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cyberdude611 -> Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 12:08:43 AM)

In fact, in 2007, the average temperature of the earth dropped.
However global warming theorists promise we will have record highs within 5 years.

This whole thing is the greatest sham I've ever seen in the scientific community. I just cannot believe so many sheep are being led to this BS. So far, practically everything these theorists predict about global temperatures has been wrong.

So what are these "experts" going to say in 20 years when the earth fails to warm up as they predict? Will they say..."wait until the next 5 years?" I mean this is stupid!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7329799.stm



Hippiekinkster -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 12:16:12 AM)

Zzzzzzzz [sm=sleepy.gif]

From Your Link: "
"When you look at climate change you should not look at any particular year," he said. "You should look at trends over a pretty long period and the trend of temperature globally is still very much indicative of warming."
"La Nina is part of what we call 'variability'. There has always been and there will always be cooler and warmer years, but what is important for climate change is that the trend is up."
Experts at the UK Met Office's Hadley Centre for forecasting in Exeter said the world could expect another record temperature within five years or less, probably associated with another episode of El Nino."

Deceptive much?



cyberdude611 -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 12:19:57 AM)

And they will say the same thing 20 years from now.... This is going to go on and on...

A lot of people meanwhile are making an awful lot of money on this hoax. When Al Gore left the VP position, he was worth $2 million dollars. Guess how much he is worth today? Nearly $100 million and his own carbon footprint is gigantic. The hypocrisy in this whole debate is just unreal.



seeksfemslave -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 1:40:41 AM)

Have I not seen dire predictions for the consequences of global warming to be apparent over the next 50 years?
Yes I have
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/01/0107_040107_extinction.html
quote:

Discussing conditions in 2050
Climate change now represents at least as great a threat to the number of species surviving on Earth as habitat-destruction and modification," said Chris Thomas, a conservation biologist at the University of Leeds in the United Kingdom.


5 years should show a trend if the result is to be clearly visible in 50 years. NO?



meatcleaver -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 1:45:23 AM)

I'm not sure if you read the whole article cyberdude but you seem not to have by your comments.



seeksfemslave -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 2:28:48 AM)

Then there's this...
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2006/2005GL025539.shtml
quote:

These results, while confirming that anthropogenic-added (ie by humans) climate forcing might have progressively played a dominant role in climate change during the last century, also suggest that the solar impact on climate change during the same period is significantly stronger than what some theoretical models have predicted.



seeksfemslave -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 2:41:36 AM)

 
or this
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0210/0210095v1.pdf
quote:

We analyze global surface temperature data obtained at 13472 weatherstations from the year 1702 to 1990. The mean annual temperature of a station fluctuates from year to year by typically  ±0.6 oC (one standard deviation).
Superimposed on this fluctuation is a linear increaseof the temperature by typically  0.40±0.01oC per century ever since reliable data is available, i.e. since 1702 (errors are statistical only,one standard deviation).
The world population has doubled from 1952 to 1990, yet we see no statistically significant acceleration of global warming in this period.
We conclude that the effect of humankind on global warming up to 1990 is 0.0 ± 0.1 oC. Therefore, contrary to popular belief, the data support the view that human activity has had no significant effect on global warming up to the year 1990 covered by this study.



Sanity -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 3:40:07 AM)

Looks like the Jehovah's Witnesses finally have some competition. "Five years, brother. And the end times shall be upon us. Now pass that collection plate. Daddy Gore needs a new Rolls Royce!!!"


quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

And they will say the same thing 20 years from now.... This is going to go on and on...

A lot of people meanwhile are making an awful lot of money on this hoax. When Al Gore left the VP position, he was worth $2 million dollars. Guess how much he is worth today? Nearly $100 million and his own carbon footprint is gigantic. The hypocrisy in this whole debate is just unreal.



meatcleaver -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 3:55:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

Looks like the Jehovah's Witnesses finally have some competition. "Five years, brother. And the end times shall be upon us. Now pass that collection plate. Daddy Gore needs a new Rolls Royce!!!"


quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

And they will say the same thing 20 years from now.... This is going to go on and on...

A lot of people meanwhile are making an awful lot of money on this hoax. When Al Gore left the VP position, he was worth $2 million dollars. Guess how much he is worth today? Nearly $100 million and his own carbon footprint is gigantic. The hypocrisy in this whole debate is just unreal.



I don't know what special interest group you and cyberdude belong to but have you got shares in the oil industry or the defence industries? You both must have close ties to big money because you both seem to be for profits today and fuck the next generation, any problem is theirs.



kittinSol -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 5:42:22 AM)

Good point - it strikes me as odd that those that deny climate change and global warming always seem to be on the right of the political equation. Strange? Surely not: it cannot be a coincidence [8|] .



Loveisallyouneed -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 5:57:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Good point - it strikes me as odd that those that deny climate change and global warming always seem to be on the right of the political equation. Strange? Surely not: it cannot be a coincidence [8|] .


Didn't you know? Truth is exclusively Republican property.

Who knew so many scientists were Democrats and so few Republican?

Any wonder it is exclusively Republicans who push creationism in the schools?

[:D]




Aubre -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 5:58:23 AM)

kittinSol - Al Gore set himself up to make a killing off this. It's one of the biggest money making scams in history. Televangelists couldn't dare dream of making the kind of money he's making, and I'm sure he laughs at his followers all the way to the bank each day.



Archer -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 5:58:34 AM)

We have a ten year cooling trend since 1998.

That's about 1/3 of the time that global warming has even been thought about. (1978-2008) date picked for ease  of calculations, and based on the idea that in the mid-late 70's the threat of a new ice age was still in the news.

Nobody is saying that polution is agreat thing or that we shouldn't do anything about it, the sticking point is about the propaganda vs fact nature of the global warming hysteria. The use of the theory as a bludgeon against the wealthy lends nothing to the argument beyond a class warfare seasoning. In fact the flavor of class warfare tends to take credibility away fromthe theory inmany people's minds.

Yes it stirs up the masses into noticing the "problem" but at the same time it allows folks to dismiss it as just the latest refuge and weapon of the anti capitalists. With the great experiment of communism having failed (Soviet Union) and the smaller versions of it falling (see China, Cuba, opening capitalist markets for new goods and N Korea unable to feed it's people or keep the lights on) the true belivers are now found in the environmentalist ranks.





kittinSol -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 6:05:48 AM)

L'Internationale



Loveisallyouneed -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 6:08:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

This whole thing is the greatest sham I've ever seen in the scientific community.



The ice shelves in Antarctica are not melting away?

The US Navy report that the thickness of the north polar ice is growing thinner is also a hoax?

Care to name the motive behind so many scientists making the same claims?



Loveisallyouneed -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 6:11:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

We have a ten year cooling trend since 1998.

That's about 1/3 of the time that global warming has even been thought about. (1978-2008) date picked for ease  of calculations,



And the evidence from the ice cores drilled out of antarctica and greenland are faked, as they trace global warming back to the industrial revolution?

quote:


Yes it stirs up the masses into noticing the "problem" but at the same time it allows folks to dismiss it as just the latest refuge and weapon of the anti capitalists. With the great experiment of communism having failed (Soviet Union) and the smaller versions of it falling (see China, Cuba, opening capitalist markets for new goods and N Korea unable to feed it's people or keep the lights on) the true belivers are now found in the environmentalist ranks.


Or the old guard anti-communists see communism in anything that affects the profit margin.



seeksfemslave -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 6:34:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol
Good point - it strikes me as odd that those that deny climate change and global warming always seem to be on the right of the political equation. Strange? Surely not: it cannot be a coincidence [8|] .
You made a typo there Kitten, I know you meant in the right.



kittinSol -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 6:38:17 AM)

Believe what you wish; how sweet it must be, to bask in such delusion.



NorthernGent -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 6:46:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Good point - it strikes me as odd that those that deny climate change and global warming always seem to be on the right of the political equation. Strange? Surely not: it cannot be a coincidence [8|] .



'Not odd.

Those on the right tend to aspire to business ideals (a generalisation, yes, but with some merit). It goes without saying that global warming requires collective action; another barrier for the right.

Of course, people on the left and right will hijack global warming and use it as a vehicle for their political agenda.

I'd estimate that most, including myself, do not have the knowledge to lay down an informed opinion.



Archer -> RE: Global temps have not risen since 1998 (4/4/2008 6:48:13 AM)

Loveis,

Actually the antarctic ice sheets are thicking in many places.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/01/020130074839.htm

Ah wonderfull I make a statement that is narrow and you try to drive a train through it.
The true belivers in the communist movement (few as they may be) have in fact moved to the environmentalist movement.
Note that is not to say all environmentalist are communist and that inferance was never made except in your head.

http://home.flash.net/~comvoice/01cRebirth.html

http://www.greenleft.org.au/1999/364/18656

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n38_v13/ai_19969858

So you see it's not just unbacked museings, the fact is the environmentalist moveement has absorbed many of the old communist "true believers", I am mearly pointing out that it has in many minds reduced the credibility of the movement as a whole.
But you go right ahead and shift the context of what I said.



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