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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Anybody notice that when the choice was between a Democratic decorated war hero and a non veteran the right wingers made a big deal about how that experience wasn't relevant and then attacked the man's service record while now that it is a Republican decorated war hero and a non veteran the self same right wingers are putting all their stock in military experience?

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Then you obviously have no experience with SSBI's, nor the security approval process. 

In other words, you do not understand what he is saying, and are basing your attitude on a lack of knowledge and your own prejudices.

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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Anybody notice that when the choice was between a Democratic decorated war hero and a non veteran the right wingers made a big deal about how that experience wasn't relevant and then attacked the man's service record while now that it is a Republican decorated war hero and a non veteran the self same right wingers are putting all their stock in military experience?

Sorry, i came in late, and missed the reference.  Who? and When?

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Also, we shan't mention the lines of blow and alcohol abuse.

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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam

In that case, i politely beg to differ. Mr Bush's experience as a Reservist qualified him as a veteran eligible for benefits.  While he may have not faced combat in that regard, by 2004 as POTUS he was responsible for command and control of US forces against an enemy that had attacked within the US.  If the primary or secondary goal was to prevent a follow up attack on US soil, i would say he did pretty well, decorations or not, and he did so without getting himself injured in combat (the requirement for the purple heart), although i do recall that he choked on a pretzel one night.  Ah well, not everyone's service record is spotless.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam

In that case, i politely beg to differ. Mr Bush's experience as a Reservist qualified him as a veteran eligible for benefits.  While he may have not faced combat in that regard, by 2004 as POTUS he was responsible for command and control of US forces against an enemy that had attacked within the US.  If the primary or secondary goal was to prevent a follow up attack on US soil, i would say he did pretty well, decorations or not, and he did so without getting himself injured in combat (the requirement for the purple heart), although i do recall that he choked on a pretzel one night.  Ah well, not everyone's service record is spotless.

Claiming that hiding in a unit meant to protect the privileged from danger and then not even having the honor to actually fulfill the requirements of the contract makes one a veteran is deeply offensive.

GWB should by all accounts have faced a general court and received, at best, a Bad Conduct Discharge if not actually getting jail time and a Dishionorable Discharge. Either of which would bar him from all benefits of service and therefore makes him not a veteran.

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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam
  Had that actually happened (dishonorable discharge and court martial) he probably would not have been elected.  Apparently no one with direct knowlege or authority gave this enough credence to pursue it. 
   On the other hand, his time as Commander in Chief of US forces in a time of conflict actually did happen.  And, incidentally would make him eligible for veteran's benefits on that basis.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam
Had that actually happened (dishonorable discharge and court martial) he probably would not have been elected.  Apparently no one with direct knowlege or authority gave this enough credence to pursue it. 
  On the other hand, his time as Commander in Chief of US forces in a time of conflict actually did happen.  And, incidentally would make him eligible for veteran's benefits on that basis.

So its all right with you that his immediate superiors ignored his criminal actions? And no, his time as POTUS does not qualify him for VA benefits. VA benefits are exclusively for those in uniform.

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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam

As flaky as it might seem, if no one files charges, there isn't a crime by definition. 

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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam
     Not only am i all right with that, but quite pleased that the Judicial, and the UCMJ can't convict someone without due process.  As flaky as it might seem, if no one files charges, there isn't a crime by definition.  That is why the police will often ask first if the complainant is willing to file charges.  I did not plan it but that is how things work.  It is considerably better than going to jail over innuendo and accusation.

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam

As flaky as it might seem, if no one files charges, there isn't a crime by definition. 

.......and in cases of witness intimidation? Or bribery? i take it you also believe that a tree falling in a forest really does make no sound if no-one is around to hear it. No tree either maybe.
Yup, to my ears your logic is flaky.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam
    Not only am i all right with that, but quite pleased that the Judicial, and the UCMJ can't convict someone without due process.  As flaky as it might seem, if no one files charges, there isn't a crime by definition.  That is why the police will often ask first if the complainant is willing to file charges.  I did not plan it but that is how things work.  It is considerably better than going to jail over innuendo and accusation.

That's disgusting.

BTW this isn't a case of innuendo or accusation. He clearly commited at least one federal felony while in the ANG.

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ORIGINAL: KaineD

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Quite frankly I find your attitude disgusting and lacking any real merit.

He has relatives who aren't US nationals?  Oh no!!  *shock*

Here's a shocker for you... so do about 80% of Americans.  Why?  'Cause most Americans when you go into family history aren't of American origin.  Only the 'Indians' are truely native.  How can it be any surprise that an American would likely have aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents living in other countries?

I have relatives in Canada and America.  Does that somehow make my American and Canadian cousins bad people?

"Oh no!  His middle name is Hussein!!  RUN FOR THE HILLS!!"

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

The enemy of my enemy is my friend-I'm gonna vote for him.

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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

The enemy of my enemy is my friend-I'm gonna vote for him.

Yay! More and more people are saying that: it's fantastic :-) .