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MontrealPhoenix -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 9:28:50 AM)
Nooooooooooooooooo!!!! I won't give up my true submissive card, i WON'T and you can't make me. I'm not giving back the secret decoder ring and you can't make me!

SteelofUtah -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 9:29:53 AM)
Now this could be a fun question I need to think on in but see this removes the idea of right and wrong and asks What Drives a Submissive. This is a Question I like. Now you only have to deal with the people who will give you the Stock Answers of "Because I enjoy it" but we will see where it goes. I'll Return on this after I give it a good thought and talk to my girls about it.* Steel

Padriag -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 9:30:54 AM)
Therein lays the flaw in your question. All you will likely get from the majority here are personal perspectives, personal opinions, etc... subjective answers. If you want to boil submission down to its objective realities, refer to a good text on behavioral psychology and work from there. The answer you seek simply isn't to be found within the "BDSM community", which ironically enough probably does more to obsfucate definitions of dominance and submission than anyone else.

SteelofUtah -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 9:34:08 AM)
Padriag, That was very well said and I agree whole heartedly. Steel

fluffyswitch -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 9:47:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Padriag Therein lays the flaw in your question. All you will likely get from the majority here are personal perspectives, personal opinions, etc... subjective answers. If you want to boil submission down to its objective realities, refer to a good text on behavioral psychology and work from there. The answer you seek simply isn't to be found within the "BDSM community", which ironically enough probably does more to obsfucate definitions of dominance and submission than anyone else. check out the sociological theories of deviance as well (and my normal disclaimer that deviance does not equal bad). there's some interesting work by a guy named weinberg (he teaches at buff state and one of teh girls in my cohort actually studied underneath him...i'm jealous).

Owner4SexSlave -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 10:49:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin My intention of the question was not to learn what an individual's own idea of what the true nature is, but what submission boils down to, what is the need someone feels that they would submit themself to another human being. There are naturally leaders and naturally followers, that is humanity, by that I understand there are natural Dominants and natural submissives, but what defines a human's need to submit, is it the nature of them or is there another reason. I believe you can not honestly boil it down into something so simple. Because of the many reasons. Combination of things; Biological, Conditioning; Personal Belief systems; Social Conditioning; Personality; blah blah blah.... There are different motivations and driving forces behind submission. There is no single answer, but multiple answers. you can't boil it down to one truth. Save the fact that they submit.

kiwisub12 -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 10:59:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin A simple question; What is the true nature of submission ? What is a true submissive ? If life is like a box of chocolates, then the true nature of submission is like a bowl of cherries - you never know how sweet one is, until you try it. [sm=cute.gif]

Level -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 11:13:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin A simple question; What is the true nature of submission ? What is a true submissive ? Someone that has an almost overwhelming desire to please me, and obey me. That, in my world, is "true".

softness -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 12:01:48 PM)
I am a true submissive because I was trained in Europe .. in one of the Great Old Houses. Many years of intensive schooling , of mind body and soul went into my training as one of the few true submissives left on earth. My True Masters were themselves trained in the dark arts and had lived as slaves under previously trained Masters, this cycle running back generation upon generation to the foundation of the House under the Pagan Fathers. You may have heard of the Illuminati, they were a splinter group of our House cast out because of their forward thinking ways. Many famous Masters and slaves have passed through our Hallowed Halls, all trained in the True Arts. We walk the Earth looking for all the world like mortals, but really we have been blessed with the knowledge of Ages, I am one of the last truly trained submissives and without me, true submission will die out. Thus I must be allowed to live the rest of my days in true submission, laying on a silk cushion, being fed chocolate and rubbed with jelly.

BitaTruble -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 12:10:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin A simple question; What is the true nature of submission ? What is a true submissive ? I don't think the first question can be answered. It's just way to subjective. My answer to the second question: A true ________ (fill in the blank with choice of orientation) is someone who figures out what being a ________ is to them and then makes their best effort to live as they have defined. As time goes on and my definitions adjust, so does my behavior and the way I live. Celeste

Level -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 12:12:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: softness I am a true submissive because I was trained in Europe .. in one of the Great Old Houses. Many years of intensive schooling , of mind body and soul went into my training as one of the few true submissives left on earth. My True Masters were themselves trained in the dark arts and had lived as slaves under previously trained Masters, this cycle running back generation upon generation to the foundation of the House under the Pagan Fathers. You may have heard of the Illuminati, they were a splinter group of our House cast out because of their forward thinking ways. Many famous Masters and slaves have passed through our Hallowed Halls, all trained in the True Arts. We walk the Earth looking for all the world like mortals, but really we have been blessed with the knowledge of Ages, I am one of the last truly trained submissives and without me, true submission will die out. Thus I must be allowed to live the rest of my days in true submission, laying on a silk cushion, being fed chocolate and rubbed with jelly. I think this post qualifies you as one of the "illumi-naughty"..... [:D]

clevername2 -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 12:26:15 PM)
In the spirit of looking at things from many perspectives, here is mine. The will of the dominant is like the rolling ocean wave, and submission is like riding the wave. The dominant provides the force that acts on the sbmissive; to which he submits. I look for domination to be something that happens to me and to which I respond. Within limits, the idea is for the dominant to do what they like. Just do it. Be your dominant self, make use of me knowing I want to be used. Do not think of what I want. It doesn't exist. There is only your desire. Use me according to your desire. That is the nature of submission. You use me for your purpose. I like being used, so it works out.

mistoferin -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 12:30:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: clevername2 Do not think of what I want. It doesn't exist. There is only your desire. Well, that's certainly not in my true nature of submission.....

TreasureKY -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 1:03:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin What is a true submissive ? Easy enough to answer... To understand what a true™ submissive is, you need only to look to the definition of "true": true [image]http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png[/image] (trōō) adjective conforming to reality or fact; not false real; genuine; authentic sincere; not deceitful firm in allegiance; loyal; faithful; steadfast being or reflecting the essential or genuine character of something conforming to or consistent with a standard, pattern, or the like exact; precise; accurate; correct of the right kind; such as it should be; proper legitimate or rightful reliable, unfailing, or sure honest; honorable; upright So... a true™ submissive is one that... submits in a realistic way submits genuinely submits truthfully submits loyally submits naturally submits consistently submits accurately submits in the right way submits when appropriate submits reliably submits honestly Now... if you have a submissive who conforms to one or more of the above in your opinion, you can be assured he or she is true™. Failing that, you can always look for the true™ symbol tattooed, stamped, or branded on the lower right buttock. [;)]

beargonewild -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 1:27:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave I believe you can not honestly boil it down into something so simple. Because of the many reasons. Combination of things; Biological, Conditioning; Personal Belief systems; Social Conditioning; Personality; blah blah blah.... There are different motivations and driving forces behind submission. There is no single answer, but multiple answers. you can't boil it down to one truth. Save the fact that they submit. Yet isn't it the effects of all these reasons which makes the nature of submission or domination a truth for the individual? Granted there is no one absolute answer, just an answer that each one of us unique humans accepts as being true for us individually. I mean, what I believe is the true nature of me being submissive is solely based upon the experiences I had throughout my life. Thus, what I learned from these experiences is true for me and me alone. In the same manner that how you were raised and all you experienced up to this moment determines what is true for you and you alone. What we define as true has no definitive right or wrong answer as there are too many variables involved.

Aiden -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 2:40:24 PM)
A simple question; What is the true nature of submission ? What is a true submissive ? Simple is it? Simple as defining the true nature of god/s or daemons imho; that is to say subjective, manifesting in multiple layers of the mind and body, non-linear, sweet as sin nectar, bitter as tear wine....aery flights aside, I agree with the premiss submission can only be defined in personal terms and that those terms are subject to shifting with time and circumstance. I identify as submissive. When and who invokes my submission is very selective but that doesn't mean the reaction is always voluntary on my part. Most people who encounter me day to day would not think to associate me with submissiveness, if anything, the opposite. Likewise caricature dom/mes one encounters on the net or in 3space strike me mainly as being silly. Yet I'm drawn. Something in me seeks out those individuals who have that voodoo, a look, a gesture, a command and I'll find myself on my knees. Ready to give all. Yearning to. The next day I might get up and go take care of business taking for granted the submission of others to me in that venue. The question if that make me less 'pure' a submissive in my opinion is un-resolvable since in the end it boils down to semantics.

MontrealPhoenix -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 2:48:35 PM)
Hey softness, i knew you looked familiar, i think we may have been roommates. You forgot to mention that we never get old as we have been taught to master the aging process...or did i just give away one of our secrets? If so, my bad. phoenix

Lynnxz -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 3:16:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah [sm=banghead.gif] Thank you for another TRUE thread. In the future save everyone from having to type the exact same CRAP and just use your search function and see all the CRAP people have ALREADY said on the topic. Cause so far in the 11 years I have been at this lifestyle I have yet to hear anything NEW on the subject. Steel Best post in the whole thread

Justme696 -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 3:18:02 PM)
a true sub is the sub serving you....else you picked the wrong one (if you are a Dom/Domme)

slavegirljoy -> RE: What is the true nature of......... (5/17/2008 3:36:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin A simple question; What is the true nature of submission ? What is a true submissive ? You call these "simple" questions? Well, here is my "simple" answer: What is true for me today, will not be true for you or anyone else, ever. My truth is based on my own unique experiences and perspective. What is true? true (adjective) from Old English treowe faithful; akin to Old High German gitriuwi faithful, Old Irish derb sure, Date: before 12th century 1 a: steadfast, loyal b: honest, just 2 a (1): being in accordance with the actual state of affairs <true description> (2): conformable to an essential reality (3): fully realized or fulfilled <dreams come true> b: ideal, essential c: being that which is the case rather than what is manifest or assumed <the true dimension of the problem> d: consistent <true to character> 3 a: properly so called <true love> <the true faith> b (1): possessing the basic characters of and belonging to the same natural group as <a whale is a true but not a typical mammal> (2): typical <the true cats> 4: legitimate, rightful <our true and lawful king> 5 a: that is fitted or formed or that functions accurately b: conformable to a standard or pattern : accurate 6: determined with reference to the earth's axis rather than the magnetic poles <true north> 7: logically necessary 8: narrow, strict <in the truest sense> 9: corrected for error http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/true joy Owned servant of Master David

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