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Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding slave contracts?

Yes (i am a dom)

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Yes (i am a sub)

52% (21)

No (i am a dom)

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No (i am a sub)

10% (4)

undecided (i am a dom)

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undecided (i am a sub)

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Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding slav... - 7/19/2004 2:34:23 PM

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Should slaves be able to freely submit to legally binding slave contracts?

these contracts would be negotiated between the sub and dom, could be temperary or permanent, and might or might not incorperate limits and safewords.

These contracts would secure a master's ownership, and protect him from being sued or arrested.

RE: Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding ... - 7/19/2004 5:02:32 PM

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Define "legally binding" please.

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RE: Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding ... - 7/19/2004 5:17:55 PM

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legally binding meaning the master can do anything to the slave under the contract without threat from the law and that if the contract says so the master doesnt have to release the slave

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RE: Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding ... - 7/19/2004 5:24:48 PM

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I just read the OP profile.

Death is limit only for the first year?

I hope your profile is a joke, because if its not, you really have a lot of issues to work out.

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RE: Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding ... - 7/19/2004 6:02:31 PM

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legally binding meaning the master can do anything to the slave under the contract without threat from the law and that if the contract says so the master doesnt have to release the slave

I suspect that since slavery is illegal in the United States, Europe, and Canada, and many other places, that a "legally binding slavery contract" would not be worth the
paper it was printed on in the legal systems of the aforementioned countries.

Just my opinion, could be wrong.

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RE: Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding ... - 7/19/2004 6:13:07 PM

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You can't legally sell yourself into slavery... so while it might make punishment in a court issue less severe, I don't think it would make much difference when it comes right down to it.

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RE: Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding ... - 7/19/2004 6:48:59 PM

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personaly as a slave i believe it should be a decison of the parties involved. If both parties wished to have such a binding contract I believe it could be written in a way which would stand up without mentioning the BDSM lifestyle It could be a legal contract written up in a business form. That is my opinion, perhaps i am wrong. Master and i are in the process of rewriting mine and it will be more binding at my request.

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RE: Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding ... - 7/19/2004 7:03:44 PM

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i mean would you support a law legalizing such contracts

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RE: Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding ... - 7/19/2004 10:30:24 PM

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Uh...

There are no legally binding slave contracts.

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RE: Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding ... - 7/19/2004 10:43:21 PM

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ok, i'm not sure about the whole legal issues here, but i do feel it is a good topic to discuss upon.

i as a slave do feel that a contract is necessary between a Master/Mistress and His/Her slave. for one, it holds the slave to what she has committed to, and it's a safeguard with the One she serves. this is just a slave's opinion, she could be wrong.

with a contract, the slave has no right to say, 'i didn't know' or 'You never said that' At least with the contract it's all put in black and white for Aall to see.

i would prefer a contract at least until i got to know my Master better, and after the month or year is up, go over what i've learned as a slave and ponder the signing of the next month's or year's contract.

again, the thoughts of a mere slave girl.......

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RE: Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding ... - 7/20/2004 10:08:42 AM

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I support contracts at the begining of relationships. I do not support legally binding contracts, because I believe that if at any point the ability to remove consent and walk away is removed, the relationship becomes imoral (IN MY EYES).

I think that the key to a dominance and submission relationship is that both parties can end the relationship when they see fit. That allows the submisive to submit out of a desire to please/love for her owner/whatever but NOT out of fear of repercusions. I don't believe that submission through fear (actual fear, not play fear of punishment or consensual fear etc) should ever be legal.

Also, if slave contracts were to be legal, there'd be some tricky situations. If someone is coerced into signing a legal slave contract, they'd virtually have no recourse. To say "I was threatneed to make me sign this" has less effect if the contract you're signing allows you to be beaten/hurt/marked/changed/bred/etc

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RE: Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding ... - 7/20/2004 11:05:10 AM

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quote:

i mean would you support a law legalizing such contracts

I would actively work to prevent passage of a law legalizing slave contracts.

Enslaving a willing person within the lifestyle is rather enjoyable. Enslaving the unwilling to me is not.

I agree with perverseangelic. I do not want to force somebody to be with me who does not want to be with me. I see no good outcomes from a law such as this, and the history of mankind from time immemorial to very modern show what happens to individuals (primarily women) who are unable to walk away.

Just my opinion, could be wrong.

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RE: Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding ... - 7/20/2004 11:43:10 AM

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I'm all for contracts. I don't use em, but hey if it makes your experience better by all means enjoy.

Having said that, if we give people the 'right' to voluntarily relinquish their rights in society, we are de facto giving them the right to absolve themselves of legal and moral responsibility as well.

A history lesson - a slave cannot vote. A slave cannot enter into legally binding contracts. A slave cannot break their own slavery. A slave has NO recourse under the law if they are beaten, raped, or even murdered. A slave is not usually jailed for their transgressions - their owner is responsible for financial damage, etc.

I've some pretty strong feelings on this topic that I don't think are healthy for public consumption - but I will say that fantasies are great, beause they enhance our reality - not replace it!

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RE: Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding ... - 7/20/2004 12:27:06 PM

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I think the question being asked is
would you vote to have concensual slavery contracts legal
not ones that are unconsensual. We all know that is illigal
I beleive in contracts both written and documented. Unfortunatly
the good ol verbal one or hand shake just doesnt hold up anymore
because the values and honor of most have been watered down
and do not hold as much value as they once did.
but 4 the concensual adults there are many ways and contracts
to make one allmost totally enslaved to another in the forms
of work contracts and monitary control contracts and power
of attorneys and such ect ect ect. And of course this is only
speaking about the US as there are many other countrys whom
have different practices and thoughts on such a issue. That is
why prenuptuals where devised because when one marries they
in essance are binded by a contract of * concensual enslavemen
to one another* for a better word for life and thats binding in all
aspects of their living. Why do you think there are so many whom
want to be accepted for that same right to marraige ? Its that Ownership
and being Owned thru marraige and having the rights in that position
that all people want and desire on different levals. You can go
to the link below and go to the slavery section to read sum interesting
works of fact.

UNCONCENSUAL LEGAL SLAVERY IN THE US LEARN THE TRUTHS

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RE: Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding ... - 7/20/2004 12:32:45 PM

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I don't think any politician in their right mind would introduce legislation allowing legally binding slavery. They would have so many groups up in arms against them there would have to be a lineup to get a piece of their sorryassed hide.

This won't ever happen, the contracts that do exist won't ever hold up in a court of law unless they are written as a prenup agreement dealing with assets, income and custody. The BDSM aspects would never fly in a court.

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RE: Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding ... - 7/20/2004 1:17:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyShoshin
This won't ever happen, the contracts that do exist won't ever hold up in a court of law unless they are written as a prenup agreement dealing with assets, income and custody. The BDSM aspects would never fly in a court.

I think it depends on what you mean by fly. Certainly no U.S. court would ever uphold a slavery contract where the slave wanted out, but all sorts of contracts are made for all sorts of things and courts usually just stay out of it.

On the flip side, contracts that are duly processed can certainly be used as evidence in a rape or abuse trial. To have someone clearly sign a document in which they turn over their right to say no, while not leagally binding, could certainly create some reasonable doubt at the very least.

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RE: Should slaves be able to submit to legally binding ... - 7/20/2004 1:49:27 PM

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Would a contract relieve the slave of any responsibility of what happens after signing? Does the contract give you "permission" to act on your fantasies? Is it a case of "It's not my fault, that bad man (or woman) made me do it"?
I always thought a contract was to protect both parties. But if you're open to anything, then why would there be a need for a contract?

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