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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:17:38 PM   
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Okay, I think we've drove this into the ground enough.


Enter the calming voice of reason......



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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:19:32 PM   
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Ok here are some real examples.  I agree with kitten and I was there, hands on sleeping in a tent at night and working my ass off during the day, in New Orleans after Katrina.  I spent my time away from NO here in Lafayette working to set up temporary offices and find temporary work for people.  I spent my weekends here setting up a "Music Camp" to give the displaced kids something to do with their time.  If anyone thinks that the only people who actually care about people who are in trouble are those that aren't involved then they are mistaken.

I know people abuse the system.  I know there are assholes and jerkwads living on the system but then there are assholes and jerkwads who aren't living on the system.  I saw tons on "respectable" businessmen come from all of the US to "help" by getting every fed dollar they could while providing very little in terms of benefit for that dollar.  There were also people who came from all over who actually did help.  There are users and abusers on and off of welfare.

I'm glad I spent my time wading in waist deep "hoax" trying to find bits and pieces of people's lives.

As far there being a huge group of people that live off of the government, there is that group in every city.  When you congregate people with little or no income, little or no education and little or no hope into one area you get a ghetto.  Every city in the world that I have ever been in, and yes I do travel,  has them. 

As far as the rhetoric about being Christian, what gets said sometimes makes me want to vomit -- it destroys the name.  I don't know what bible you guys read but in the one I read Christ was asked what was truly important and the response was to put God above all else and lover your neighbor as yourself.  To me that says do all I can to help out the guy on the street.  I try my best to live up to my own morals -- sometimes I fail sometimes I succeed.  My spiritual thoughts are about what I should do not about what others should do.

As far as the OP goes, I can't really think that someone who bites and spits in public as a means of "defense" could be considered sane in anyone's book.  I don't believe in putting insane people in jail for the crime of being insane.

** Rant Over **





No how many times Oprah says that New Orleans was levelled by Katrina, it still never happened. 
Now those who went to where enormous numbers of homes were instantly reduced to kindling, and tried to help those folks glue things back together, know what devastation looks like.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/48135670@N00/108748122/
http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~bkv04/Data/katrina_aftermath_03.jpg
http://www.episcopalchurch.org/hires-image/katrina_aftermath_-_1.jpg
http://www.episcopalchurch.org/hires-image/katrina_aftermath_-_11.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankenspock/54943040/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankenspock/54941481/


Here's what New Orleans faced...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/slidelldan/450038003/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/64514569@N00/128191626/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/macliotr/43151665/
http://www.mongabay.com/images/external/2005/katrina-new-orleans-la-4-08-31-2005b.jpg


Everybody is free to set their own values... in my book, doing something that might harm another person isn't to be dismissed lightly because the person doing the harming has problems, or is old , or is young, or is rich,  etc. The response can be mitigated by factors like that, but they are just that... factors, not free passes.
In my book, the people in Mississippi are the real Katrina victims, and defending those New Orleans people who looked at the near miss as a chance to 'get over' on the system is nothing to applaud.

But that's just me.


True about the hell MS went through. We have friends that lived in Pass Christian; lived being the key word. They're back here, now.

http://katrinapics.passchristian.net/before_afters.htm

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:24:24 PM   
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The person generalizing here is you... others are pointing out the actual misdeeds of specific persons, and the harm they are causing to real Katrina victims... why are you trying to pretend that the New Orleans hoaxers are the victims of hate?


They are harming 'real' Katrina victims by making an unfortunate amalgam. If you cannot see that, there isn't much more to say.


I can see that you were defending the hoaxers and criticizing those pointing out the actual victims that you attempted to marginalize.  You are the one making the conflation.

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:25:17 PM   
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Okay, I think we've drove this into the ground enough.


Enter the calming voice of reason......



Howdy.

Level...you are just so darn cute!!!



I'm fascinating, too.

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:25:52 PM   
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This link about says it all on New Orleans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zO7JLFzOqE

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:27:24 PM   
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She answered - she said No - meaning thats shes all talk... She knows so much more than those of us whose cities are afflicted with them. Shes an expert on how we misjudge them, how we lack compassion, how we stereotype the multigenerational welfare class, blah blah blah ... BUT she wont face them herself in their own hood - not even in broad daylight. Shes a regular mother teresa.... LMFAO.


You don't know why she said no. Maybe she's caring for a sick child or parent or doesn't have the money to get to Texas. Maybe she's a criminal on probation and not allowed to leave her own state! There could be hundreds of reasons other than what you suggest. 

Without any further clarification which she's already stated is no one's business you are doing nothing more than


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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:34:32 PM   
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Hey Dom Aviator.... are you serious about your offer?
If so times it by ten, and I'll go and distribute your food to your so called bad people ...and then when f*ck all happens to me you can donate another $5000 to charity since you're worth so much;-)
Now you answer ME, do we have a deal?

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:40:43 PM   
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Maybe I wasn't clear.  I was personally in both Mississippi and New Orleans immediately after Katrina.  My information comes from my own eyes and not some hand picked photos on the internet.  More people live in New Orleans than in Slidell, Gulfport Biloxi put together so more people (not buildings) were displaced.  I did not imagine block after block after block of houses completely underwater.  I did imagine finding 1000s of people's pets dead in their homes and back yards.  I did not imagine bull dozers leveling entire neighborhoods with all of the homes and people belongings.

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:43:28 PM   
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No Raven, the offer is for the all knowing ever wise Kittin... Shes the expert on these matters, and the injustices and wrongful stereotyping of these model citizens....  However, the offer stands for her....

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:44:51 PM   
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Ha... thought not;-)

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:51:02 PM   
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Damn right not... It wouldnt be worth 10K to get some chick from england Ive got no beef with hurt, (Which WOULD happen because even the PD and MS-13 avoid those areas) but it would be well worth $500 to ask the all knowing liberal how she likes them now ....  

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:55:56 PM   
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But it'd be worth $500 to see kittin hurt?

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 5:58:16 PM   
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LMFAO... Well we'll never know will we bc you don't have the balls to put your (obviously precious to you) money where your mouth is:)

Feel free to save yourself some dollar my friend but please don't imply it's for the good of my welfare, I've been to places that'd make your hair stand on end, where there's REAL trouble.



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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 6:02:50 PM   
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But it'd be worth $500 to see kittin hurt?
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It would be well worth $500 to see her outlook changed by real life exposure to those she knows nothing about but is the patron saint of... Like I said Houston PD and MS-13 dont go there, but Kittin should be fine shes the expert on them, their protector, their patron saint... The mother teresa of the downtrodden. They wouldnt turn on her now would they??? They wouldnt bite the hand thats trying to feed them....

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 6:05:52 PM   
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But it'd be worth $500 to see kittin hurt?
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It would be well worth $500 to see her outlook changed by real life exposure to those she knows nothing about but is the patron saint of... Like I said Houston PD and MS-13 dont go there, but Kittin should be fine shes the expert on them, their protector, their patron saint...


and if she gets hurt/killed in the process.....Gee, thats a damn shame, but it's ok Aviator...you would have proved your point.


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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 6:06:16 PM   
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The person generalizing here is you... others are pointing out the actual misdeeds of specific persons, and the harm they are causing to real Katrina victims... why are you trying to pretend that the New Orleans hoaxers are the victims of hate?


They are harming 'real' Katrina victims by making an unfortunate amalgam. If you cannot see that, there isn't much more to say.


most of the real katrina victims are already productive members of society again.  but too damn many of them are still sucking the tit of the government cow.....thing is, katrina chose to hit an area that was already pretty addicted to the tit.

and in the end it will probably help new orleans.  cause a good many of them are choosing to stay where they landed. we sure still have our share here in atlanta.  and they brought a shitload of crime when they first arrived.

thats just facts.



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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 6:10:21 PM   
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Some people would pay way more than that to see me get hurt  .

Now, Level, would you remind the man of some old-fashioned Texan gentlemanship, as you know it so well :-) ?

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 6:14:16 PM   
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It would be well worth $500 to see her outlook changed by real life exposure to those she knows nothing about but is the patron saint of... Like I said Houston PD and MS-13 dont go there, but Kittin should be fine shes the expert on them, their protector, their patron saint...


and if she gets hurt/killed in the process.....Gee, thats a damn shame, but it's ok Aviator...you would have proved your point.



Well thats why I asked if shes willing to put her ass where her mouth is...  I mean she knows so much about them and is soooooooooooooooo certain that those of us who actually have them in our cities are all wrong about them... But I already proved my point - shes smarter than she acts - she said no... Because deep down she knows what they are too - but its not PC for her to face her own fears and prejudices. Her mission is just to point fingers at others who actually face and admit their own.

And before you reverse the question - NO, I wouldnt do it either. Despite being a 6'4" 230 lb combat vet, I dont even drive through there without my Sig 226 out of the holster and in my lap. But then again Im just a closeminded bigot who doesnt understand them like she does.

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 6:14:26 PM   
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ya know what Aviator...you are so determined to be right that you are willing to put kittins life in danger. Seems to me the "NOLA" has nothing on you.

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RE: HIV positive man gets 35 year sentence for spitting... - 5/19/2008 6:17:47 PM   
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thats why I asked if shes willing to put her ass where her mouth is



 - I have basic notions of hygiene, thank you.

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