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TMJ... - 4/20/2008 9:16:20 PM   
MissAngelandsub


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I have TMJ and was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to deal with the stiffness and the pain that can happen with it. I try to stretch it but it just ends up feeling all tight again the next day.
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RE: TMJ... - 4/20/2008 9:26:17 PM   
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Cali posted some really great exercises in the "Dear Cali" thread awhile back. I'm not a great linker, sorry. Also, the single best thing for me has been wearing a nighttime bite guard. They are usually custom and made by your dentist, but if that's a cost issue for you (most insurance won't cover it), there are some over-the-counter ones that can be heat molded. Beyond that, stop chewing gum if you do currently. The mouth guard sure ain't sexy (unless your partner likes drool), but it really keeps headaches and pain at bay. Also -while your jaw is re-aligning, wearing the bite guard may be uncomfortable. Sometimes it gets worse before it gets better.

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RE: TMJ... - 4/20/2008 9:35:03 PM   
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well on the thread about the tooth problems someone is experiencing I asked for some help on finding a free dentist in TN I don't have any insurance right now and probably won't for awhile I have some cavities that need taken care of too its just finding someone that can help for cheap or close to it. I had a nightguard thing that really made me want to gag because I am not use to having something like that in my mouth couldn't sleep with it in if I did fall asleep I would wake up with the thing somewhere under the covers from where I had taken it out while asleep. I read somewhere about how you can do some sort of massage thing to loosen up the muscles and relax the jaw to help with the TMJ. I also wonder if the tooth problems I have could be causing more pain since it seems to have gotten worse lately.

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RE: TMJ... - 4/20/2008 9:40:59 PM   
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massaging the muscles around the jaw does help. the tooth problems you are having could be causing additional pain- i don't know, i'm not a dentist. with the mouthguard, yes they take some getting used to. i used to spit mine out at night, too. getting one to fit is paramount to success with it, i think. for me, my #1 priority is my health, and unfortunately, where most of my money goes. so i understand your trepidation about investing in something costly that might not work for you.

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RE: TMJ... - 4/20/2008 9:51:00 PM   
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I really just want to find a cheap dentist that could possibly tell me how to massage my jaw or show me. Or just yank the dang teeth out back there that are needing fixed..would rather have them yanked out that fixed since the metal in the cavities I have had fixed still give me awful sesitivity issues with hot or cold food.  Of course the yanking of the teeth might cause more jaw pain lol I just want to be able to eat something without my jaw feeling like it is going to lock up on me.

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RE: TMJ... - 4/21/2008 12:14:41 AM   
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Here is the post with the TMJ exercises. 

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RE: TMJ... - 4/21/2008 8:17:53 AM   
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Ohboy don't try to stretch it please!http://www.tmjrelief.us/There are easy exercises that you need to do a few times a day to keep the muscles working. Beyond that there are guidelines. Don't force your jaw openNo chewing gumUse a sport mouth guard if you clench or grind at night (they are cheap and available in sporting good stores) Above all though, don't force it beyond what it can take. Heat alternated with ice helps, along with OTC pain relievers if you haven't a doctor. Something I've learned, if your jaw twinges/seizes up when you eat sour foods, or when you simply smell food there is a chance you also have 'saliva gland stones'. Those are really common, when your mouth floods with saliva the stones block the ducts causing pain. I've had TMJ for 30 years now. My mouth can only open 7mm and I've an awful lot of experience with physical therapy, orthodontics, oral surgeons etc. Good luck with it and feel free to ask me if you want to. 

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RE: TMJ... - 4/21/2008 12:14:11 PM   
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I've been dealing with TMJ since 1981. Two of the primary causes of TMJ are

  • a bad bite—your teeth don't line up well relative to their position in your jaw and how your jaw opens and closes.
    A bad bite may just be the luck of the genes, but it may also occur because of injury to teeth or bone. I speculate that tooth decay, or eating around the pain of decayed teeth, may aggravate or cause a bad bite to levels where TMJ becomes noticeable.
  • grinding your teeth—usually a symptom of stress.
  • nighttime grinding during sleep—usually a symptom of extreme stress; a woman I knew who was diagnosed the same time I was had grown up with alcoholic, abusive parents, and had been grinding her teeth in her sleep from age 6 to age 35...by which time she had SEVERE arthritic degeneration of both jaw joints. Her treatment started with physical therapy for the myositis (muscle inflammation) of the jaw joints, went through braces to realign her teeth, and ended up with having her jaw surgically broken and realigned. And at that, she was lucky...the braces improved matters enough that she only (only!) had to have the upper jaw done instead of both (fixing the lower one would have meant wiring her jaw for 8 weeks). [footnote: this was a 3-year process, roughly]


What do you do? I'll tell you the things I know that can do some good and that don't require an MD or DDS to do.

  • Use a smooth side of an ice cube (freeze a bit of water in a paper cup for a really smooth bottom) to rub over the outside of the jaw joints. This was the first thing I was assigned to do when I was diagnosed, along with a soft diet. No cruncy peanut butter, no hard candy, no chewy pizza, and at first, no serious chewing at all. Soups, pastas, stews, puddings, jello...puree the veggies and don't even think about crunchy salads, think gazpacho. Get a blender if you don't already have a food processor.
  • Massage the muscles and tendons involved. You can do this easily from the outside, but many people don't think about the inside access. (A dom/me can use a sterile glove to do this, too...it's painful but productive if not done to extremes.) With your index finger (gloved with a cotton ball if you have long fingernails!), reach in one corner of your mouth and reach back and slowly up between the upper teeth and cheek. Turn your finger so that the pad is against your cheek and gently push upwards towards the jaw joint/earhole. You'll be able to feel tension in muscles and or tendons...push until mild discomfort, then rub the area, then remove finger. Repeat two or three times at first. Gradually you'll be able to do more and stretch further. Never push to the point of SHARP pain. You'll feel the stretch, and if the joint's inflamed, you'll need to go easy! Let the inflammation subside.
  • Night grinders have no option if they want to survive this. NOTHING substitutes for a night guard. Nothing. I knew a lawyer once who chewed his way through custom night guards every six months. But it was better than not being able to chew.
  • Finallly, an exercise for the small muscles of neck and shoulders in supprt of relieving TMJ-related stuff. (Learned this from phys therapy specific to TMJ.) Sit or stand straight and relaxed. Raise both arms to shoulder height, extended straight out, palms down. Now turn one palm up, and turn head towards that hand. SLOWLY, turn head to other side WHILE reversing hand positions (up to down, down to up). Reverse and repeat. After several reps, move head to face the down-facing palm, and do another set with the head turning from the down hand to the down hand.


Good luck with the dentistry. By the way, if there are any dental schools around you, sign up for practice victim. That used to be near-free in many places, and the dental students are basically interning under a fully qualified DDS.

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RE: TMJ... - 4/22/2008 2:55:20 PM   
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May , I suggest a massage therapist who knows how to work with your problem. I had TMJ for years had the surgeries, which helped alot, sometimes I do need to massage the muscles inside and out from time to time. PS I am a massage therapist and you can find someone with training for the problem

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RE: TMJ... - 4/22/2008 3:02:06 PM   
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I was told by a Dentist to stop drinking all caffine

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RE: TMJ... - 4/23/2008 4:51:17 AM   
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Another TMJ sufferer here. Thanks for posting this thread, I always forget about the TMJ until it feels the worst. Mine is caused by an overbite that was supposed to be fixed in my early teens but we ran out of money for orthodontics... frustrating to say the least. I had to give up gum, though there was one dentist I had that told me use it to work out the muscles, which I tried until I went another and he told me the first one was a load of crock on legs. I've never heard of the caffeine, if that's the case I'm screwed cause I drink too much coffee.

Actually that raises a question for me... on the subject of gags. Anyone know of a style that won't pull at your jaw too much and keeps your mouth relatively relaxed? I'll post this in bondage gear so I'm not a thread hijacker.

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RE: TMJ... - 4/23/2008 5:54:10 AM   
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Personally I don't think someone with TMJ should use a gag but that could be because mine is so severe now. When I was younger and it wasn't so bad I did things like occasionally chew gum, eat a burger piled high etc thinking it wouldn't have much in the way of ramifications. Now, I don't know for sure that it worsened my TMJ but it has worsened. I have less than 15% of the cartilage remaining on my left side and I literally cannot open more than 7mm. Going to get my teeth cleaned means I have to be knocked out so they can wedge those nasty rubber thingies in so they can get to my molars. Then there are the accompanying bits, shoulder pain, severe collarbone pain, ear pain, headaches, ringing in the ears, sinus-like pain which all have increased.If I could get rid of one ailment out of all my problems it would be the TMJ. Bottom line, the jaw is really hard to fix. Surgery and implants have a low rate of success and is it worth a lifetime of pain to use a gag? The risk of making it worse?

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RE: TMJ... - 4/24/2008 12:10:01 AM   
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Well I have been under severe stress and wasn't dianosed with TMJ from a dentist but from my GP.  I have a few more months of stress and hopefully after that I won't have any. (At least not as bad) Maybe it just seems like TMJ dunno but I know chewing gum tears up my jaw like something awful. Thanks for all the replies as well.

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