Maya2001
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I've tried to do some research on subspace, subdrop, physical/psychological/emotional reactions, etc and have found lots of interesting stuff. Recap from what I've read plus my own point of view. Sweating during heavy play is normal, the body's first line of defense in kicking in the adrenal glands. So it would be normal to be cold afterward. Also, when you take into consideration the blood sugar spike and drop, the endorphin spike and drop, the adrenal spike and drop, the body is going through some major and overly-quick changes from one extreme to another. Add in the psychological aspects and it's very possible that the body does go into a mild shock. The symptoms all fall into place as well, the sweating, tachycardia, rise in blood pressure, spike in blood sugar then the sudden drop of everything all at once.
I suggest definitely being watchful and providing warmth, fluids, snacks afterward and the return to normal should be just around the corner. If it lasts for more than an hour or so, I would seek medical attention unless you feel yourself coming down easily. But I find that with proper aftercare I bounce back quite quickly. Of course, proper diet and rest and exercise and all that other stuff to keep you healthy goes a long long way in providing quick recuperation from a heavy session.
Not suggesting not going to a doctor but agree with littlebits advice as well about researching sub drop
I ended up looking up the symptoms of sub drop myself after noting the affects including feeling cold afterward, but no where near as severe as you are describing.
but as mentioned the adrenal and endorphin changes can have a strong impact on the body,
I own one dog who is a very good example of that, she is extremely fearful to the point of being phobic, if a situation occurs where she is in a terror state too long, her body temperature will quickly elevate to the point where her own body can no longer self regulate even when removed from the situation that is causing the fear , and therefore her temperature will continue to climb to the point where seizures/coma/death without intervention which means manually cooling her down either by submersing her in cold water or apply cold wet rags to the key areas near heart arm pits feet and around her throat, during the incident her respiratory rates, and heart rates goes thru changes as well and even her eyes become glazed, for myself I can use her respiratory rates as my guide to know what level she is at and when I know that her stress level is peaking I know to get away to a quiet safe spot and calmed down immediately.
She has been checked medically,bloodwork and heart is good and one incident has occurred while at the vet where she ended up keeling over as a result of the stress related hyperthermia, basically she is healthy this is just how her body responds to huge releases of hormones.
And we did do a tick panel on her as well to see if it may be related using IFA methods to test since one of the most accurate but not available here in Canada also very expensive --where the lab in Arizona that did it offers a special pricing for greyhounds , since because of how they are raised and kept large numbers are affected so are ideal research candidates which inturn info collected is used in human research as well , which showed she has had some exposure to babesia but thru further testing using a form of DNA testing which required sending bloodwork to NC state university(at the time only place in NA that was doing this type of test) where able to confirm that there was no live babesia organism in her bloodstream, so the best guess is her mom had and was treated before she was concieved which resulted in the positive but in the end we did confirm that her hyperthernia was by no means a result of some tick disease. she also has Lupus which was the other reason the tick panel and DNA test was needed because treating the Lupus if she has and underlying tick disease could result in the organism multiplying rapidly and she would succomb to the tick disease, so if she had the tick disease would have had to be treated and elminated first if possible which in the case of babesia destroying the micro organisms is often not possible. Newest research has indentified 2 forms of babesia, the one type there is no current cure for. I volunteered with a greyhound adoption group that tested every dog they brought and treated if necessary ...so where my initial education if tick diseases began but expanded on by doing a lot of online research after seeing some dog fight a lose the battle with, and the effects are pretty nasty and permainent damage can be pretty severe if not caught early on. I just want to add the tick disease/dog part in as to show that tick disease may not necessarily be related , though could be in the case if there was an "active" infection occuring. .
Though in Erin's case where damage occured because of a tick disease there may be a link as tick disease can also cause damage to the endocrine system as well causing damage to neurological, immune systems and major organs, which is why she has had to undergo so many different types of tests already but unless doctors are able to come up with someother explanation it may very well be how her body responds to extreme adrenalin and endorphins changes and her partner may have to become more intuned to her physical state to know when to back down much like I have to do with the dog. as well would suggest that Erin or others experience read up on sub drop much as possible as there is info on how to lesson the effects part of which is hydration and diet. for example minimizing carbs and increasing protein including sugary treats et which for me seems to help along with the mood changes I was experiencing later
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RE: Hypothermia after heavy play - 
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and also lies down next to me if He can and adds His body heat to the mix. It all helps! And it feels GOOD too. In the subbie manual that was part of a workshop for new subs, item no. 1 was a subbie blanket! 
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