending money. What the hell, according to you, if we can't go after Bush for a lie, they can't get us for bank robbery, right? [8\|] If you want to talk about the thread, talk about the thread. And that is illegal immigrants/illegal immigration and the problems they bring with them and the problems (at least one of them) face. Thank you VERY much for helping me make the point I was trying to make when I orginally replied to you. It took us awhile to get here, but alas, we made it. [:D]

farglebargle -> RE: those damn illegals (4/3/2008 5:37:43 PM)
quote: Because this is a nation of laws No, it isn't. The very fact that the felonious Bush Gang are literally "Above The Law" clearly proves THAT. It's a nation of Torturing prisoners, Spying on everyone's email, web browsing, phone calls, credit card and affinity card usage!1!, and Lies. And it is nothing to be proud of. __________________________________________ Footnote 1: I could go on. The fact is that AT&T is liable in civil penalties for the 5 years of unlawful spying on you to the tune of owing YOU a check for $150,000.00. Anyone for retroactive immunity is a fucking idiot, OR someone who is so wealthy, they couldn't USE 150 grand.\|2\| Footnote 2: If you're not actively, publicly resisting the Bush Gang, they probably won't Spitzer you. But if you are an "Enemy of the Bush Gang", you really better lander the transaction well... But given that the feds sifting all your transactions it might give you a higher score in their "laundering" index.\|3\|

Smith117 -> RE: those damn illegals (4/3/2008 5:39:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Bullshit. Hussein CERTIFIED TO THE UN that Iraq was clean just before Bush invaded and occupied Iraq. Well let's prosecute Saddam for lying too then. Because in his final interview before he died (significantly more recent than his supposed certification to the UN) that he intentionally let the world think he had those weapons and, in fact, he DELIGHTED knowing we thought that as it made his country appear strong and thus, safe from attack. quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle "The U.N. and U.S. intelligence sources have known for some time that Saddam Hussein has materials to produce chemical and biological weapons, but he has not accounted for them: * 6,000 liters of anthrax—enough to kill several million people * 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin * 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agents (and) Almost 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents" I love how people point to the fact that we didn't find anything significant as proof it never existed. Surely there's no way any of that could have been shipped out of the country or buried while we were debating in the UN. And I'll say again, it really doesn't matter. Nearly everyone agreed he was a bad guy who needed to be dealt with. Who cares how we did it? It's like when cops make an arrest and they aim their guns at the bad guy and say "just give me one excuse" Saddam's stonewalling and his own subterfuge gave us our excuse. And we took it. quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle What more proof do you want? Oh I dunno, I guess proof that you work with the IAEA and have intimate, irrefutable knowledge over all their activities and travel plans. We all know through his speeches that it's an amazing feat that Bush can tie his shoes. Half of what comes out of his mouth leaves me in disbelief he was even able to spit the words out. He can't even get common, everyday sayings right. You don't think perhaps he misspoke or named the wrong agency do you? And I end with this. Politicians lie. They do this as a (seemingly) function of their job as well as self-preservation. If you seriously allege we should jail one for lying, Washington's seriously in danger of being a ghost town. As I recall.....(and this is off the cuff, so there's no hard research involved just yet) every one of our most recent presidents AND candidates has lied in some way, as far back as I can remember. Here are a few well-known, choice phrases that come immediately to mind: "I am not a crook!" "Read my lips, no new taxes." "I did NOT have sex with that woman." "I invented the internet." "Obama's camp is lying about my proposals!!!" (despite the fact that he quoted "her" directly from one of their debates)

Smith117 -> RE: those damn illegals (4/3/2008 5:43:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle No, it isn't. The very fact that the felonious Bush Gang are literally "Above The Law" clearly proves THAT. There's way more "above the law" in this country than the small group of Bush cronies. Money makes one immune. Just ask OJ. If he can do it, why can't Bush? quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle It's a nation of Torturing prisoners, Spying on everyone's email, web browsing, phone calls, credit card and affinity card usage!1!, and Lies. Considering what the enemy does to its prisoners, we treat ours like they're in a 4 star hotel. I don't recall our boys cutting anyone's heads off and putting it on youtube. Between that and a lil "waterboarding" I have to say I'll take the latter thank you.

farglebargle -> RE: those damn illegals (4/3/2008 5:48:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 (significantly more recent than his supposed certification to the UN) There's nothing supposed about Hussein's certification PRIOR TO THE US INVASION to the UN that... AND HERE'S THE PUNCHLINE FOLKS... He didn't have the 30,000 chemical weapons capable munitions or the 500 tons of nerve gas OR any of the other shit Bush lied to you ( and Congress ) about, in violation of 18 USC 371, and 18 USC 1001. Wow... A SINGLE US Attorney who wasn't a member of the Bush Gang ( Loyal Bushies are in the Gang, aren't they? They really feel like a part of it, I'd bet... ) could lock them all up. Of course, they unlawfully fired "The Few, Good Men" who could have actually defended America from the Invasion of the Crazy Fundamentalist Apocalyptic Christian Nuts early on in their takeover... All in all: I wish it were a variant of Alien Angels... http://www.1km1kt.net/rpg/Alien_Angels.pdf

Smith117 -> RE: those damn illegals (4/3/2008 5:50:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Just out of curiousity, will you be addressing the actual topic of this thread or.......?

farglebargle -> RE: those damn illegals (4/3/2008 5:53:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Just out of curiousity, will you be addressing the actual topic of this thread or.......? Nope. Probably not. You've helped prove that it's not a "Nation of Laws", and therefore the notion of holding anyone accountable is dismissivly hypocritical.

Smith117 -> RE: those damn illegals (4/3/2008 5:55:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Nope. Probably not. You've helped prove that it's not a "Nation of Laws", and therefore the notion of holding anyone accountable is dismissivly hypocritical. [8\|] So tragic.

MisterNatural -> RE: those damn illegals (4/3/2008 6:50:21 PM)
ILLEGAL + CRIMINAL Want to see something else scary? http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4ADBF_enUS223US223&q=%22eric+Bauchman%22 Want more? Read this: http://www.usillegalaliens.com/about_the_author.html THEN don't go whining when laws are enforced. Its to protect those LEGALLY here. The biggest joke was the movie "What If There Were No Mexicans". Remember that one? If there were no [illegal] Mexicans the increased costs of labor would be absorbed by the ecnomy the same way it absorbed a TRIPLING in gas prices since the 1990's. I rest my case. C"mon! You want a piece of me? lol

OrionTheWolf -> RE: those damn illegals (4/3/2008 8:25:39 PM)
fargle if you are so big about rules, maybe review this http://www.collarchat.com/m_1565420/tm.htm quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Just out of curiousity, will you be addressing the actual topic of this thread or.......? Nope. Probably not. You've helped prove that it's not a "Nation of Laws", and therefore the notion of holding anyone accountable is dismissivly hypocritical.

thompsonx -> RE: those damn illegals (4/3/2008 9:16:32 PM)
quote: There's way more "above the law" in this country than the small group of Bush cronies. Money makes one immune. Just ask OJ. If he can do it, why can't Bush? Smith: I thought he was found to be not guilty by a jury of his peers? If you do not like the way the judicial system works in our country perhaps you could vote to change the law so that you would have the right to review all jury decisions. thompson

MzMia -> RE: those damn illegals (4/3/2008 9:22:17 PM)
MY! I pity the fool that speaks up about illegal immigration! [sm=banghead.gif] I feel America can absorb illegal immigrants from all over the world, to say "anything" about this, is so not PC. [sm=whap.gif] To feel that "illegal immigration" is a problem, makes you a racist! How dare you form or have an opinion, as an American citizen! You sir, must be a racist of the highest degree! We are simply not allowed to say anything about illegal immigration, without being called a racist. shame on you! With our really great economy, I think we should request millions and millions more to come to America illegally. We can easily afford to teach them, and give them medical care. I only wish we could import illegal immigrants from at least India, Africa, and the Middle East, Russia, Eastern Europe, etc.

thompsonx -> RE: those damn illegals (4/3/2008 9:25:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Smith117 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Smith; The question was WHICH broken law. So your answer is "I don't know" thank you thompson I'm pretty sure that I indicated that in my reply, but thanks for pointing out the obvious. The laws broken by the illegals are often many, and vary depending on the individual. The one common one between every illegal alien is the imigration law. I am not an immigration lawyer, so no, I can't quote you the exact statute and paragraph number, but that's hardly relevant. Perhaps if you were cognizant of just exactly what the law said you could discuss this question from a point of knowledge and not one of emotion. The fact is, there is a legal way to enter this country and those sneaking in are not following that method. Perhaps if you were to acquaint yourself with the specifics of that method this could actually become a discussion. Now, thompson, is there a pertinent point you'd like to make, or are you merely content in highlighting the fact that I'm not an immigration lawyer? Because honestly, if that's the entirety of your position, that's not really much of a position at all. It has nothing to do with whether or not you are an immigration lawyer and everything to do with you not being aware of the principle points of the discussion. If you do not know what the law is then how can you possibly discuss it rationally?

Smith117 -> RE: those damn illegals (4/4/2008 3:29:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Perhaps if you were cognizant of just exactly what the law said you could discuss this question from a point of knowledge and not one of emotion. Perhaps if you were to acquaint yourself with the specifics of that method this could actually become a discussion. It has nothing to do with whether or not you are an immigration lawyer and everything to do with you not being aware of the principle points of the discussion. If you do not know what the law is then how can you possibly discuss it rationally? Why don't you enlighten the rest of us then? Instead of just nitpicking my post as well as others, why don't you explain it to us all, since you seem to be the expert. Actually contribute knowledge to this discussion, instead of just tearing down others' posts.

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