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LadyMim -> RE: Canada- Panel my rule if sex practices protected (4/20/2008 8:39:32 PM)

Lord Reptoid got defended by his slave on this board, now let someone put Her thoughts in here who has actually owned him.

I think we can all agree that media tends to compress complicated matters into something mostly unrecognizable, but 'newsworthy' to them. It servers their purpose, so it gets done.

It was completely ok, to speculate about the case as long as the one involved did not comment on it.

No matter if you agree with Lord Reptoid if his treatment by the Vancouver Police was worth going to court for or not, it can be expected from adults that they READ before they COMMENT. It is the intelligent thing to do.

No matter if you personally love or hate Lord Reptoid, if you know anything about him (read his profile, it is long, but it's here), you know that he ALWAYS tells the truth - even if you don't want to hear it - come hell or high water. No one will intimidate him into denying what he knows is the truth. Difficult person to handle and live with? Absolutely! Take his word to the bank? Absolutely! This dragon will defend his honour to the grave, never doubt that for a second.

Another thing is that Lord Reptoid is extremely intelligent as well, so he tends to spot your game before you play it. He has seen it all and he is disgusted by it... a reason why he comes over as arrogant. If you had to deal with a fraction of what he deals with, you would, too.

Now I ask you the question why his slaves adore him so much? Simple. He is one of the most compassionate people I have ever met. Those that support him, get supported by him. But he just does not have the time for the games of the rest. If he is an enigma to you, try not to decode him, you will fail. Leave him alone, the Dragon's wrath is not something to be desired.

You will stand tall, My Lord and even though I do not carry your leash anymore, I will continue to stand behind you.

My light and love are yours,

Lady Mim



YoungWolf -> RE: Canada- Panel my rule if sex practices protected (4/21/2008 12:14:00 AM)

Thanks LadyMim I know we had disagreements in the past but I love what you said here. I feel the same way about Him and he does not deserve to be put down like this. People get to know Him first before you judge like this.



BrigandDoom -> RE: Canada- Panel my rule if sex practices protected (4/24/2008 3:17:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHungryTiger

Gee, for someone so proud of themselves for educating others you sure gave up quick on teaching me .....

Lets see if I have come to understand 'the truth' of what happened.

You were denied a job. Ok, thats a clear cut case of discrimination. There are laws regarding equal employment oportunity so clearly you were discriminated againt ..... oops, no .... you got the job you just didnt get the permit.

Well its still discrimination anyway. being dinied the permit meens you were unavaiable for the job so it still salls under equal employment laws ..... oops, no .... you did get the permit after all. You got it direct from the city mayor.

Ok, will its still discrimination anyway because government forces worked together to conspire againt kinksters. They just fear what they dont understand and all held you in contempt for your who you are ..... oops, no ..... in your own words 'three supreme court justices and several BC civil liberties agents as well as several HRT agents' were all on your side.

Sounds to me like its less a matter of oppression than just running into a lone asshole who was having a grumpy day at his job. But then again, what do I know, Im one of those people who is afraid of what I dont understand.

Tell ya what, when the government surounds your place with swat team members, pumps the building full of ilegal nerve gas, burns it to the ground, and runs over the building with armored tanks, then you can convince me of a government crackdown againt you because you were acused of being a cult. Or when the government sets up perimiter around your place and sends in agents to take away yoru kids, all due to an anomous phone call that later turns out to be false, then you can complain that you are on the reciving end of discrimination because you have been acused of being a cult.

Untill then, get a sense of prespective.


 
Interesting but way off the mark. As with the UK, you'll probably find that in Canada some "open minded people" with degrees in psychology has written a paper which indicates that if your into D/s, BDSM, Paganism etc you could a "deviant" for want of the use of a better word and thus untrustworthy and a danger. This is becoming more and more apparent in the UK in recent years, especially as psychology is now being touted as "science" which it quite clearly isn't but more a set of opinions which may or may not be right. The problem now is that a vocal minority have pushed their views and beliefs as "fact" and thus we are all suffering as a result of it. If you look hard enough in the internet you will find more and more cases of this. Any half decent psychologist is as good as any expensive lawyer in asking a purely innocent question in such a way that your answer will conform with their pre-established beliefs, and if they can not get the subject of their "interview" to agree to their beliefs then that interviewee is in some sort of denial. They used to use these tactics on homosexual men in the UK in the 1950's and 60's to try and prove that they were dangerously deviant, but the laws against engaging in homosexual activties were repealed in 1964.
A lot of those psychologists went on into education and produced a new group of proteges with the same flawed perspectives on life and we are now having to put up with them and the next generation trained by the trainees. I've found through my job that these people all "sign from the same hymn sheet" and they are never wrong!
Until someone in a position of authority finally puts a stop to this abuse then we as lifestyle group will suffer discrimination, injustice and prosecutions.



TheHungryTiger -> RE: Canada- Panel my rule if sex practices protected (4/24/2008 4:55:00 PM)

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If you look hard enough in the internet you will find more and more cases of this.
Ya know? I hear that quite a bit ..... dont guess you would bother listing them or are you going to give the same 'Im not goign to do yoru research for you' or 'just google it' responces I normaly get when I ask people for examples ...... Same goes for that evil psychologist that you just ~know~ is out there conducting a smear campaign againt kink even though you dont bother listing any nor cite the paper that has suposiably been writen.

How about SuicideGirls gettign closed down because of preasure due to the new 'porn squad'?

Or maybee you would like to quote the new american atorny general when he vows that he will crack down hard on 'mainstream obscenity'?

The Rosemont Manor 'crackdown'? The MissAnn raid? The shutdown of Gwenmedia? The proposition of a .xxx top level domain name? Georga banning genetal piercing? The San Deigo six?

What story you wanting to pull out that dosent have any factualy basis that gets mindlessly repeated over and over and over and over and over by people wanting desperatly to ~prove~ that the big bad boogie-man in the government is out to get us all? Or arte you just going to continue to say 'the proof is all around us' without ever citing an actual example?

For peets sake dude, even the Longhurts case isnt about the evil opresive politicians who all hate sex trying to stop anything difrent than them. Longhursts grandmaw just wont shut up untill something is done. So the politicians are takign somethign thats already againt the law and making it more againt the law to give longhursts grandmaw somethign to hang her hat on. If the politicians all have an agenda to push like you claim, dont you think they woudl have taken care if it in less than the 4 years this all has been draging on?

Hey chicken little, wake me up when the sky actualy DOES fall.



BrigandDoom -> RE: Canada- Panel my rule if sex practices protected (4/24/2008 5:13:55 PM)

As I'm on the otherside of the Atlantic I have no idea or to be perfectly honest any interest in what goes on in Canada & the US. However, neither do I claim that it is a government conspiracy, nor have I ever and if you had read the thread through that is painfully apparent. Look up www.safari-uk.org which deals with helping people genuinely accused of criminal acts. I see and deal with people day after day who are accused of all sorts of things, some quite vile. However, it is becoming increasingly apparent that more and more are innocent of the crimes they are accused of but are being found guilty by laws designed to convict irrespective of whether the accused is guilty or innocent. This is not a conspiracy, but laws created by politicians to make them look good to the media and there is nothing more than a good journalist or newspaper editor or owner likes than to make the legislators dance to their tune! It's a fact of life, Orson Wells protrayed in excellently in Citizen Kane. The problem lies with the psychologists and others with an agenda who jump on to the bang wagon and are unfortunately listened to. So it's not some big conspiracy, just piss poor weak government! Thats where we all need the authority to be stamped to get the house in order.



TheHungryTiger -> RE: Canada- Panel my rule if sex practices protected (4/24/2008 5:39:31 PM)

Still not quoting any examples or stats ..... just repeating that you just ~know~ that things are gettign worse and worse and we are headed for disastar.

I have heard doomsday predictions for over ten years now. The 'blue ribbion campign' was sending dire warnings that the government will have total oriwelian control over the people by the end of the week if we all dotn do something right this minute to stop them. I have yet to see any 'opresion' that is even a tenth of the smear campaign againt smokers or gun owners. For crying out loud, there is more government crackdown on baseball than there is on kink.

You may want to hide under the bed from a 'piss poor weak government' that you just know is crushing poor helpless kinksters under an unjust system. Or blame a press out of control even though they pay more attention to jonbenet ramsey than they do Taylor Summers ..... but Im not egitostical enough to think that everythign that happens is because of me and my sexual orientation.



BrigandDoom -> RE: Canada- Panel my rule if sex practices protected (4/24/2008 5:49:44 PM)

You need to read whats being said because your reply has absolutely no corloation to my post?? Do actually bother reading whats said or are you trying to read something into it thats patently not there?? I believe you have other issues that you need to address, and irrespective of my mis-trust in some parts of the psychology profession I think a few long sessions with a good shrink would help you remove your head from your arse!



TheHungryTiger -> RE: Canada- Panel my rule if sex practices protected (4/24/2008 6:02:42 PM)

Flamewar rule number 137 : When you cant give any evedince to suport your case, instead acuse the poster of being mentaly unbalanced.



ResidentSadist -> RE: Canada- Panel my rule if sex practices protected (4/26/2008 1:08:17 AM)

nice post,,,, you go Canada!



MasterBlueTiger -> RE: Canada- Panel my rule if sex practices protected (4/26/2008 11:04:22 AM)

I come from a conservative family and I have seen the intolerance born of ignorance. Politicians may not even beleive what their saying but it plays into what is commonly accepted. I am new to the lifelstlye, having only realised my interest around a year ago, but  I think this issue is one that needs to be dealt with. People need to be shown the truth. The problem is that most of the media reports I hear involving sexuality in general, not just lifestylers, is negative. People read this and develope equally negative opinions of such things.
I would not have known what to do under such situations as what happened to Lord Reptoid, but it is nice to see that somone does and that they are doing something about it. It sounds to me as if he is an actual activist, not somone who just sits by and complains when life doesn't go his way. For that I salute you.

Hungy Tiger, I get the distinct impression that you are talking from experience. I also gather that experience was something bad. I can only hope that things work out better for you in the future.



TheHungryTiger -> RE: Canada- Panel my rule if sex practices protected (4/26/2008 2:22:53 PM)

Yep, mutiple times .....

My first real parting of the ways was when I attended Leather Retreat back in 2002. Now Nerve Magazing is hardly a fundementalist christian front group. Its the MTV of online-mags. Always trying to prove how hip and edgy and with it they are by portraing alternitive sexualities in a positive light. But the instant the Leather Retreat article made it to print people in the alt sex comunity were screaming about how those evil right wingers were the source of all social ills. The times I tried to argue it I get called clueless and unifformed.

I have also had several problems with my website (see sig file). On two seperate ocations I have had my credit card processing company drop me. This usualy spurs on sympathetic coments about how the 'evil right wingers' just want to opress anything and everythign that has to do with sex and will use the credit card companys as a tool untill all alternitive sexuality is wiped from the face of the earth. But my company getting droped has little to do with sex and a lot to do with weapontry. They claimed I was selling assault weapons. It wasent the anti-sex right that caused me headaches. It was the anti-gun left. Yet I again get called uninformed and if I would only 'read up on the facts' that i would see that its the right causing the trouble, not the left.

I also was tracking for a long time the hemp ag bill in north dakota. Hemp rope is one of the items I sell and I would have loved to sell american grown hemp. But the bill fell apart. When it did, here again came the cries about how the evil right wingers were destroying everythign difrent than them. But the guy who wrote the bill was the republician assastant majority leader. Both people who were issued permits were regestared republicans. It all happened in red-state north dakota. And the way the bill finaly failed was because it went to the courts. I even had the state ag sectary tell me once on the phone 'This whole thign could have workd if Woody Haralson would have just shut up and gone away'. So whats the reaction by the alt-sex comunity? Blame the right wing christians and suggesting that they take the case to court. I try and explain difrently and once again get called uninformed and not knowing the facts.

And this is just the stuff that happened to me directly. I watch stuff going on around me and see canada ban the Marketplace books, not because of the christian right but because of the militant feminist left. Black rose is shut down on trumpted up liqure licens charges in a city that has been controled by the democrats for 150 years.

The perfect example is SuicideGirls. They sue another company because of model copyright contracts. Someone gets on the phone and screams 'We have been robed! Send the police'. So they send the police and when they show up then suicide girls posts a note to their front page screaming about how opresed they were becauser the police just came and 'raided' them. The notion of an alt-sex group being shut down by an out of control porn-squad of the Bush dictatorship is a myth that was debunked by suicide girls OWN SPONCER. http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/28/suicide-girls-rumord.html Yet I run into people on a regular basis that still use suicid girls as ~proof~ that the evil right wing chiritians are out to destroy us all.

The whole thign is amazingly counterproductive. The pro-sex political activists and the anti-sex political activists are not oposites. Its like the dove activists and the hawk activists. You never see a huge anti-war protests in the middle of peace time. Neither do you see huge suport-the-troup rallys in peace time either. The two groups rise together. The two groups fall together. The same is tryu on the alt-sex debate and is obvious to anyone who examines history . The Marquis de Sade was imprisioned at the same time when his books were best sellers. Fatty arbucle was smeared by the press and had his carrer ruined on a false acusation at the hight of the sex-positive flapper era.

If the alt sex comunity all groups together to 'fight' againt the precived threat of the christian right, the only thing that will acomplish is to have them say 'Oh sweet jesus! They are orgnizing together to destroy us. We have to orgnise ourselves and destroy them before they destroy us.' Claiming there is a ~gay adgenda~ againt them. And the alt sex comunity sees them grouping together and says 'On fuck! they are orgnizing together to destroy us. We have to orgnize ourselves and destroy them before they destroy us.' Claiming there is a christian plot againt them. They feed off each other. Both growing stronger.

The solution is not to vote in oure ~side~ and vote out their ~side~. The solution is just to shut up our own damn selves and stop crying about victimhood on every minor problem that pops up.



MasterBlueTiger -> RE: Canada- Panel my rule if sex practices protected (4/26/2008 3:34:47 PM)

I hear ya. I can attest that not all christians are bad, having been raised one. I have even seen sight links for christian based BDSM dating. I will admit that as far as my immediate community most are close minded and afraid. They are not bad, just ignorant. Whenever a conversation starts to go the way of "Gays are bad and an abomination in the eyes of God!" or something similar I enjoy quoting some scripture "Love your enemies."[:D]

Although I know there are some good ones still out there I have generally given up on those I have grown up with and gone my own way.



TheHungryTiger -> RE: Canada- Panel my rule if sex practices protected (4/26/2008 8:47:33 PM)

Just for the record, Im a practicing discordian and have been for over a decade. Its not that I take a personal offence to christian bashing. Its just that talk like 'the evil christians who control all the media' and 'the evil christians who control the government' and 'the evil christians who want to destroy everythign difrent them them' I hold in the same regard as 'the evil jews who control all media, run the government, and want to destroy everything difrent than them'

And I find it to be counterproductive. If a single lone guy at a license bureau acts like a dick, the only thing that will happen if you take that event and blow it out of porportion making it sound like viticimization is to give amunition to the Fred Phelps of the world. Now when they claim there is a 'gay agenda', they can back it up by pointing to court cases that should have been no big deal but the 'gay agenda' uses the situation to push for political change.

They see us unnessasaraly trying to push social change uppon others by force of law, and they redouble their efforts to make sure government supports them instead. Then we see them lobying government and we redouble our efforts to lobby back to stop them. Then they lobby harder to stop us. Then we lobby harder to stop them. Round and round it goes.



PANKRATIO -> RE: Canada- Panel my rule if sex practices protected (6/6/2008 8:37:17 PM)

I'm sorry the post has gotten cold, I should have come in earlier,

Government conspiracies against kinksters, o tigerly one, are few and far between. Kinksters, swingers, or people who have extra-marital sex (depending on how far back you go) have always been welcomed into all sorts of jobs, public offices, etc, just so long as they never admit to anything 'improper'. Lifestylers, on the other finger, who tend to express the myriad aspects of their identities if they see fit to do so, are the ones being discriminated against here.

My dickie olde chum Reptoid here can certainly, from an aesthetic view in the personal sense, look as normal as anyone. He's clean cut, amicable, great with people, and has a fantastic speaking voice both in person and amplified. The subtle expression, however, in/on his person, which takes the form of livery, conversation, a few elegant pieces of jewelry and the way he holds himself; this, on the surface, is what separates him from John Doe.

If we delve deeper, or, better yet, for brevity's sake use the above aesthetic as a microcosm of the whole person, we'll find a theme. He's a man, like you and I, roughly 20 digits on his limbs, eyes on the front, ears on the sides, etc. In addition to covering the basics, we can define him by his actions: he leads an interesting lifestyle and is never two ways about it. While the subject matter may be different, a private conversation will him will reveal precisely the same person as a public announcement. He acts, both in public and private, in a respectful manner and goes out of his way never to harm anyone.

It is this consistency of character, a virtue in my books, that this man fights for the right to adhere to. You don't need to care, not if your leather life can be switched off, or hidden in the closet. That's why the only mention of 'kinksters' by Reptoid was as a peripherally beneficiary class. This HRT case is about lifestylers of a particular lifestyle, not hobbyists of a particular hobby.

Mes deux sous



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