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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 3:01:45 PM

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By definition: If he also likes sex with females, he's bi-sexual. If he just likes to give head and anal, as you put it, he's GAY. I think it's very revealing how you say not to pass my ignorance on "us". I don't see anyone else taking your poistion. You sir are a bisexual male with very predominant gay tendencies. Get used to it. it won't change. That is my professional opinion.

I'm NOT flaming you, however you have made a point of stating that the above is your Professional Position. Ok now its time for you to state what Profession you are involved with and your Professional Qualifications (No I dont need to know which University you went to just Degrees, Diplomas or Certification) which allows you to make that statement. I may add that there quite a few here who have either majored in Psychology and/ or are Qualified Psychologists besides myself.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 3:06:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: realsumissive

By definition: If he also likes sex with females, he's bi-sexual. If he just likes to give head and anal, as you put it, he's GAY. I think it's very revealing how you say not to pass my ignorance on "us". I don't see anyone else taking your poistion. You sir are a bisexual male with very predominant gay tendencies. Get used to it. it won't change. That is my professional opinion.

Oh well since you put it sooooo straight foreward and one sided then I suppose you're absolutely right.
I must be bi with predominantly gay tendencies. mhmm, thats me 100% *rolls eyes*

Well if you insist on putting lables on everything, and keeping things in a black or white sense, then have fun.
I'm going to go join the the open minded group.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 3:28:05 PM

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ok, time to throw my 2 cents in here...i put forced bi on my list of things i am willing to do....does that mean i'm bi? Don't think so. Sexual orientation has a lot to do with sex, but a lot more to do with relationships and feelings. i do not enjoy sex with men and have never had a desire for any kind of intiment relationship with one. If the lady i am serving gets off on seeing me fucked by men, then i will let them. It has nothing to do with my desire to get near a dick, it has to do with making HER happy and turned on. To me, his dick is just an extention of her and no different than if she used a dildo on me. As far as claiming you know someones orientation based solely on the comments on this list, you don't know them, you have never met them and if they say they are straight, you need to accept that and move on.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 3:41:17 PM

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eh, karbon"c"opy

anyways. Just because you've had sex with a man does not make you bi sexual.
Hell even liking it does not make you bi sexual.

this is where i'd disagree with you, Karbon....if you enjoy sex with men as well as women, i'd think that might make you bisexual...

as always, your mileage may vary

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 4:56:47 PM

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Sex is sex. why dont people get that? there is nothing special to sex. Sexual orientation doesnt much have to do with the actual act of sex.

Relationships and Love, thats where sexual orentation comes into play. Why cant people just love someone or something without getting hung up on Hetero, Bi, and Gay.

Some peopel just have to learn how to let go.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 4:59:54 PM

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I wouldnt play with men if I wasnt ordered to. Its not something I like that much, but i'm open enough to just enjoy sex in all its forms.
I"m open minded and sexually liberated, not bi just sexual.

This sounds extremely much along the lines of what I posted before you. I wasn't knocking your "thing" so the virulence and defensiveness of your reply had to make me wonder. Why so much denial? It's not as if I think bi is a BAD thing-do you?

My initial response to this thread was :

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It's a fantasy concept-if the "devil made you do it"-you are held blameless,..........

It's about on a par with the "plausable deniability" bs the government is so fond of these days.

"We didn't REALLY do it,it just SEEMS that way!"

So the devil made you do it then? Your Top is to blame? How does SHE feel about that, then?

And isn't that a bit puritanical in outlook, for someone "'open minded"?

I ACCEPT that some people are bisexual- not a problem. Why is it a problem for you?

When it's ABOUT you?

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 5:21:53 PM

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I wouldnt play with men if I wasnt ordered to. Its not something I like that much, but i'm open enough to just enjoy sex in all its forms.
I"m open minded and sexually liberated, not bi just sexual.

This sounds extremely much along the lines of what I posted before you. I wasn't knocking your "thing" so the virulence and defensiveness of your reply had to make me wonder. Why so much denial? It's not as if I think bi is a BAD thing-do you?

My initial response to this thread was :

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It's a fantasy concept-if the "devil made you do it"-you are held blameless,..........

It's about on a par with the "plausable deniability" bs the government is so fond of these days.

"We didn't REALLY do it,it just SEEMS that way!"

So the devil made you do it then? Your Top is to blame? How does SHE feel about that, then?

And isn't that a bit puritanical in outlook, for someone "'open minded"?

I ACCEPT that some people are bisexual- not a problem. Why is it a problem for you?

When it's ABOUT you?

Like I said, I have no problem with being called Bi, I have a problem with people thinking that sexual activity has something to do with sexual orientation.

Call me bi, I dont care, I have no secrets, and I"m not ashamed of who I am.
Call it denial, or call it admittance, whatever you want, but I just think that the term bi is being held in a narrow minded way.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 5:38:40 PM

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OK, let me put my two cents in. I agree that is MADAM or Mistress requested I do something (Which I have done), it is to please her. Now a lot of people said, Bi right away. Now I have a question, if I am "NOT" sexually attracted to a male i.e. Erection, Sweats, Shakes, Goose Bumps or swooning, does that still mean I am Bi or Gay? I don't mind doing some things, if MADAM requested it, but it doesn't do a thing for me, Sexually, like all the above conditions?

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 5:48:47 PM

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I think, Bob, that what Karbon is trying to explain that being bisexual doesn't make it a sexual orientation... and many people cannot distiquish away from that. Being bisexual simply means having sex with both sexes... doesn't mean you have to be attracted or aroused... just being sexually active. Bisexualality is by its very nature - ambiguous.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 7:35:56 PM

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Thanks Dark. I guess maybe I was a little confused bty the same issue. But then, is Bi the same as being Gay then, where Gay men and women are only ATTRACTED to the same sex?

Still Confused, but not as much, BalletBob

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/22/2005 10:26:29 PM

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i'm confused.

<scratches head> Karbon by your definition - i'm not bi cos i dont want a relationship with a woman? Friends is good, but thats it. So i'm not bi?

Course they do have these hot little bodies, pinchable titties, rear ends i'd like to see slammed into, and cute little vagina's it'd be fun to watch bitten. Ooooooo and bodies i'd like to just feel.

i'm not bi, by your definition? As for you, you could be upside down for all i care. Which i dont really understand why anyone cares if you're bi or what you label yourself. And on the flip side.. why would you care what labeled basket they throw you into, in their brain? Silly people.

Ne ways, i always thought being bi was the attraction to both sexes. Physical attraction, ya know.

And then when it comes to what you are. i always thought its what leaves you feeling fullfilled at the end of the day.

Like D/s, i can Dom quite well actually, but at the end of the day it doesnt give me that warm cozy feeling. It doesnt float my boat. There fore........

Its what floats your boat. course then again i have a friend who gets turned on by looking at pics of penis's. He especially loves large horse penis's No kidding. Is he bi? Well he thought so, but trying to get it on with another guy just didnt do it for him. So he's in like a 4 year r/s with a girl right now. Other then his try with another guy.. he hasnt tried again. Guys dont float his boat.

So he's straight, but he likes to look at penis. <shrugs> Who ever said the human mind wasnt complicated?

edited for side note - You people are wierd to be argueing over something like this!

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 12:19:38 AM

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One school of thought will say that there is a latent aspect of homosexuality in every human being. It is just the degree of its prevelance which defines us as Hetrosexual, Bi-Sexual or Homosexual. That some people are more adventurous and experiment with both sexes in one form or another, OR in this case will do as they are commanded from the desire to obey and serve. Neither makes them bi-sexual. generally, a bi-sexual person is attracted sexually to both sexes. there is a dofference. In the words of a very straight male friend of mine; "I know out there somewhere is a male who can turn me on.....I prey to God that I never meet him!"

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 12:23:56 AM

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Karbon by your definition - i'm not bi cos i dont want a relationship with a woman?

I dont think thats was Karbons point. He simply said that having sex has nothing to do with sexual preferences but many other things. As I already said, I can have two men having sex on my demand and neither of them would be sexually involved or even interested in other males ever after.

But there is another thing. I am bisexual and I define myself as bisexual without problems. But I dont define myself as biamourous. I enjoy having sex with women and thats that - I am never going to get involved emotionally with female besides mild friendship. It just doesnt happen. I can only "love" men, and funny enough, one at the time. Although I can happily screw around with any male or female I find appealing at the same time (if my "loved one" has nothing against it).

So I am bisexual and polysexual, but monoamorous - I do hope I didnt invent a new word now

, but that is exactly what I am. I want to have sex with women and I dont want to have relationships with them, and I still consider myself bisexual.
The thing is I find women appealing, I am not getting involved with them for any other reasons but because I want to. Still, I can imagine plenty of reasons for someone actually "straight" screwing with the same sex from time to time.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 8:24:20 AM

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Definition aside, there can be, and would be serious ramifications involed in what many state as "forced" bi-sexuality. If a dominant female were to require a submissive to have sex with another man for her pleasure, the end result could be that the sub finds it so humiliating that he takes drastic measures. I can quote hundreds of case studies where after having a sexual encounter with someone of the same sex, a person found it so disgusting, and revolting that they ended their life. Unfortunately, the after feelings can only be experienced after the fact.

There are many, many threads on this site pertaining to dangerous forms of play. This should be at the top of the list. I for one, have no desire now, have never, and believe it is unlikely that I ever will want to have sex with another man. For some dommes, who love edge paly, there can be scenes where he/she could render the sub/slave incapable of resisting through bondage and other means. I can see where a domme could if she desires, place a man in inescapable and severe bondage, use an "O" ring gag, and then have a man enter the sub's mouth with his penis. Although the sub may not do anything to further arouse the preditor, the after effects could be disasterous.

For those of you that do not have a problem with this form of play, I can see where it may be very erotic, but for those that would be repulsed, it may not be a good idea to go there. That's why open and honest communication is essential.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 8:28:17 AM

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Nodding,or the victim may well decide to take it out on the Domme after that fact. There have been a few cases of murders after a sub flipped out over things like this.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 9:31:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: realsumissive

Definition aside, there can be, and would be serious ramifications involed in what many state as "forced" bi-sexuality. If a dominant female were to require a submissive to have sex with another man for her pleasure, the end result could be that the sub finds it so humiliating that he takes drastic measures. I can quote hundreds of case studies where after having a sexual encounter with someone of the same sex, a person found it so disgusting, and revolting that they ended their life. Unfortunately, the after feelings can only be experienced after the fact.

There are many, many threads on this site pertaining to dangerous forms of play. This should be at the top of the list. I for one, have no desire now, have never, and believe it is unlikely that I ever will want to have sex with another man. For some dommes, who love edge paly, there can be scenes where he/she could render the sub/slave incapable of resisting through bondage and other means. I can see where a domme could if she desires, place a man in inescapable and severe bondage, use an "O" ring gag, and then have a man enter the sub's mouth with his penis. Although the sub may not do anything to further arouse the preditor, the after effects could be disasterous.

For those of you that do not have a problem with this form of play, I can see where it may be very erotic, but for those that would be repulsed, it may not be a good idea to go there. That's why open and honest communication is essential.

Are you talking about plain rape? If you are, I find it odd putting it in front of people who always point consensuality as a must in whatever they do.

If you are saying that mature and relatively sane male subs are so fragile that they are going to willingly try something and then "flip" and kill themselves - excuse me but I simply dont believe that. Please do quote that "hundreds of case studies".

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 10:52:19 AM

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Are these the same case studies that say that the fetish/bdsm world are a result of a mental desease?

Rape is rape.
Sure we do play rape in the lifestyle, but its play.

Forced bi does not mean that we are going to ignore a hard limit. We do nothing BUT respect hard limits here. If you dont you dont belong.

Forced Bi is being ordered to engaged in "bisexual" activities that they would not normally do on their own, but are willing to engage in such activities to please their Dom/me.

I suggest reading a few articles some time realsubmissive, you may be surprised just how this consensual world works. We do not condone non-consensual activities in our lifestyle. or those who voilate the rights of others.

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 11:07:40 AM

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saying that someone who is open to Forced Bi is definitely Bisexual doesn't make any more sense to me than saying that someone who is into S&M would appreciate getting beat up on the street. context matters

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 11:11:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: realsumissive

Definition aside, there can be, and would be serious ramifications involed in what many state as "forced" bi-sexuality. If a dominant female were to require a submissive to have sex with another man for her pleasure, the end result could be that the sub finds it so humiliating that he takes drastic measures. I can quote hundreds of case studies where after having a sexual encounter with someone of the same sex, a person found it so disgusting, and revolting that they ended their life. Unfortunately, the after feelings can only be experienced after the fact.

There are many, many threads on this site pertaining to dangerous forms of play. This should be at the top of the list. I for one, have no desire now, have never, and believe it is unlikely that I ever will want to have sex with another man. For some dommes, who love edge paly, there can be scenes where he/she could render the sub/slave incapable of resisting through bondage and other means. I can see where a domme could if she desires, place a man in inescapable and severe bondage, use an "O" ring gag, and then have a man enter the sub's mouth with his penis. Although the sub may not do anything to further arouse the preditor, the after effects could be disasterous.

For those of you that do not have a problem with this form of play, I can see where it may be very erotic, but for those that would be repulsed, it may not be a good idea to go there. That's why open and honest communication is essential.

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ORIGINAL: realsumissive

By definition: If he also likes sex with females, he's bi-sexual. If he just likes to give head and anal, as you put it, he's GAY. I think it's very revealing how you say not to pass my ignorance on "us". I don't see anyone else taking your poistion. You sir are a bisexual male with very predominant gay tendencies. Get used to it. it won't change. That is my professional opinion.

I'm NOT flaming you, however you have made a point of stating that the above is your Professional Position. Ok now its time for you to state what Profession you are involved with and your Professional Qualifications (No I dont need to know which University you went to just Degrees, Diplomas or Certification) which allows you to make that statement. I may add that there quite a few here who have either majored in Psychology and/ or are Qualified Psychologists besides myself.

OK realsumissive, my question which you have ignored still stands. What are your professional qualifications???? Or are you going to ignore anyone who challanges your assertive statements?

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RE: Forced Bi - 10/23/2005 11:23:21 AM

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OK realsumissive, my question which you have ignored still stands. What are your professional qualifications???? Or are you going to ignore anyone who challanges your assertive statements?

I am waiting for that one too.
I just love when someone who obviously has uncleared issues with themselves try to mask their internal fears behind "professional qualifications" and "horror stories".

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