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do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/23/2004 1:08:50 AM   
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And have you acted on yours?

If yes, in a dom or sub role
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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/23/2004 5:30:58 AM   
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I don't think I can globalize and say I believe everyone has same sex fantasies. Other than prepubesent curiosity play, yes I have thought about it, had chances to act on it and didn't.

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/23/2004 6:00:03 AM   
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No, I don't have same sex fantasies.. I am heterosexual, all my fantasies are about men.

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/23/2004 7:12:13 AM   
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Never had one. The closest I come is tying a husband up so he can watch me use his wife.

That said, I still consider my primary sex to be "dominant" and I do get a thrill thinking about topping a woman who is topping a man. Given the right situation, I am certain I would top (I am thinking of bondage or torture scenes here) a man, but there would be very little true "sexual" charge in it for me, and all of that would be from the power exchange.

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/23/2004 7:53:42 AM   
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quote:

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Never had one. The closest I come is tying a husband up so he can watch me use his wife.

That said, I still consider my primary sex to be "dominant" and I do get a thrill thinking about topping a woman who is topping a man. Given the right situation, I am certain I would top (I am thinking of bondage or torture scenes here) a man, but there would be very little true "sexual" charge in it for me, and all of that would be from the power exchange.

I'm starting to really adore your kinky mind! I agree that BDSM doesn’t necessarily have to be sexual. I, myself, have played with one masochist woman who were pretty much hetero, as she appreciated my sadistic style, but there was nothing intimately sexual by as per her request. I am also now reminded of Lawrence’s post about he and his valet Johnny.

On the topic at hand now…
I like Dr. Kinsey’s theory on sexual preference. His research has been supported over the years by other researchers such as Masters & Johnson. Instead of saying that people are homo/hetero, he developed a 7-point scale and he also emphasized continuity between the gradations:
0 - exclusively heterosexual
1 - predominantly heterosexual, incidentally homosexual
2 - predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3 - equally heterosexual and homosexual
4 - predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5 - predominantly homosexual, incidentally heterosexual
6 - exclusively homosexual

He also took into account 2 variables: fantasy & frequency.

For example, I would consider myself a Kinsey 3 in fantasy but my reality is more a 2, maybe even 1.5, since in my “playground”, there are higher amount of male subs in the 0-4 area then female subs in the 2-6.

Two interesting tidbits on this topic:
1) Kinsey was a libertarian, a pervert and a self-masochist (he inflicted pain on himself, for example self-circumcision with a fountain pen) and self-admittedly a 4 on his own scale.
2) The word "homosexual" was coined in 1869 by Hungarian physician Karoly Maria Benkert. The word heterosexual was coined afterwards. Foucault, on who’s writings is the foundation of whole tenets of studies in sexuality, argues that before 1870, same-sex acts were seen as forbidden, illegal and sinful, but a temptation to which an individual my succumb. The act, however, was not understood to constitute a certain kind of individual.

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/23/2004 10:58:31 AM   
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I don't

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/23/2004 11:23:42 AM   
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No, they do not. That isn't opinion that is a fact.

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/23/2004 11:28:29 AM   
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Hello,

I have considered myself heterosexual my entire life, and I have only had one experience where I was remotely interested in having sex with a man, and it didnt go so far that I would qualify it as an actual fantasy. It was more based in my sexual attraction to a person's mind, as opposed to being attracted to their physical shell.

Thinking about having sex with men around or involved doesnt do anything for me. Unlike Taggard, I might tie up the husband in the other room and shut the door so I could do his wife, but having some other dude in the room when Im having sex doesnt do anything for me.

Men dont particularly interest me as sexual playthings, and I dont like most men enough to think of them as potential sex partners.

Sinergy

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/23/2004 11:34:26 AM   
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I don't believe Madonna and I have the same "sex" fantasies. I wouldn't be caught dead in those ugly pointy bras. Therefore I would have to say...No.

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/23/2004 1:51:02 PM   
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I think... not everyone has same sex fantasies.

Having said that, I think the human mind is extremely adaptable, especially when it comes to survival. If survival depended on it, I believe everyone has the capacity to learn to 'enjoy' homosexuality (or heterosexuality for that matter.)

But I'd have to agree with Taggard, the only extent of my interest in other men sexually, has to do with exertion of control - be it over the men or women involved. I'm not interested in men sexually, but their presence isn't an anathma to me in a scene or sexual situation.

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/23/2004 2:48:41 PM   
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Not that I've acted upon. I admit there were times in highschool you admired a chick's butt and then saw it was a dude.

Speaking of which, I won't even see Catwoman because Halle Berry has a stunt double that is a guy. C'mon I'm scarred enough after that "chick" in the 10th grade.

Seriously, no. Topcat's ass did nothing for me.

(I origionally had "scared" not "scarred". It kinda changed the joke a bit.)

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/23/2004 6:06:36 PM   
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Yes I have had them, yes I have acted upon them, yes I have done so in a submissive way and yes I would do them again. But no, not everyone has sexual fantasies involving people of the same gender.

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/23/2004 6:19:47 PM   
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Yes i have had them and under the right circumstance would like to act on them, but haven't yet.

Here's a thread on bi-curious that i started a long time ago:
bi-curious

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/23/2004 6:33:42 PM   
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Does everyone? Nope. I don't think there's much of anything that you can accurately generalize about like that.

Have I? Sure. And acted on them too, when the energy was right. I'm heteroflexible, so I'm not really concerned if someone is an innie or an outtie; I'm interested in the *person* not his/her wabbly bits.

As for role, that has little if anything to do with it. I'm not big into d/s anyway, and my interactions are always dependent on the energy that flows between me and the person (or people) in question.

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/23/2004 8:04:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SherriA

I'm heteroflexible, so I'm not really concerned if someone is an innie or an outtie; I'm interested in the *person* not his/her wabbly bits.



Ok, so does that make me heteroinflexible because I only really like the hims with their wobbly bits?

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/24/2004 4:08:34 AM   
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quote:

heteroinflexible


heteroinflatable - likes to pretend they are a blow up doll as long as the doll user is of an opposite gender (How can you hold your mouth open so long?)

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/24/2004 10:32:57 AM   
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Actually, I believe everyone has the same sex fantasy.

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/24/2004 11:12:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Estring
Actually, I believe everyone has the same sex fantasy.


Wait Estring... that is *my* fantasy! ;) I fantasize that everyone has same sex fantasies...

All jokes aside, what is your rationale for this? I'm curious.

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/24/2004 11:49:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Estring

Actually, I believe everyone has the same sex fantasy.


So many males, so little time....*sigh*

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RE: do you believe everyone has same sex fantasies? - 7/24/2004 11:58:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring
Actually, I believe everyone has the same sex fantasy.

Wait Estring... that is *my* fantasy! ;) I fantasize that everyone has same sex fantasies...

All jokes aside, what is your rationale for this? I'm curious.

- LA


Never mind. I missed the the.

But still... we don't all have the same fantasy. Do you fantasize about sodomizing male slaves with a big black leather strap-on? (Which is only one of my sex fantasies!!) And even if you did, I would go out on a limb and think that probably only a handful of participants on this thread do.

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