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Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/3/2008 1:43:12 PM   
BitaTruble


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Ladies, I only had three periods all last year, then had a normal period in December and have had a (very heavy) period every 28 days since then. I used to live with my heating pad across my lower abdomen for 2 days out of every month to help relieve the cramping (I have endometriosis) and while not great, it worked better than any other source of pain relief I've ever tried. So, now I'm on my period again, but getting terrible night sweats and hot flashes to the point where the thought of using the heating pad is anathema to me and the reality of it is, while not intolerable, pretty damn close. It's like having a bad sunburn then taking a hot shower. It's just not a combination with which you want to deal! I miss my heating pad but thinking I may just have to bite the bullet on this one and forego sleep (since I'm not sleeping anyway) to relieve the pain. Of all the choices of which I'm aware, they all seem to suck bilge water.

I started taking black cohosh when it was recommend to me (by some folks on this site) but it did absolutely nothing to stop any of the symptons of menopause for me so I stopped taking it after about 2 months. Right now, I am taking melatonin (3 mg) with a cup of chamomile before bed, which works great until I wake up soaked and cramping. In other words, the stuff helps me fall asleep, but won't keep me asleep through the pain. I've tried meditation which does help me relax but is not effective against the intensity of the endo. You can only breathe through so much pain before you want to bite through gun steel.

So, anyway - I have heard good things about rolfing and shiatsu in conjunction with managing the pain of endometriosis but can't find any web information regarding the combination of endo, menopause and shiatsu or rolfing so was wondering if anyone here has tried it. If so, did it work and would you recommend it?

Aside from the sweating, pain and soaking through the sheets and blankets, I'm disturbing the rest of Himself and that bothers me a great deal so any holistic, organic or natural suggestions to approach the combination of pain and hot flashes would be appreciated (and researched once I find something to research!) 

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RE: Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/3/2008 2:36:40 PM   
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(also sometimes upping your calcium and magnesium sometimes helps;
have you tried valerian?)


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RE: Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/3/2008 3:05:33 PM   
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I had endometriosis from the time I was 16. I had to have a complete hysterectomy at age 19. I know the pain of which you speak. The worst part, well one of them, was how bad it hurt during sex. It was like having some hot poker being jammed into your cervix. I got it due to the scarring of infant abuse, into child abuse. But I degress..<s>
 
My doctor, believe it or not, prescribed Dopa. Yes, the drug for Parkinson's. The problem at that time was the medicine was extremely expensive (For the 70's). Doctor told me to go across border and buy the drug in Mexico. Sheesh I didn't even have a car, the only transportation I had was a bike. I also did not have the strength to ride a bike across town, much less ride a bike into Mexico.
 
Anyway, I am not sure if you have tried Polarity Therapy, but there is a way to do it yourself, without going to a costly therapist. If you google it, you will see many articles describing how to do it yourself. Basically, it is the healing touch of your own hands. The problem you have is in your abdomen, so you would gently push with your hands on the place of pain, draw it closer and closer up to wards your mouth. Once you reach your mouth, it has been said, that you would be releasing the pain from your body. But there is more to it, this is just a simple example of what you may want to try. I have tried this with my legs. I light some lightly scented candles, turn off the lights and lie in a warm bath. As I am pushing the pain down toward my feet, I think of comforting memories. The idea is to get the pain out of your body. It works for me, but only for a while. But if you try this at night before going to bed, maybe you won't bother Himself as much.
 
Hope it helps,
 
MoGa 
 
I just realized I didn't answer your question. I don't have any answers for that. I have not tried it :(



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RE: Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/3/2008 4:44:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also, have you thought about trying the heating pad on your belly while using a wrapped ice pack around your neck?

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RE: Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/3/2008 8:23:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, Celeste.

I'm sorry to hear you're having so much trouble.  I'm wondering - if the pain is that intense, why don't you talk to your doc about some good pain relievers or sleep meds?  It sounds like perhaps you're not into taking prescription meds and would prefer to use a more natural approach, but if your life is affected so tremendously, it may be time for more heavy-duty intervention.  I have endometriosis, and some months are fairly uncomfortable, but OTC meds work for now.  I know when/if they stop working I'll be talking to the doc. 

Also, I'm assuming surgical intervention isn't an option?  I'm a candidate for an ablation, but am not ready for that yet.  I'm not really asking for personal information - just throwing these thoughts out for consideration.

Be well.

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RE: Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/3/2008 10:18:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Moga: I'll check out Polarity therapy! Thanks for the tip and for sharing your story. Vaginal sex is, indeed, extremely uncomfortable to say the least. Fortunetly, my other access points work pretty well. ;)

Anjelika, I never thought about an ice pack around my neck! I'm going to try that tonight. :) Thanks for the links (will read tomorrow) and the tip. :)

Bound, I actually do have script meds for the pain. I hate them. I'm allergic to both codeine and asprin so am limited on which pain meds I can take and the ones I have make me stupid and fairly useless the next day. Surgery is also an option. I've had several laps done and my doctor has been trying to talk me into getting a hysto for several years but I opted not to do it. From everything I've read and researched and everyone I've talked to in my endo support group, the symptons go away for 95% of women once menopause is completed. I'd rather not have a surgery for something which time 'should' take care of naturally. Thank you for the thoughts. I appreciate them. :)

I did run this by my support group and most of them suggested that I kick my husband out of the bed if I was disturbing him that much and make him go sleep on the couch. That's not, as you guys will known, an option. ::grins:: They mean well though and I love them for their support.

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RE: Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/3/2008 10:27:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
Bound, I actually do have script meds for the pain. I hate them. I'm allergic to both codeine and asprin so am limited on which pain meds I can take
You may not be "allergic" to codiene; it causes itching and other histamine reactions in many people. usually alleviated by taking a benadryl.
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 and the ones I have make me stupid and fairly useless the next day.
The mistake many people make is to not give their bodies time to get acclimated to opioid analgesics. The sedation usually goes away after the first few days. I take Oxycontin, and all I have are pain relief and some constipation. I function much better with it than without, and so do the vast majority of those who take it long enough to get past the undesirable side effects. NEVER tell your doctor they make you feel good. In Puritan Amerika, feeling good from anything except alcohol is bad, evil, Satanic. 

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RE: Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/3/2008 11:37:18 PM   
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You may not be "allergic" to codiene; it causes itching and other histamine reactions in many people. usually alleviated by taking a benadryl.
 

I don't react with itching although I did get an ugly case of hives the one and only time I ever took codiene. It was the violent vomiting and inability to breath which sent me to the hospital though.

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The mistake many people make is to not give their bodies time to get acclimated to opioid analgesics. The sedation usually goes away after the first few days. I take Oxycontin, and all I have are pain relief and some constipation. I function much better with it than without, and so do the vast majority of those who take it long enough to get past the undesirable side effects.



The pain from endometriosis is intermittent for me, not constant. My biggest issues are during ovulation and my period, otherwise, I'm usually okay unless Himself wants vaginal sex. That always hurts but I don't think I need the level of relief one would need from constant pain. I'm sorry that you have to go through that and I'm happy you found something which has helped to alleviate your symptoms. I just need a little help a few times a month for a few days at a time which is why I'm looking at something which is organic or holistic in nature and which, hopefully, I can do without scripts from a doctor. I guess my post sounded pretty whiney, but, over all, it's not that bad and I can grin and bear it if I have too. I just was hoping that Himself didn't have to grin and bear with me at the same time, so I'm looking at options. I'm on my period right now, so really feeling it and I guess I should have gotten a cheese course to go with the whine. ::chuckles:: 

Thank you for the post.

Celeste

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RE: Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/4/2008 1:13:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hippiekinkster
You may not be "allergic" to codiene; it causes itching and other histamine reactions in many people. usually alleviated by taking a benadryl.
 

I don't react with itching although I did get an ugly case of hives the one and only time I ever took codiene. It was the violent vomiting and inability to breath which sent me to the hospital though.

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The mistake many people make is to not give their bodies time to get acclimated to opioid analgesics. The sedation usually goes away after the first few days. I take Oxycontin, and all I have are pain relief and some constipation. I function much better with it than without, and so do the vast majority of those who take it long enough to get past the undesirable side effects.



The pain from endometriosis is intermittent for me, not constant. My biggest issues are during ovulation and my period, otherwise, I'm usually okay unless Himself wants vaginal sex. That always hurts but I don't think I need the level of relief one would need from constant pain. I'm sorry that you have to go through that and I'm happy you found something which has helped to alleviate your symptoms. I just need a little help a few times a month for a few days at a time which is why I'm looking at something which is organic or holistic in nature and which, hopefully, I can do without scripts from a doctor. I guess my post sounded pretty whiney, but, over all, it's not that bad and I can grin and bear it if I have too. I just was hoping that Himself didn't have to grin and bear with me at the same time, so I'm looking at options. I'm on my period right now, so really feeling it and I guess I should have gotten a cheese course to go with the whine. ::chuckles:: 

Thank you for the post.

Celeste
A lady friend of mine got the hives from some poppy tea a couple weeks ago, which is codeine and morphine (btw, the body converts codeine into morphine at about 10%; the metabolites of both codeine and morphine are stronger than the parent molecules).

Even if the pain is intermittent (much pain is like that; my chronic pain can be), the body will normally still have much unhappiness as a consequence of the pain. Things one wouldn't expect, like tooth decay. Pain should be treated.

I had three epidurals in Feb/March, and they helped my back pain some (maybe 25% or so). I do some exercise, meditate, use a TENS, sometimes a muscle relaxer, hot baths, use back support, and watch my posture. I also have chronic pain elsewhere, for which there are no good PT treatments. Also, I have found that Wellbutrin and Celexa help. (I'm not one who tries to stay "natural", whatever that is. I use what works.).

My point is, long-term pain is bad for the body and the head. If'n you want some links, I'll be happy. Peace.

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RE: Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/4/2008 4:30:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

Also, have you thought about trying the heating pad on your belly while using a wrapped ice pack around your neck?

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This is great advice! I will try it too :) You Rock Angelika!!

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RE: Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/4/2008 5:08:58 PM   
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RE: Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/5/2008 7:44:38 AM   
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I guess my post sounded pretty whiney, but, over all, it's not that bad and I can grin and bear it if I have too. I just was hoping that Himself didn't have to grin and bear with me at the same time, so I'm looking at options. I'm on my period right now, so really feeling it and I guess I should have gotten a cheese course to go with the whine. Celeste


I didn't think your initial post sounded whiney Celeste.  :)  It simply sounded like someone asking for ideas.

If you practise meditation at all maybe doing some sort of meditation where you are sitting with your pain.  Hook in your observer self- the part of you that simply notices the things that are happening eg. really get to know the pain and discomfort you are feeling - where is it most uncomfortable, what do you feel, where does it start, where does it finish, does it move, heavy or light, throbbing or not, are the edges of the sensation sharp or blurry, does it have a colour etc etc.  Then focus on breathing into the sensation, create room for it inside you, with each breath in breathing into and around it.  Not trying to push the discomfort away or avoid it...but letting it remain there.  third step, whilst continuing with the observing and breathing...focus on allowing the discomfort to remain.  Not fighting with it, not trying to get rid of it. This doesn't mean that you like it or want it to be there but that you are willing to let it be there. If you notice your mind getting distracted thank your mind for the thought and gently return your attention back to your breathing. Keep doing this exercise until you feel that you have let go of the struggle with the discomfort and are willing to let it be there.  Sometimes the sensation changes during this exercise...sometimes it doesn't.  the purpose of this is to stop struggling with the discomfort ...examples of struggling are when you feel the first twinges and maybe think  'oh no, it's starting again, there goes my week' or 'Í will never get rid of this pain' ...these are thoughts which can add another level of emotional suffering to the physical pain.

The above is an exercise I use all the time with people who struggle with any kind of discomfort and it is from a therapeutic/counselling technique called ACT - acceptance and commitment therapy.


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RE: Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/5/2008 1:09:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hippie: Any links you are willing to provide would be appreciated.

Angelika: I set up an ice pack for my neck at your suggestion and in anticipation of having a hot flash in the wee hours, then, of course, slept through the night without one! ::laughs:: I'm keeping the ice pack ready for next time though.

Wandersalone, I am a firm believer in meditation and having been doing so for many years to keep grounded and centered. That is, generally, my first course of action for most minor aches and pains, and dull or throbbing sort of pain. Endo's not like that though. It's so sudden and sharp and there is, literally, no way to prepare for an attack because of the intesity and inability to anticipate it. There are no twinges with endo. It's right there, full blown and immediate. The only way I've found to describe it is to imagine Edward Scissorhands grabbing hold of your ovaries without your knowledge then twisting them violently while stabbing and slashing at the same time. That's pretty close to accurate. Honestly, I don't know that I would think about trying to meditate during the middle of an attack, but I'll try to keep it in the back of my mind and give it a shot if I can. It certainly won't hurt! Thanks for the input.

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RE: Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/12/2008 6:44:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bita, here's a group I look at sometimes.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.chronic-pain/topics?lnk=gschg&hl=en

http://www.mywhatever.com/cifwriter/library/70/4919.html

I use meditation/creative visualization for help in controlling my pain, but my pain isn't the stabbing pain you get. I don't know that it would help sharp stabbing pains all that much.

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RE: Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/13/2008 7:05:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am sorry to hear that you* are suffering from endometriosis. As you are probably aware, with endometriosis, the endometrium invades the deeper tissue of the uterus and, therotically, can appear anywhere in the body.A good choice is Neurontin (a.k.a. Gabapentin). It was originally developed to treat epilepsy but has shown to be able to treat an assortment of diseases. Its main mode of action is to calm nerves - literally. If the endometriosis has indeed encroached on a nerve bundle then Neurontin is the drug of choice since it can "deaden" nerve cells and thus "numbs" nerve pain. Neurontin has an excellent safety profile and can be safely taken at relatively high doses.

Also: Motrin

Re: Rolfing and shiatsu. They did not work for one of my sub girlfriends and caused her higher levels of persistent pain. When she used Neurontin combined with a heating pad on her tummy for 20 minutes on warm it helped her out a lot. She also took hot baths.

Mulitple G spot orgasms can also release a lot of good hormones, endorphins, dopamines, and flushes the area with fresh blood cells and oxygen.
 With the focus being on the G spot, much less stress happens to the cervix and those general areas of pain.

Magnesium and calcium can also be very helpful.



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RE: Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/13/2008 2:32:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been on both the recieving side and the watching side of Rolfing. The sessions were given by multiple rolfers through various stages of the sessions (supposedly once you go past 3 you have to finish them) It is a wonderful treatment that can ease the pain of many trauma's. It is a very invasive procedure that happens once a week for 10 sessions. Each session is based on specific locations of the body and almost never repeats although it does overlap areas from session to session. One of the sessions focuses specifically on the abdomen; however, it does not go deep enough to effect the uterus. Rolfing is specifically about breaking up the trauma in the facia tissue surrounding muscles. I can tell you from experience that Rolfing DOES increase the pain threshold and lower the existing pain. However, it is a VERY painful procedure when done correctly as you are literally tearing muscle and facia tissue. This may be the exact reason for the increased threshold with those that go to a rolfer. It also releases large amounts of toxins into the bloodstream which need to be flushed with lots of water.

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RE: Pain management: Rolfing & Shiatsu - 5/30/2008 8:56:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Celeste--

Have you tried Reiki?  It is similar to something another woman mentioned on here.  It is the laying on of hands for healing.  You should be able to find a good Reiki praticioner in your area and after one or two sessions notice a difference.  Once you get into it a litle bit you can recieve training to be able to do it yourself.

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