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Amature Adult Photography and You Online - 4/23/2008 11:17:35 AM   
Gemini1766


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People keep wondering why they cannot get pictures of what we here would consider reasonable for this site and the content typically found here. Well, to make it easy, I'm going to share an easy to understand write up about Bill 2257 and how it affected such things.

This write up comes courtesy of The Doms View online eZine; the original can be found at Bill 2257 and the decline of the rights of Americans, which was written and posted by The Doms View online eZine.
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Here’s the plain language version of Bill 2257 as I see it:

Primary and secondary producers of ‘sexually explicit images” now must do the following:
1 – Keep a record of each performer’s LEGAL name, and all other aliases
they use or have used, with a copy of a government issued photo id.

2 - This record must be kept for 7 years.

3 – This record must be contained in a searchable database that can
match up EVERY url that is attached to ANY photo that is on the
producer's website.

4 – The names and copy of identification must be given to the secondary producer who will keep
the same searchable database for the same images on their website.
(so much for protecting the privacy of the performer)

5 – Each website MUST have an address on the front page of their site
that indicates where this database is kept.

6 – This address MUST NOT be a PO box, but a legitimate geographical
address where the actual records are kept.
(for TDV that means a private home address)

7 – 3rd party addresses are not acceptable

8 – The `office' must be open 20 hours a week during `normal business
hours.

9 – This legislation is retroactive to 1995!!!
Give me a fucking a break! Ten years retroactive???? Violations to this bill can result in a 5 year prison term, and additional violations can result in a ten year prison term for each offence! Holy crap! The personal privacy of all models, and all secondary website owners and content providers is now ignored to help stop child pornography. But how does the repetitive and costly record keeping system stop kiddie porn that usually isn’t shot or hosted in North America? That is the basis for Bill 2257. To help stomp out child porn. The Free Speech Coalition has struck a deal with the Department of Justice whereby the government will not pursue 2257 record inspections or prosecutions of any of the plaintiffs or their members until 30 days after a hearing on the preliminary injunction, scheduled for August 8 & 9, has been held, or until such time as the Court, if it issues a preliminary injunction against the law, dissolves that injunction. Only members of The Free Speech Coalition and plainfiffs to the application for a Temporary Injunction are protected. The rest of us are still sitting ducks.
Fasten your seatbelts folks, this Bill threatens the privacy of many many people and you are going to see a drastic drop in sexually explicit images (note BDSM images fall directly into that category even if there are no ‘pink’ bits showing) available for your viewing pleasure. We might also see a drastic drop in discussion lists. Group owners, now is a good time to back up your lists.


There are links on the original page that the above comes from that go into more indepth detail on what the law states from original to final form which was enacted on the 24th day of June, 2005.

I hope this helps answer peoples' questions as to why certain pictures cannot be posted here.
I personally think it is the wrong way to go as our (the United States) government cannot police the actions, restrictions, or lack of restrictions of what is allowed on the net by other governments. It's time to put the onus back on the people. Make parents responsible for their lack of oversight of their children, their surfing and gaming activities, etc.



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RE: Amature Adult Photography and You Online - 4/23/2008 1:31:36 PM   
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If I remember correctly that law has been on the books for a couple 3 years.

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RE: Amature Adult Photography and You Online - 4/23/2008 1:40:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SailingBum

If I remember correctly that law has been on the books for a couple 3 years.

BadOne
Yes, since 2005, which it states clearly above. Still, I've seen people grouse about the problem of not being able to post "reasonable" pictures on this and other sites, and thought it might help to give them a reasonable explanation as to why.


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RE: Amature Adult Photography and You Online - 4/23/2008 2:03:55 PM   
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I get the why I also see where the Bill does not actually apply.

There is a LEGAL argument for both sides.

I get why we can't and I respect the choices of the site however a simple wording of the Terms and Agreements section before joining the site could fix all liability of the site owners. However then it would require the owners to keep logs of VERIFIED personal information and that is an expense that would make this site no longer free. I mean if you have to verify all the information on this site that would be full time work for a staff of 20 so I understand why they don't allow it.

So as stupid as I think it might be, I understand it's necessity. It isn't for people like me that they don't allow it. It's for the guiys who think it is funny to make a fake profile for a girl in highschool who is under 18 and nude and then they present a haven for perverts to look for wank material.

I get it... I just think it's stupid that we live in a world that make things like this necessary.

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RE: Amature Adult Photography and You Online - 4/23/2008 3:17:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SailingBum

If I remember correctly that law has been on the books for a couple 3 years.

BadOne
It was also overturned as unconstitutional back in oct '07 .....




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RE: Amature Adult Photography and You Online - 4/23/2008 3:25:56 PM   
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Just making sure people posting here actually had the rights to the pictures they were putting up would be a full time job.
I have plenty of photos that are never going to be approved that I would love to post, especially some of the ones of Fox and I. And I can prove I have permission to post them, and that we are all legal and all that. But if we bitch about the time it takes to get approved now... that would just add a TON of time, since each picture needing verification would have to be put on hold until the information was verified. Then once the information was sent it, it would have to be added to a database that was searchable by authorities... which then means you are no longer anonymous. You would have to provide all your information to the people who run the site.
And I know theft of pictures runs rampant, I have had mine (tame ones) stolen, I can just imagine the theft if it were racier and still free.

Its inconvenient to have to edit myself and only send the photos to those who request them, but I prefer it to having to put al my information out there to besearchable just so I can show off a bit of art.

Thats just me, though.
DV


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RE: Amature Adult Photography and You Online - 4/24/2008 2:44:52 PM   
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They produce legislation like this so they can say to the public "we are dealing with the problem!" Infact, as anyone with a modicom of commonsence will know it's just window dressing to keep the media happy. One big problem that is not being properly addressed is the fact that minors are still accessing adult websites, lying about their ages and an increasing number of adults, both male and female are starting to be prosecuted as a result of this problem.
What galls me the most, is having researched a lot of cases of this as part of my normal job, is that the child is counted as a victim of grooming. Why is that the case, when the damn kid has been on a site where they had no reason to be, especially when they have clearly entered false details!
Yes, child pornography is repungnant, and despite what the media says, it is often the parents or direct members of the victims family who are responsible for its production! The media don't like to publish that fact, but having a relative who has been through that part of a "legal training" course it was a real eye opener. The media image of rooms full of dirty old men is very far from the actual truth.
However, as our political masters are more interested in the political spin than the actual thoughts of justice, we who practice alternative "sex" which doesn't involve any illegal activities must suffer until our voices are finally heard. People tend to forget that in the UK homosexuality or to be more precise the engaging in homesexual sexual activity was illegal, on the Isle of Man it still is!

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