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Hi, quick question please. - 5/2/2008 11:28:33 AM   
wildonenv


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Have played in the past with a "will try anything once" approach, but from a recent experience, well, I now have a different attitude that has come up due to trust issues and my own naivety.  Still have not tried everything, but now am putting more thought to my emotional safety before I do things new.

The new Woman I am seeing, and have our first play session scheduled soon, recently mentioned a new thing, for me, that is one of her favorite things to do.  She mentioned others yes, but this seems to be a favorite.   

So, would you be disinterested in a new play partner if they said your favorite thing was a no-go?  Not now, and maybe not ever?

We have discussed things quite a bit, and I at first told her that playstyle simply has not been asked of me before nor have I been interested in it before.  Yet I thought maybe it would be okay to try.  But now that I have thought about it, I just don't know if I should do it. 

Would this be a deal breaker for you?  Should I just grin and bear it?  I like her alot.  But worry about my emotional health now that I have been through some experiences that didn't go to well.

This is really hard for me as pleasing my partner is of the utmost importance.
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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/2/2008 11:48:50 AM   
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Whether or not it will lose her interest, you HAVE to tell her up front...any other way lies misery and/or madness.

Personally, if someone is very not into one of my most favorite things, it IS a huge stumbling block. I'd have to like the person a LOT to keep trying.
A definite maybe is much better than a definite no, but ONLY if it is honest and heart-felt.

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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/2/2008 12:05:03 PM   
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Thank you for the reply.

She actually mentioned other things, not including the stuff I wasnt into, that we would be doing on our date.  She is pretty bright, and I am just assuming she knows I am not into it.

My thing is the bad feeling I have of withholding something from her.  But figure it is 50/50 chance it is because our relationship is still new and needs more time for something so intense.

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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/2/2008 12:19:52 PM   
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wildonenv,

Some of my absolutely favourite types of play are things that used to be soft or hard limits.  Thus, I'm not one for saying that you shouldn't give something a whirl, even when it isn't initially appealing to you.  Only you know what levels of uncertainty and discomfort you're willing to attempt so this is a very personal question that requires you to look inside your self and to examine your partner.

I *would not* try pushing limits with someone I didn't know well.  One of the things that has allowed me to experiment with things that were uncomfortable and/or frightening for me is that I was with partners who I trusted to look after me.  We talked lots.  We negotiated escape routes in advance, in case I needed to get out quickly.  We mutually agreed on ways for me to slowly taste the things that frightened me, working in a baby-steps fashion towards where my Domina wanted to get to.  Using this approach and this type of communication, I've had a wonderful time adding many things to my list of enjoyed play activities, and often these were fetishes of my partner that I never thought I would enjoy.

An outright "no" can be a turn-off, especially if the thing you're turning down is one of your Domina's biggest turn-ons.  Likewise, saying such a blanket "no" may break the dynamics you have as Domina and submissive.  My advice is, rather than saying no, ask questions respectfully and lovingly.  Find out why this activity is such a turn-on for your partner.  Do research on your own about the techniques and safety of this type of play.  Once you've done your research, go back to your partner and ask more questions.  If possible, do some research and learning together.  If you don't feel comfortable trying a small version of your partner's kink, perhaps there is something similar, as a starting point, that the two of you can find as a reasonable compromise.  Most Domina's I know find it quite a turn-on to see their submissive working to please them, even when the submissive isn't initially capable of giving them what they want.  The vulnerability, struggle, mutual sharing of emotions, learning, attempts (both successful and unsuccessful) are a huge part of the fun.

If what your partner wants you to try simply contradicts your ethics or you can honestly say "I never ever want to do that", then you should be honest with them and with yourself.  This may be a deal breaker and so be it.  It's better to find these things out up front than to discover them later on.

Use your best judgment about yourself and your partner.  I can't stress enough that this is not where I would start with a new partner.  Do some vanilla things first.  Get to know one another.  Then, engage in some play that you're both comfortable with.  Once you have a better idea of your partner's reactions and have built some trust, then and only then would I start engaging in things that are edgier for either of you.  By all means, if your Domina has communicated that there is something she wants to do and you're uncertain about this, ask the questions and do the research (hopefully together) that I've suggested.  You don't have to jump right into the activity just to learn about it.  Case in point, it took me about a year of research and asking many, many questions before I tried my first taste of needle play.  Needle play was an extreme turn-on for my (then) partner, but I was terified of it.  I now enjoy needle play immensely.  So... just because you talk these things out doesn't mean you have to start there.  Start with things you're both comfortable with, get to know one another, and, when the time is right, you can move into places where you're a little (or a lot) unsure!  Whatever it is that you're trying, make sure *you* understand it and know the safety measures to be taken.  Yes, your Domina should know these, but you should too.

Edited to add:  If you're comfortable sharing and don't think this will break your partner's trust, what is the "uncomfortable thing" that you don't want to do?  I'm curious now.

Good luck! :-)

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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/2/2008 12:37:17 PM   
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For me, if any of my hard limits (i really don't have soft limits) were on the top of a prospective partners list of her favorite things to do; it would be enough for me to look elsewhere.  i'm talking a relationship and not casual play.  Because, even if she never mentioned it again or attempted me to pressure me into these things; i'd still feel a near-constant pressure to succumb to what i know her desires to be.  Other than those thiings that are just a major squick and cleanliness factor to me, my hard limits are things that i have tried on some level before and found to be traumatic; not unpleasant or painful but traumatic.  It would be pointless for me to enter into a relationship with a person who loves and thrives on those activities.


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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/2/2008 12:45:26 PM   
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If they were a primary play partner pretty much.

quote:

ORIGINAL: wildonenv

So, would you be disinterested in a new play partner if they said your favorite thing was a no-go?  Not now, and maybe not ever?



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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/2/2008 12:49:56 PM   
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" If you don't feel comfortable trying a small version of your partner's kink, perhaps there is something similar, as a starting point, that the two of you can find as a reasonable compromise."

Have no issues with the small version.  Have done it before and like it. 

This is into relation of "strict bondage"  wherein she will let me out when/if she deems fit.  No time frame. Now in a way, that scares the hell out of me to the point of being turned on.  Yet,  the turn on goes away if she truly is going to have me in that position for hours/days/whatever.  I would be miserable and would go insane.  I know that already.

But if it is just the threat of it that turns her on of indefinite bondage, that can be fun.  Guess you are right, just need to get to know each other more.

Truly sucks to be hurt and be taken WAY too far in the past, not with bondage, but emotional torture.  But will have to just get over it and know that my new partner is not my old one.

Thanks for the great reply, you helped alot! 

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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/2/2008 12:50:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: wildonenv

Thank you for the reply.

She actually mentioned other things, not including the stuff I wasnt into, that we would be doing on our date.  She is pretty bright, and I am just assuming she knows I am not into it.

My thing is the bad feeling I have of withholding something from her.  But figure it is 50/50 chance it is because our relationship is still new and needs more time for something so intense.


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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/2/2008 1:39:46 PM   
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I could play with someone who had a hard limit that was one of my favorite things.... ok, I don't play usually but I could train someone or play with a friend at a club for example.

I could not own someone though unless the reason for the limit was medical. Thus when we discovered that Fox needed to stop all anal play for a medical reason after three years of owning him we worked it out. Had that been a limit in the beginning, no, we would not have gotten this far I think.

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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/2/2008 2:37:10 PM   
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wildonenv,

quote:

This is in relation to "strict bondage" wherein she will let me out when/if she deems fit.  No time frame.  Now in a way, that scares the hell out of me to the point of being turned on.  Yet, the turn on goes away if she truly is going to have me in that position for hours/days/whatever.  I would be miserable and would go insane.  I know that already.  But if it is just the threat of it that turns her on of indefinite bondage, that can be fun.  Guess you are right, just need to get to know each other more.


Nobody here can answer this question for you.  You need to talk to your Domina.  Having said this, I'll attempt to fill in a few blanks for you, as follows:

- No sane, sensible, experienced Domina would leave you tied up unless she was there to monitor at all times.

- At any time, if you indicate a need to get out, your Domina will let you out.  You can negotiate this up front.  If she won't agree to this or you don't have confidence that she'll respect your wishes, then don't play this way.

- Make sure all your breathing pathways are clear.  Your mouth, nostrils, upper chest and lungs should not be restricted.  Even if you're in a full bondage bag/suit, holes can be cut over your mouth and nose.  Sometimes breathing tubes are placed in the mouth and nose.  This can be quite a turn-on!  If you don't want anything covering your head, communicate this to your partner.  It is perfectly acceptable to be in very strict bondage with nothing covering your head.

- Because you already have concerns about being bound more strictly, at the outset, I suggest staying away from any kind of bondage that restricts verbal communication.  Thus, at first, I'd avoid gags, full head coverings, and bondage bags/suits.  This way, you can always use verbal communication and eye contact to communicate your needs.  Later on, if you feel more comfortable, you can set up non-verbal signals, such as a chord, near your hand, that you can pull.  There are lots of ways to set up non-verbal signaling and this will allow you to be bound in ways that limit your speach, eye contact, etc.  Similar to the note at the end of my previous paragraph, it is perfectly acceptable to request that your verbal communication and/or eye communication not be cut off.  These are things you can negotiate with your Domina.  In the beginning, you may find the idea of losing eye contact intolerable.  As time goes on, this may become of interest to you or it may stay a hard limit.  These things tend to evolve and grow as you grow with your Domina.  I encourage you to keep an open mind.

- The notion of keeping you in bondage for days on end is hot, fantasy talk.  Sometimes we kinksters say things in ways we don't really mean.  Make sure you know what your Domina literally means by asking her.  When it comes to bondage, most of us can only tolerate a few hours at best.  Bathroom breaks, cramps, and many other needs come into play.  Some people like being bound overnight, but it is rare that this is in complete, totally immobilized bondage.  If you're being bound overnight and your partner will be asleep, always, always, ALWAYS have keys and escape tools within your reach.  Promise your partner that you'll use these tools only in an emergency.  If you're in a situation where you may need to free yourself, this means your arms/hands and possibly your legs/feet can only be minimally bound.

- Most importantly, talk to your partner and share your concerns!  Of the more edgy things I can think of, strict bondage is one that is easier to navigate.  Please don't' think I'm saying this to diminish your feelings and concerns.  Your feelings and concerns are *always* valid.  In terms of navigating your concerns about bondage, here is a suggestion.  At first, perhaps your partner would only partially bind you for short periods of time.  She can then extend these periods as you become more comfortable in bondage.  Once you're used to being partially bound, your partner might increase the level of bondage, in baby steps, until you are totally immobilized.  For your first experience with total immobilization, you might only stay bound for a few minutes.  Again, as before, as you gain more experience and comfort, your Domina may increase the periods of time that you're bound for.  One thing that will really help is if your Domina demonstrates that at any time you need to get out, she gets you out!  Explain this to her and practice in smaller steps so that you gain trust in her to do this.  I'll remind you once more, talk to your Domina and share your concerns.  I'd be surprised if the two of you can't find supportive, loving ways to explore this.

Hope this helps,

Elan.

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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/2/2008 2:53:53 PM   
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I echo the fact that you must talk to your Mistress about what you have a problem with.
You do not have to tell us what it is.
I only ever do BDSM with someone I 'own' ie someone I have a committed loving relationship with who is truly submissive to my will. I don't play.
I expect him to be able to talk to me about anything. I would never push him to do something that would harm him either emotionally. psychologically or physically.
However accidents do happen especially when communication isn't good.
D/s can easily turn into abuse.
I think your relationship is border line at the moment.
If you allow something that is really beyond you just to keep the relationship you are allowing true abuse which might haunt you later.
Dom/mes should be reponsible for the well being of their subs/slaves.
In my opinion we have a duty of care to them just like a parent has for their child.
The emotional connection can be far stronger than in a vanilla relationship and vanilla people can become very dependent on their partner.

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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/2/2008 2:58:21 PM   
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For me, the deal-breakers are the favorite things that are important to a submissive that I have no interest in. I have lots of  "favorite things". I have different favorite things to do with different submissives, and I'm sure I'll discover *more* favorite things.  

But DominantJenny is right when she says, " Do NOT assume. BAD idea. Make sure. For her and for yourself."

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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/2/2008 8:09:45 PM   
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I'm going to give you the same answer that I would have given before I found out this question was specifically related to restrictive/long term bondage.  In My opinion, the activity itself isn't the basis of the question.

I happen to have some things on My "special thrill" list that aren't for everyone:

  • Strap on play
  • Encouraged bi
  • Face slapping
  • Casual play (it's not for everybody)
  • Blood
Having said that, I can tell you that I have had submissives who have had at least one of these things on their hard limit list.  I would never reject anyone because one, or even all of the above was an activity that they just couldn't bring themselves to accept.  Where the impass would more likely be would be if the perspective sub also couldn't accept that I might participate with these activities with someone else.  I might see it differently if a potential partner expected Me to give up the activity entirely, not only not to do these things with him

With this said, I certainly agree with the above advice.  It is important to tell the Domme about your feelings on the subject and negotiate properly.  Don't make projections about what her response will be.  She will tell you.  It is definitely better to know in the beginning if a particular type of scene makes you a bad match.

Good luck to you.  I hope the information that has been supplied by others in this thread has been helpful to you.



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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/2/2008 8:53:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: wildonenv 

So, would you be disinterested in a new play partner if they said your favorite thing was a no-go?  Not now, and maybe not ever?


Depends on what sort of arrangement we were seeking with each other.  I'm assuming by your post you're talking about a friendship/romantic relationship with this woman in addition to just kink, so in that case my answer would be no.  I've a lot of things I like, if a partner I otherwise really enjoy as a friend and have plenty of other types of play in common with then we just focus on the other stuff.

quote:


We have discussed things quite a bit, and I at first told her that playstyle simply has not been asked of me before nor have I been interested in it before.  Yet I thought maybe it would be okay to try.  But now that I have thought about it, I just don't know if I should do it. 

Would this be a deal breaker for you?  Should I just grin and bear it? 


If the person in question came to me and told me that ^, no, it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.  Nor would I want them to "just grin and bear it" (again, making the assumption that that's not the type of relationship you two are seeking, that force-play and emotional masochism of that type isn't desired.  -Heck, for that matter,even IN that sort of relationship, you should still tell them so that in that case they know where your buttons are to push).

Be honest about this and tell her what you said here about thinking it over.  Don't leave room for a potentially very bad misunderstanding where there's no need for it. 

At the very, very worst she Does decide to not pursue things anymore... in which case, you two were seeking different things, had different priorities and it would've not gone far or been happy anyways.  I'm betting, though, that she'll just take this info in and add it to your hard limits/maybe someday down the road somewhere list.

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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/4/2008 3:18:13 AM   
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Elan's replies were excellent and said all I could say.

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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/4/2008 8:54:10 AM   
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Ditto MaamJay.  :)  Elan is right.

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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/4/2008 9:28:19 AM   
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Ditto!  You MUST verbalize what you don't want to do and why.  If you discuss it, you may find a way around it.

Personally, I speak to several Doms here on a friendly basis.  Whenever they start getting a bit 'flirty' I QUICKLY lay out my hard limits.  I know that Doms enjoy 'breaking down' an Domme.  Hells Bells!  There is nothing hotter for me than to get a Dom on his knees.  I understand the joy of Dom on Domme play.  But I let 'em know right up front that I was in a very bad car wreck when I was 16 years old.  I spent 33 days in traction and 2 months in a body cast.  I've had my fill of not being able to move.  I have several bad joints and when I say I need to move, I need to move RIGHT NOW!  So there is no hope of ever getting me immobilized.  I also live in almost constant pain so I don't need anymore.  If that's what they want... they can just give it up and move on.  Some do.  Some stay.  But it's out there from the beginning.  What I will NOT ever tolerate and WHY.


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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/4/2008 11:30:00 AM   
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This is an interesting question.
Before you said it was about long term immobilization, my answer was that sometimes (often times) it is extremely hot to submit to something we don't think we will like. (and you may find that it *is* something you like after all)
Otoh; long term immobilization, (imo) would be SO boring. No reading, no computer, no tv (I assume), little to no play...sheesh.
For a short period of time (say maybe a few hours every once in a while) it could be hot.
But not for an every day or mostly every day thing.
At least not for me.
Unless, of course, my cage has fresh magazines, great books, a computer (internet enabled, natch), a tv, some Godiva chocolates and a small fridge.
*g*

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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/4/2008 3:55:17 PM   
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I think Elan has given excellent responses.

One other point you might consider within yourself is how much of your willingness to participate in this activity is driven by your interest in her, and how much by the ratios? If you received an email from a local domme expressing interest in you, how would that impact how you feel about the matter? I am not asking you to answer this question here, and instead present it as a point to consider.

Cheers,

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RE: Hi, quick question please. - 5/5/2008 2:28:01 PM   
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MaamJay, ShaktiSama, MsStarlett, and undergroundsea;

Goodness.  I'm accumulating my own posse here! :-)  Thank you all for the kind words and kudos.  I decided to write because I've been where wildonenv is now.  Over the years, quite a few people have helped me in extraordinary ways.  It's nice to get straight up, non-fantasy advice so I tried to give in the same way that others have helped me.

Elan.

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