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HalloweenWhite -> RE: "Weak/useless/worthless submission" (4/9/2008 3:50:56 AM)

I think they call themselves that because it adds to their feeling submissive-their need to be taken care of, controlled etc, is -because- they are weak.




Corvidae -> RE: "Weak/useless/worthless submission" (4/9/2008 10:40:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: velvetears

It's some peoples kink to feel inferior and to be treated that way, doesn't mean they really are "worthless" or "inferior".  If thinking they are or being called that puts them in a submissive headspace - who are we to judge that?  Just like women who enjoy their doms calling them sluts - doesn't mean they are sluts, it just means that being in that role, even if only in fantasy, turns them on and pushes their buttons. 

well said velvetears!




LostMyself -> RE: "Weak/useless/worthless submission" (4/9/2008 10:43:58 PM)

because.. how does a sub know what to do on their own?




Justme696 -> RE: "Weak/useless/worthless submission" (4/10/2008 3:43:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LostMyself

because.. how does a sub know what to do on their own?


Because they can think?




DeferentialBaby -> RE: "Weak/useless/worthless submission" (4/10/2008 4:17:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Justme696

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ORIGINAL: LostMyself

because.. how does a sub know what to do on their own?


Because they can think?


I doubt very highly that the mind has anything to do with this.

In response to the thread-starter, I imagine many astronauts feel worthless or useless when they're taken off the space programs.  A great many very highly skilled, talented individuals, people utterly dedicated to their line of work, whatever that may be, feel worthless or useless when they can no longer do it. Imagine an artist who loses his "drawing" arm or a mathemetician that suffers a minor brain injury in a car accident that robs her of her ability to think abstractly.  I would wager that a great many people who crave the state of slavery but do not at present have it feel similarly. It can be akin to a vocation and if you are unable to perform that thing that you feel you were made to do, worthless is one of the lighter emotions that you feel.

I think you're also referring to those who eroticize worthlessness. It's akin to humiliation, in my experience, which is another sexual interest of some submissives that is often confusing to those who do not feel it. Feeling very "small" in all ways frees some submissives to worship at the level of intensity they need or desire. Not everyone knows that no matter how "big" you are, there's always someone or something bigger. Or, not everyone who is "big" to begin with has the patience to wait for someone "bigger" to come along. So it's something of an artfice, the worthless pose. You make yourself as low and as worthless as possible because then so many around you are giants in your landscape and worthy of the worship you wish to bestow upon them. When you do this, you aren't particuarly thinking in terms of being useful or desirable to a dominant;  you aren't thinking about what the other wants.   You're thinking about your needs and what will best get them fulfilled.  That's not bad, IMO.  "I want" is  the natural starting point for most submissives and slaves. "You want" comes later, it's an advanced course, so to speak, and it only comes about,  well, at least in practical, non-theoretical terms, via interaction with one's master.






Justme696 -> RE: "Weak/useless/worthless submission" (4/10/2008 8:06:18 AM)

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worthless is one of the lighter emotions that you feel.


perhaps, but the tone of the title thread "weak/useless/worthless" made me think it was meant as really feeling "worhtless" not a submission feature. But your explanation makes sense.




Daddyslilpookie -> RE: "Weak/useless/worthless submission" (4/10/2008 8:29:35 AM)

Nobody is weak and worthless, unless that is what you portray yourself and want to be. I on the other hand wouldn't want to be worthless and weak and useless. My submission has made me strong and with purpose I feel very proud of my submission to my Master it makes me feel whole it is where I belong[:)].




sirguym -> RE: "Weak/useless/worthless submission" (4/10/2008 9:05:21 AM)

My experience is that any relationship I have with a submissive or slave only works well when I respect their qualities and they respect mine.

Some may present themselves as weak, worthless or whatever; but if they really think that, one of my first tasks, to convince them otherwise.

Of course, if I think they really are weak, worthless or whatever; I'll pass by on the other side ... too much trouble.




nastrus -> RE: "Weak/useless/worthless submission" (4/10/2008 9:44:08 AM)

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Jen, if you're talking abouot "lowly worm" emails to a domme from malesubs then it isn't real. It's stuff they've learned watching porn and they really believe that's what real dommes want. They're spouting this to try to get a domme's attention because they believe that anything else won't get him interaction with a real live domme.


That's interesting, since so many female dominant profiles appear to be looking for men who feel their worth is in contributing dollars and accepting what I'd call emotional abuse. I think there are two sides to this issue.




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