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innocentangel -> a Master's story (7/22/2004 11:00:26 AM)

as this girl has mentioned, she has been recently collared to a R/T gorean Master. Upon getting to know Him more, He has told her His story of discovering He was a Master. It was very interesting, and this girl has gained alot of trust in Him. He learned everything He knows from a Mentor, and He sat and went through most of the things His slave would possibly ever go through, from flogging, whipping, canning, being clamped, etc.. from this girls humble heart, she's developed quite a sense of pride and honor for Him.........how many Masters out there go through such things so that they better understand how their slave feels??? it just touches angel's heart knowing most Master's are the Dominant one and wouldn't think of going through what they put their slaves through......just some ponderings, and wondering if Any out there have done this as well.

respectfully-
innocents at it purest....
angel



Thanatosian -> RE: a Master's story (7/22/2004 12:47:00 PM)

have not gone through it at the hands of another dominant, but, as I have stated in other threads, I have, at one time or another, used every toy I own on myself before I use it on a submissive so that I know what it feels like (the only exceptions being some of my latter acquired insertables)

Apply usual caveats here



MrThorns -> RE: a Master's story (7/22/2004 1:43:44 PM)

I have felt what most of my toys feel like, have been cut, pierced, cupped, etc.. I can't say that I know what its like to be submissive, but I do work with a Master who Mentors me from time to time. It's nothing like Old Guard... but still very informative.

I tihkn more dominants should get out find someone to use their toys on them....get to know what sensations are produced. Puts a lot of things into perspective.

~Thorns



kiki blue -> RE: a Master's story (7/22/2004 2:48:07 PM)

Discovering what a toy feels like on you, isn't the same as discovering what a toy will feel like to someone else. Especially as we all process pain and sensation differently. You can get a good idea "this is stingy" and "that is thuddy", but that doesn't mean you'll know for sure they'll like it.

Even if you've experienced a wide range or toys and play, if you're no submissive in nature, then you'll never understand what it's like to submit to someone and the toys and the pain. You can get a snapshot of it, but you won't take in the whole view.



proudsub -> RE: a Master's story (7/22/2004 6:43:36 PM)

Here are two similar threads. Damn i'm getting good at this looking up old threads LOL[:)]

mentors

getting experience



SherriA -> RE: a Master's story (7/22/2004 9:17:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kiki blue

Discovering what a toy feels like on you, isn't the same as discovering what a toy will feel like to someone else. Especially as we all process pain and sensation differently. You can get a good idea "this is stingy" and "that is thuddy", but that doesn't mean you'll know for sure they'll like it.


Indeed.

There's no way anyone else can know how something will feel *to me*, especially since sometimes the exact same sensation will feel different from one day to the next. There are too many variables involved for anyone to get a significant understanding of what *I* experience simply by having a similar impliment used on him/her.

If someone wants to know how a certain toy feels *to me*, the best thing to do is ask *me*. Any my answer won't be relevant for anyone else.

I don't see any particular benefit to someone enduring something they find distasteful, just to try and see it "from the other side". They're not going to have the same experience as someone who enjoys it, so what are they really learning?

Ask two people - one who enjoys canes and one who doesn't - what a cane feels like and you're going to get different responses. Add in a top who's not experienced with pain processing and doesn't have a masochistic streak, and the experience is that much further away from the one of the person who enjoys them.

If a particular top finds bottoming to be helpful, then great. Go for it; do whatever works for you. To suggest that everyone can gain insight from it is simply false, imx. To suggest that anyone can understand how I experience something simply by being on the receiving end of it isn't accurate.



Thanatosian -> RE: a Master's story (7/23/2004 5:05:07 AM)

apologies for any misconceptions - had not meant to imply that from applying toys to myself I would know exactly what it felt like to the submissive - meant more along the lines of stingy or thuddy or sharp cutty or line of fire (for you cane enthusiasts) and should have said so

and it is true that the reaction will change, not only from sub to sub, but also from day to day with the same sub (as Sherri pointed out) - but by trying the toys on myself I can get somewhat of a gauge on how it feels and (in the case of percussive toys) how much force I should use when applying it - although this too will vary from sub to sub

hope this helps clarify my position on this - if it sounds a bit rambly, well all I can say is its still before coffee[:D]



Interesdom -> RE: a Master's story (7/25/2004 3:36:48 PM)

As someone who is psychologically incapable of submitting very much (I even dislike being told what to do by traffic police, though cope with it) I can't ever hope to know what it's really like to enjoy submission. From long observation, I can appreciate that some other people do get something from it, sometimes or in some circumstances, but I am not them.

As for use of implements or other pain-inducing things, I have no interest in pain yet have trained to withstand a great deal of it. If I were to blandly assume that the sensations I or anyone else will cause from using an implement on me were similar to what I can induce within a submissive woman (when, at any rate, it's her mind I'm toying with far more than her body) then I should be locked up! If I were to assume that she can take anything like the same pain threshold, I'd be as dangerous to her as I am trained to be to an enemy.

Sure, tie a rope around yuorself so you KNOW what a limb turning blue looks like; test the sharpness of an implement on youself so you KNOW the force required to damage but unless you have some submissive / masochistic streak within you, don't ever assume that what you feel is anything like what a submissive / masochist can feel. I can make a girl wet herself with fear without touching her but try the same tactic on me and you could have a few broken bones: we all react differently.


(N.B. For the sake of any prospecitve sub/slave: I'm not a sadist so don't get too scared. Just because I can do something doesn't mean I will do it.)



innocentangel -> RE: a Master's story (7/26/2004 6:30:22 AM)

thank you for your post interesdom. i found it very interesting and compelling.

quote:

(N.B. For the sake of any prospecitve sub/slave: I'm not a sadist so don't get too scared. Just because I can do something doesn't mean I will do it.)


and this just made me smile. thanks again.

innocent angel



Sinergy -> RE: a Master's story (7/26/2004 9:46:16 AM)

Hello,

quote:

Just because I can do something doesn't mean I will do it.


I am the same way, Interesdom, and I wanted to comment that this
sentence to me encapsulates my ideas of what having power and
dominance is all about.

It is not what you have, it is what you do with what you have that matters.

Sinergy



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