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When fascism takes over... - 4/23/2008 9:43:40 PM   
SugarMyChurro


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Inmate Count in U.S. Dwarfs Other Nations’
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/us/23prison.html?ex=1366689600&en=74632d44e9b363fb&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
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http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/23/america/23prison.php

The United States has less than 5 percent of the world’s population. But it has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners.

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That's not a good thing. But it is predictable given the political climate in the states. Many of the people incarcerated should be understood to be political prisoners under these circumstances.

Appalling.

Land of the free, eh?




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RE: When fascism takes over... - 4/23/2008 10:22:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

Many of the people incarcerated should be understood to be political prisoners under these circumstances.





         Bandwagon politics and bad public policy have certainly raised the levels of 'crime,' and the numbers of people we lock up, Sugar, but these are hardly the sort of political prisoners the Gulag held.  Let's not cheapen the terminology by comparing a dumb 20something, pulled over speeding, with a joint in the ashtray, and three lbs of chronic in the trunk to an artist with politically incorrect views, ok?

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RE: When fascism takes over... - 4/23/2008 11:42:11 PM   
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In strict terms, I'm afraid I have to agree with TheHeretic.

In broader terms, our system is badly, and, I am afraid, structually screwed up.  We have nearly 1% of our entire population behind bars.

I notice that the NYT thumps the gun control drum on page 1 of the piece.  The insane and out-of-control levels of people being sentenced for drug-related offences is buried further down.  I guess this does not surprise.  It has been more than half a decade since I have expected anything better from the NYT.  "Judith Miller" ring any bells?

If you aren't getting worried, yet, you should, because these levels of incarceration are popular.  That's why this happened in the first place.  Forget about baseball and football.  "Hunt the Witch" and "Kill the Scapegoat" are our new national sports, and they have been since the early 1950s.

My take?  This is only going to get worse.  Until such point as the system as a whole completely melts down.

I already mentioned my take that this problem is structural.  Structual problems cannot be fixed with reforms.  The affected structure must be dismantled and rebuilt from the git-go.

And there is just no way we are going to do that.  Facing that or any other problem squarely and honestly enough to do a complete rebuild and get it even halfway right is not something we are very good at, at all.

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RE: When fascism takes over... - 4/24/2008 12:11:28 AM   
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The system is already beginning to break down under it's own wieght. As the economy and accompnying tax revenues to support the penal system break down-they will be forced to revamp it-since money to build new warehouses will also be lacking.

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RE: When fascism takes over... - 4/24/2008 4:16:29 AM   
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Still, it is the length of sentences that truly distinguishes American prison policy. Indeed, the mere number of sentences imposed here would not place the United States at the top of the incarceration lists. If lists were compiled based on annual admissions to prison per capita, several European countries would outpace the United States. But American prison stays are much longer, so the total incarceration rate is higher.

Burglars in the United States serve an average of 16 months in prison, according to Mauer, compared with 5 months in Canada and 7 months in England.


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Many specialists dismissed race as an important distinguishing factor in the American prison rate. It is true that blacks are much more likely to be imprisoned than other groups in the United States, but that is not a particularly distinctive phenomenon. Minorities in Canada, Britain and Australia are also disproportionately represented in those nation's prisons, and the ratios are similar to or larger than those in the United States.




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Whatever the reasons, there is little dispute that America's exceptional incarceration rate has had an impact on crime.

"As one might expect, a good case can be made that fewer Americans are now being victimized" thanks to the tougher crime policies, Paul Cassell, an authority on sentencing and a former federal judge, wrote in The Stanford Law Review.

From 1981 to 1996, according to Justice Department statistics, the risk of punishment rose in the United States and fell in England. The crime rates predictably moved in the opposite directions, falling in the United States and rising in England.

There is a counterexample, however, to the north. "Rises and falls in Canada's crime rate have closely paralleled America's for 40 years," Tonry wrote last year. "But its imprisonment rate has remained stable."



Some interesting things in the article. If we took the pot offenders out, I wonder  how that would affect the numbers?

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RE: When fascism takes over... - 4/24/2008 6:54:16 AM   
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It's a profitable business, the prison business that is. The amount of people locked up for personal possession of controlled substances is ridiculous. A lot of lawyers get rich off of it as well. It's sad really, it's just another way for rich people to get richer. Yet none of the candidates in 2008 are talking about it. As long as white suburbia feels safe now that that pothead down the street is locked up I guess we're ok :)

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