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ididabadbadthing -> What's a switch to do? (4/13/2008 11:22:25 AM)

Among the many things I'm trying to understand is the role of the switch in bdsm. (Obviously, I have a personal interest here). Some have commented that the switch in the bdsm world occupies a space similar to that of the bisexual in the gay and lesbian world. If you're thoroughly dominant, or thoroughly submissive, a switch may seem like nothing but potential trouble. The switch may be satisfied to take one role with you for awhile - but what happens when the switch flips? Do you take on a role you don't want? Does the switch leave you, cheat on you, insist that your relationship go poly? What are the possible answers to this conundrum (in no particular order):

(1) Switches are just confused or - a term I learned her and really like - "vanilla twists". They're not really dominant or submissive, they just like to switch it up from time to time - but deep down they're vanilla. Or, in another version of this view, each switch is really naturally submissive or dominant, and just hasn't figured it out.

(2) Everyone is really a switch at heart, they just don't know it yet. This is the opposite of the previous view, and of course it's a very flattering view if you're a switch. You do find a bit of this view among non-switches; some believe that to be a good dominant you first have to have experience as a sub, if only in an initial training period.

(3) Switches really are a distinct group, and switches should probably pair off with switches. That's the difference, after all, between being a switch and being a bisexual - you're not limited by gender dimorphism. You're more like the characters in Ursula Le Guin's novel, The Left Hand of Darkness, who can assume either gender at will. The problem is that, at any given time, both switches may want to be dominant or submissive. I've had the experience of being almost wholly dominant for an extended period of time, as well as being almost wholly submissive for an extended period of time, as well as times when I don't know which way I'll wake up in the morning. This may create real problems of synchronicity for switch couples. At the very least, the negotiation will be intense, and at worst there may be long periods of irreconcilable desires.

(4) So maybe the answer is to simply stop pairing off? Perhaps each switch should procure his/her own copy of "The Ethical Slut" and participate in extended networks of other polyamorous pervs. My experience of polys, though, is that it's much harder to apply "The Ethical Slut" in practice than it is on the page. Jealousy doesn't go away, some people may really want to have an exclusive partner and go along with poly in order not to be alone, integrating new people is always intense, etc.

(5) So if orthodox polyamory is an unstable marriage of sluttery and the conventional norms of paired couples, perhaps the solution is unethical sluttery? I don't mean cheating here - I mean anonymous sex - the sort of no-holds-barred sexual liberation that had a certain hold in the gay community before the AIDS crisis. If it was good enough for Michel Foucault, after all....

So, you can see I don't have any answers. Every answer just raises more questions. Feel free to throw in your $.02!




PrettyPaddles -> RE: What's a switch to do? (4/13/2008 11:34:32 AM)

Everyone is different.  Even among switches, there is a range of mostly doms that like to be topped now and then, to submissives that get a thrill from once and a while being in control.  Simply put, there is no right answer.  For some, only pairing with other switches is the right answer.  I married mine, and have been very happy ever since.  For some of my exes, poly was right for them, and I will state right now, me being monogamous and my partner being poly, and having other partners besides me has NEVER been a problem for me, or the cause of a break up.  But I'm the rarity there, as I see it happen a lot. The most stable switch poly I've ever seen was a trio with a sub, a dom, and a switch, so the varieties of what they did was pretty endless. They broke up, but becuase of the relationship itself, in the way that relationships do, that had nothign to do with their bdsm lifestyle. 




Aneirin -> RE: What's a switch to do? (4/13/2008 12:38:50 PM)

My personal belief is that labels are just plain misleading to start with and people do change, so why bother with them. If there was a description on this site to choose other than the three already there that said ' Just Kinky' , that would be me, anthything else can be found out later

Just keep an open mind to all possibilities and see where you go




chamberqueen -> RE: What's a switch to do? (4/13/2008 1:14:51 PM)

In my own humble opinion, and from the hundreds of emails I've received, I think that number 2 is the closest.  Not everyone has switch in them, but I can't count how many emails I've gotten from Doms telling me that they have a tiny submissive side and would like to hand themselves over to a Mistress once in a while.  It is much harder to hand yourself to your sub in a case like that - a person likes to keep the lines drawn.

I have used the example of switches being like bisexuals.  I don't believe it means that you are one or the other and currently confused - I think that it is that you are open to both. 

Right now, in my own life, I get my greatest fulfillment from being a slave.  However, my Master has given me the task of once again becoming an online (only) Domme so that I have a greater appreciation for how much it means to me to be a slave.  Do I enjoy topping others?  Yes - I love to teach and encourage, to bring out the best in people, to help them to accept and love every bit of who they are and enjoy the attention and appreciation that I get.  Is it enough to make me feel fulfilled?  No.  I get my truest fulfillment from being a slave.  Am I confused about how I feel?  Not at all.  I have the best of both worlds, and fooey on the people who tell me that I should get out of the lifestyle until I figure out what I really want.  I have it.




midgetmafiosa -> RE: What's a switch to do? (4/13/2008 1:16:16 PM)

I'm solidly a switch. I could never commit to being domme or sub. Ultimately, I'll probably be happiest with another switch, yes. Doesn't mean I don't have interest in other people, though, or that they don't have interest in me. Also, I'm monogamous, unless the situation is a pre-existing condition (i.e. when you walk into an existing relationship that I'm in, or one that they are in.) I don't seek out poly situations. Other people's notions of what a switch is are irrelevant to me. I know who I am and what I'm looking for. If it's not for you, why do you need to define it so badly?




tebe12345 -> RE: What's a switch to do? (4/13/2008 2:45:26 PM)

The ways people are switches changes, too. For example, I would never be interested in any form of poly, even though I like switching up dominant and sub roles pretty often with my boyfriend. On the other hand, I know some people only switch in that they are one role with specific people and usually another. I think that people who aren't switches have a little of the other inside them because everyone's human, and we all feel emotions that link to both every day; anyone who's curious probably will have noticed and responded to that, but that doesn't necessarily mean they want to do anything besides experimenting. As much as I think some are just basically experimental vanillas, I think you can find that within all of the other "labels" too. It's really just a way of clumping your characteristics together and picking what's closest.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: What's a switch to do? (4/13/2008 9:09:19 PM)

There is no conundrum. I am me. It's a simple as that, really.

Master Fire




FunAndPains -> RE: What's a switch to do? (4/13/2008 11:02:52 PM)

I'd say, for me, the suckiest part of being a switch is when you get into a relationship with someone who is solidly D or s one way or the other.  It's almost like a part of me goes unfulfilled, and that's probably (definately) caused issues in the past.  I guess that points to your #3.




impossiblesub -> RE: What's a switch to do? (4/23/2008 2:30:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ididabadbadthing

(2) Everyone is really a switch at heart, they just don't know it yet. This is the opposite of the previous view, and of course it's a very flattering view if you're a switch. You do find a bit of this view among non-switches; some believe that to be a good dominant you first have to have experience as a sub, if only in an initial training period.



Probably true, although exactly what will be neccessary to get someone to go from sub to switch could differ and you can probably never get some people to go from Dom to switch.
Just consider for a moment, we are all submissive to this invisible entity named Society to a certain extent.




Domnslv4Pleasure -> RE: What's a switch to do? (8/27/2008 9:21:47 PM)

I prefer to be totally submissive with my Master. I prefer to be totally Dominant with everyone else.




PassionMistress1 -> RE: What's a switch to do? (9/15/2008 8:21:24 PM)

wow this was really informative..a little bit more to understanding myself....really informative to me....thankss[8D]




E2Sweet -> RE: What's a switch to do? (9/15/2008 8:35:52 PM)

As a switch, I'm not sure I fit anywhere in that list. I don't believe I would really enjoy D'ing and s'ing to the same person, as that would be a bizarre see-saw of the power dynamic. I would probably just have to find one partner to sub to (working on that now) and then later perhaps find another to "D" if that inkling comes back to me.

At this point in time though, it's really hard to say as I'm totally inexperienced as a sub. I suspect my opinions will in fact change as I being to actually indulge in the "s" side and proceed to analyze the events that unfold and my feelings... I wonder, does that make me confused?...[:)]




JessieMe -> RE: What's a switch to do? (9/16/2008 7:54:04 PM)

For me..I cannot be in a relationship with another switch. It doesnt work for me because my mindset is such that if I submit to you, I could not change my thought process to top. And if I am Dominating you, then I would never let you have the upper hand with me or I could not function as a D.

My dynamic is very much a control issue. If I were with another switch and they decided they needed to flip the dynamic..it would not be pretty. [>:]




nd601 -> RE: What's a switch to do? (9/17/2008 12:24:19 AM)

I've bookmarked this thread, and will visit upon it at a time i don't feel so sleepy. please don't construe this as an attack on the interest level of your OP - i've been traveling. just want to say points i've been thinking about points 1, 2 and 3 and would be glad to hear other views on the subject (before i provide me own and dazzle all you losers, ha ha hahah)(jk) . also, i wanted to point out how infinitely more interesting life because of switching is made simply because there's so much more to ponder - so much more to explore within yourself and find what you truly want.




beltainefaerie -> RE: What's a switch to do? (9/17/2008 9:35:27 AM)

I don't believe that everyone is a switch or that we haven't picked a side yet.  I believe that some of us are switches, some are dominants and some submissives.  I do think it is possible to be a switch and end up in a committed monogamous relationship as one side or the other, just a I believe bisexuals can end up in stable monogamous relationships.  I don't think switches need to be with switches or need to be poly any more than bisexuals need to.

That said, I am a poly bisexual switch and it does work quite well for me.  It isn't a situation I strove to create, but just the way my life evolved.  I am primarily submissive and wouldn't go crazy if I had to stay that way permanently. I don't know if most switches eventually have a need to switch.  For me it just happens occasionally because I have space in which to do it. Really, I sort of wish there was another word.  I don't turn off my submissiveness and turn on dominance.  I never stop being my Master's sub, but because I happen to be controlling someone else at the time.  I was in a monogamous hetrerosexual relationship for 6 years and I didn't stop being bisexual, I simply limited my activities. When we decided to open our relationship to others, the activities changed and I was able to have sex with women again.  I guess my point is that our attractions and impulses may stay, whether we are choosing to act on them or not and the actions are a choice. I don't stop being submissive merely because I am also dominant.  It really is just the actions that change.  I am always still me.  In my life, my husband is vanilla and our companion is another primarily submissive switch.  I occasionally am dominant with her and she is occasionally dominant with me.   I have at various times had 2 other submissives and one other dom. 

IMHO, anonymous sex is not a solution to a problem, it is a way to bring all kinds of diseases into your relationship. 

I hope this rambling makes sense.  New little one means I'm not getting muuch sleep.




stubbywantsIget -> RE: What's a switch to do? (9/26/2008 9:09:48 PM)

i personally like to be dominated by those i have feelings for... but if its just friends n play.. i WANT to be incharge... that is why i call myself a switch... cuz i can do both parts. to let my self be "owned" as me n my love call it... im totally giving myself to that person. which is hard for me to do. so its my way of showing my deepest love to that person... but if its just play or friends.. i want to be in charge n have fun n be dominating.

i hope that makes some sense for those who wonder about certain peeps.. its really a personal reason n choice as to why anyone would take up any sort of label. we label things so we can better undertand who n what we are. why we give our selves names, give objects name.. even why we call our pets names... lol.. or some just call them dog.. or cat.. but still its a name. a label.

stop fessing over the label n look deep into urself as to why ur the way u r. enjoy ur uniqueness.. its what makes u beautiful!!!




pdv99 -> RE: What's a switch to do? (9/29/2008 12:52:25 PM)

Everybody's different to everybody else.
Differences are a part of what makes relationships fun.
Labels are crude generalisations.
Most people change over time.

But for me, up to now, I've been sub with some people and Dom with others. Sometimes serially, one relationship then another. Currently with 2 different individuals.
I think it would be good to find another switch because I think I'd enjoy the varying power dynamic....."My turn now!!!" - the knowledge that wherever I took things, sooner or later it would be me in the other role...
And though I don't believe in astrology, I guess I'm a typical Gemini.....tho sometimes I'm not so sure ;)




westside -> RE: What's a switch to do? (9/30/2008 10:07:47 AM)

Interesting - I think a switch is both a sub and a dom, and enjoys both roles -- and might be more fun having played both!!




xXLithiumXx -> RE: What's a switch to do? (10/5/2008 6:00:10 PM)

I am a switch, married to a Dominant, and own a female submissive. I dont have sex with the sub, tho I have at the insistance of mine, and find that it wasnt what I wanted. Bi, really isnt about the sex as much to me as the mental stimulation of what could be done. I find that in order to be a good Domme, which I think I am, as does my girl, I am best when I have had my submissive side fed to some degree. When mine is on hiatus as he has been these past few months, I find that I am not as....well..on point. I am some what listless and I dont feel very happy with myself and that effects the way I am as a Domme. I tend to be more intense and cruel, and I tend to push her harder.

Do I miss my dominant. I miss the intensity that we had. Do I think I will seek another Dominant? No. I dont submit to just anyone, and its taken me a long time to have that trust in him. Its taken me a long time to be able to give myself over to that feeling I get when I know he is working my mind and body as a Dominant. Will I just give up? I think I will. I dont see the reason to push him if it isnt what he wants. Slowly that part of me will probably die, and I will keep my mouth shut about it.

Tho, I have to say I kind of held a certain pride in myself that I was able to work both sides effectivly.

Oh well.




lunar7 -> RE: What's a switch to do? (10/27/2008 11:12:04 PM)

i think most often it's the answer 3. and you will have to really get to know the fellow switch you find (if you wanna stick mono) so that you can really enjoy the good times with them, test waters on any given night to see if both parties will feel their side of the D/s, or are willing to even switch it up in the same night. you have to find someone playful and creative enough to get the most out of it.

and this is why i think switches can have a harder time hooking up because they are looking for a level of flexibility people don't have. most people have a hard enough time figuring out how much they are missing beyond the vanilla of non BD.. (SM in the heavy aspects being a bit too much for me I'll admit), and then they'd have to go even further to understand the real joy of the *psychological* aspects of Dom space and sub space, to see finally that maybe that being a real switch is right for them. to be as good a Dom or sub as any exclusive D or s out there, and yet still be able to go back to that balanced point of potentially swinging either way on absolutely any given night.

That's a level of flexibility i'll continue to try to find forever, i'll never give up, because i know with the right person it will lead to the most amazing experiences for both - that's the flexibility of two real switches who click hooking up.

and i know it's the rarest thing which is so frustrating...




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