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kittinSol -> RE: McCain Reflects: "Torture Not So Bad After All" (6/6/2008 2:45:00 PM)
You bring reality into an equation where it has no place at all. I'm not into sophistry, however. If you cannot find meaning in anything else than pure hard facts, there's little else to discuss. That, too, is the order of things.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: McCain Reflects: "Torture Not So Bad After All" (6/6/2008 3:58:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol No thanks, I'll stick to my Puligny Montrachet. "Truth or consequences" indeed [:D] . PS: [8\|] And I'll keep my Chassagne Montrachet. "Les Chenovettes", right next to Le Montrachet. [8D]

DesertRat -> RE: McCain Reflects: "Torture Not So Bad After All" (6/6/2008 4:30:35 PM)
There actually is a town called Truth or Consequences in New Mexico. I couldn't make up something like that.

pollux -> RE: McCain Reflects: "Torture Not So Bad After All" (6/6/2008 5:30:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol At times the veracity of a story matters less than the allegory contained within it. The meaning's more important than whether it's based in facts. The word for that is "truthiness".

celticlord2112 -> RE: McCain Reflects: "Torture Not So Bad After All" (6/6/2008 7:43:03 PM)
quote: You bring reality into an equation where it has no place at all. I'm not into sophistry, however. You do realize these sentences contradict each other, right?

orfunboi -> RE: McCain Reflects: "Torture Not So Bad After All" (6/6/2008 7:46:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Are you and celticlord that limited that you cannot see there is meaning beyond that which can be found in facts? Never thought a song, or a novel, or a painting had meaning? A joke, a word, a legend? The Bible? And what makes those things, if it's not stories, allegories and metaphores? Good god [:(] . Songs, poems, novels, paintings, and even jokes have meanings. Those meanings will be found in the underlying facts. Reality is only fact. There is no dimension of reality that is not fact. And yes, kittin, that is the order of things. Thanks, I'm tired and you said it better than I would have anyway....Have a good night

CraZYWiLLiE -> RE: McCain Reflects: "Torture Not So Bad After All" (6/6/2008 8:40:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesertRat There actually is a town called Truth or Consequences in New Mexico. I couldn't make up something like that. Been through it many times...Sweet home New Mexico... Silly frogs, dont they know white flags mean surrender...

mnottertail -> RE: McCain Reflects: "Torture Not So Bad After All" (6/6/2008 8:49:27 PM)
I know you think that I shouldn't still love you, Or tell you that. But if I didn't say it, well I'd still have felt it where's the sense in that? I promise I'm not trying to make your life harder Or return to where we were I will go down with this ship And I won't put my hands up and surrender There will be no white flag above my door I'm in love and always will be I know I left too much mess and destruction to come back again And I caused nothing but trouble I understand if you can't talk to me again And if you live by the rules of "it's over" then I'm sure that that makes sense I will go down with this ship And I won't put my hands up and surrender There will be no white flag above my door I'm in love and always will be And when we meet Which I'm sure we will All that was there Will be there still I'll let it pass And hold my tongue And you will think That I've moved on.... I will go down with this ship And I won't put my hands up and surrender There will be no white flag above my door I'm in love and always will be I will go down with this ship And I won't put my hands up and surrender There will be no white flag above my door I'm in love and always will be I will go down with this ship And I won't put my hands up and surrender There will be no white flag above my door I'm in love and always will be

dcnovice -> RE: McCain Reflects: "Torture Not So Bad After All" (6/6/2008 9:01:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Are you and celticlord that limited that you cannot see there is meaning beyond that which can be found in facts? Never thought a song, or a novel, or a painting had meaning? A joke, a word, a legend? The Bible? And what makes those things, if it's not stories, allegories and metaphores? Good god [:(] . Songs, poems, novels, paintings, and even jokes have meanings. Those meanings will be found in the underlying facts. Reality is only fact. There is no dimension of reality that is not fact. And yes, kittin, that is the order of things. [sm=biggrin.gif] [sm=biggrin.gif] [sm=biggrin.gif] [sm=biggrin.gif] [sm=biggrin.gif] Roma locuta est. Causa finita est.

popeye1250 -> RE: McCain Reflects: "Torture Not So Bad After All" (6/6/2008 9:06:28 PM)
See? I've been telling you people that "torture" isn't that bad! Our Marines couldn't hold a candle to Tomas de Torquemada. And he was with the Catholic church! If I had kids they'd be waterboarded before they were 8. "Hee, hee, hee, do it AGAIN Daddy, do it again!"

DesertRat -> RE: McCain Reflects: "Torture Not So Bad After All" (6/6/2008 9:10:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 Songs, poems, novels, paintings, and even jokes have meanings. Those meanings will be found in the underlying facts. Reality is only fact. There is no dimension of reality that is not fact. And yes, kittin, that is the order of things. ...[sm=biggrin.gif] [sm=biggrin.gif] [sm=biggrin.gif] [sm=biggrin.gif] [sm=biggrin.gif]... Oh good, I'm not the only one who found that funny.

celticlord2112 -> RE: McCain Reflects: "Torture Not So Bad After All" (6/6/2008 10:06:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Roma locuta est. Causa finita est. Neither Rome nor St Augustine has spoken. Personally, I tend more towards Philip K. Dick: "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." And that which does not require belief is....fact.

dcnovice -> RE: McCain Reflects: "Torture Not So Bad After All" (6/6/2008 10:23:41 PM)
quote: Neither Rome nor St Augustine has spoken. Ah, but you do a breathtakingly funny imitation of Rome's speaking.

celticlord2112 -> RE: McCain Reflects: "Torture Not So Bad After All" (6/6/2008 10:36:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Neither Rome nor St Augustine has spoken. Ah, but you do a breathtakingly funny imitation of Rome's speaking. Ironic, because Augustine and his group had little use for reality or for fact. Myself, I've always preferred Pelagius (and not just because he was a heretic).

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