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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/25/2008 4:05:22 AM

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You can't make people do that which they don't want to do on some level. You may be able to make a person find something within themselves they didn't realise existed but that is it. Some might do it if they are on a humiliation high but if that is the case they'd probably regret it if when they came down from that high because it's something a lot of people struggle with and is something you can’t then just dismiss as a one off.

The old "forced bi" topic.
I actually agree to some degree with both sides.
I do happen to feel that with some men, it is a hard limit, and a line that they will not cross.
I also do not believe it is "forced" unless someone has a gun to your head.
There are many things that many people can not be forced to do, as strange as it seems.

This whole idea that because it's not truly forced, a sex act makes someone homosexual (or even bisexual) is complete BS. It fails on a couple levels: (1) the very definition of homosexual is that someone prefers the same gender, is attracted to the same gender for sex; performing an action doesn't make you homosexual, it's your preference that counts; (2) if "he's not really being forced" is your criteria for proof, then even a gun to his head doesn't qualify. A straight guy could always choose to have his brains blown out. If he chooses to suck another man's cock rather than have his head blown off, he's choosing the option that he dislikes the least. So if, instead of the gun, the second option is disappointing his mistress and/or facing the punishment she will give him, sucking cock may be the lesser of two evils, not a sexual preference.

First of all YOU started this back and forth conversation with ME, over MY comments.
*See post 145*
Regardless if a man is a masochist or is not a masochist.....
IF a man does not want to suck a cock and it is a hard limit, he
does NOT have to do it.

He always has the option to say no.
I think I addressed what you said in this paragraph, very well.
Again, we can always agree to SEE things differently.
Healthy debate is always fun.
I made my points, and you made your points.
Enjoy your fetishes and your life!

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/25/2008 10:45:27 AM

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As a bi male who has been a part of this sort of scene, I'd just like to point out a few things:

1) straight guys, doing this for the first time, are really BAD at it. Seriously, it's a little difficult to keep it up when the guy sucking you is approaching you like your meat is a three week old dead fish found in a river.

2) You have to be ready for the identity crisis that will surely follow. After he does something like this, he's going to have his self esteem/image deeply wounded. He'll be wondering if he is now irrevocably a "faggot." Sure, he'll have the crutch of having been "forced" into it, but that won't stop the possible violent reaction toward those he's played with.

3) Aftercare in this sort of scene is paramount. You can't just put someone through a fundamental shift in their orientation, without spending more time than usual to make sure they are secure with themselves after coming down.

Just sayin'...

I can't believe how funny this was to read...but also so very true!The visual of your first paragraph is totally balanced by the need for aftercare.Just sayin"...

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/25/2008 11:00:06 AM

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The first question is: is three company or a crowd?

To me this question is about a whole lot more than the phallic act itself.

Since I started this thread, I have had more thoughts on it.My Sir is not interested in the sexuality of another man at all.But he loves to control the sexuality of another man... HUMILIATION. It is his kink, his fetish. And I have come to enjoy it along with him. Esp if the the male submissive has no limits on humiliation. He is in negotiations at this time with a handsome very tall TV switch. I dont believe the dominant side of this switch is gonna allow his submissive side to partake in this humiliation. This is about service and submission. Kink and fetish. Play and aftercare..... thank God Sir doest give after care to a man the same way he does me !

What deeper connotations or meanings others have placed on my original post is a good read but only part of a greater fear of not truely knowing oneself.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/25/2008 7:08:13 PM

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I'm so happy to see this topic again.

It's most definitely something that should be discussed.

Betweeen you and your partner.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/25/2008 7:11:36 PM

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Here's a related question: does it matter to you dommes whether the males are heterosexual or homosexual?

I ask because if you switch the sexes, I think you'll find that most male doms would love to watch two female subs eating each other, but probably couldn't care less whether the females are heterosexual or homosexual.

So is there some kind of special psychological turn-on for dommes?

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How many of you Domme's are really turned on by a heterosexual male sucking another heterosexual males cock?

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/25/2008 7:14:44 PM

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It's not the act, specifically, it's the extreme mindfuck. Watching one gay man going down on another? Perhaps in the right mood. Watching a straight guy wanting to say no, but doing it anyway? Completely different ballfield. Hot, intimate humiliation and sadism ... again, as long as it doesn't harm him.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/25/2008 7:18:06 PM

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Well, I understand what you're saying, but I don't quite follow what you mean by "mindfuck." Normally a "mindfuck" refers to a scenario in which a sub is led to believe that something is happening when it really isn't. Like blindfolding someone and using a letter opener on his or her genitals, leading him or her to believe that it's really a knife. (Mindfucks really aren't my thing, but hey, some people go for them.) If you're really watching two heterosexual males suck each other's cocks, it's not a mindfuck. It's a real fuck.

But I do understand the psychology of humiliating heterosexual males by making them suck cock. Interesting how it really doesn't play the same way when you switch the sexes. Sure, I'd love to watch female subs eating each other out, and I'd be glad to help humiliate them along the way. But it wouldn't make too much of a difference to me whether they identify as homosexual or heterosexual.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/25/2008 7:21:59 PM

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In general, though, women are more flexible in regard to sexuality and a straight woman would be more likely to do down on another woman to please a partner. So the dynamic is diferent that way. Straight men are so intransigent about sucking cock. It makes it irresistable to play with.

As to mind fuck, we're simply using it differently. The hotness of a straight submissive sucking cock is not the act itself, but the way it ... fucks with his head ... mind fuck, the way it messes with his sense of boundaries and what he is capable of doing. Does that frame it a little better?

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/25/2008 7:48:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Here's a related question: does it matter to you dommes whether the males are heterosexual or homosexual?

I ask because if you switch the sexes, I think you'll find that most male doms would love to watch two female subs eating each other, but probably couldn't care less whether the females are heterosexual or homosexual.

So is there some kind of special psychological turn-on for dommes?

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How many of you Domme's are really turned on by a heterosexual male sucking another heterosexual males cock?

The way the OP worded the question made it about forced bi, or <your term here>. A number of us happily wandered off into the tulles, declaiming about how it's a turnon to watch males together regardless of their orientation.

A forced scenario, as someone upthread remarks, involves not only a very pretty sight but also involves the additional turnons of humiliation and sadism. I believe that not a few male doms would enjoy such scenarios involving one or two het women, precisely because of these additional turnons. So yes, some doms certainly COULD care less about the women's orientation.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/25/2008 7:56:44 PM

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MzMia, you're right, I quoted your post, as well as the one you had replied to (by Raechard), in my initial post. But nothing in your replies refutes anything I wrote. If you want to continue insisting that we disagree, go ahead, but you haven't said anything at all that contradicts my comments.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/25/2008 8:39:00 PM

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That's exactly what I'm denying. Well, ask around. I think you'll find that most male doms really don't care. In fact, I bet plenty of them believe, deep down inside, that all females are bisexual if you just push the right buttons.

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So yes, some doms certainly COULD care less about the women's orientation.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/25/2008 9:52:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
That's exactly what I'm denying. Well, ask around. I think you'll find that most male doms really don't care. In fact, I bet plenty of them believe, deep down inside, that all females are bisexual if you just push the right buttons.
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Yes, I know that's what you're denying. I believe you're mistaken, as is anyone who believes that all females (or males, for that matter) are any certain way. <shrug>

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/25/2008 10:21:21 PM

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Damn right it doesn't.

TOTAL fetish thing (I'll keep saying that until it becomes true).

Have fun (sucking cock).

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/25/2008 10:28:15 PM

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That's exactly what I'm denying. Well, ask around. I think you'll find that most male doms really don't care. In fact, I bet plenty of them believe, deep down inside, that all females are bisexual if you just push the right buttons.

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So yes, some doms certainly COULD care less about the women's orientation.

I don't. Women fit the bell curve from totally straight to totally gay, just like men do. Men who believe all women have a "bi" gene are projecting their fantasies.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/25/2008 10:42:26 PM

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That's exactly what I'm denying. Well, ask around. I think you'll find that most male doms really don't care. In fact, I bet plenty of them believe, deep down inside, that all females are bisexual if you just push the right buttons.

I'd agree that most male domes WANT to believe that deep down inside all females are bisexual if you just push the right buttons...it's wishful thinking. Just like I WANT to believe that all males are bisexual if you just push the right buttons (hee hee).... again, it's just wishful thinking, because I know it's not true. As far as the orientation of the males sucking each other.....hmmmm....as far as the visual goes, I don't care what orientation they are, it's still hot to watch. In reality, as far as actual play time, I prefer them to be hetero or bi so I can play with them too...that just wouldn't work with gay men - they're just not into women! lol

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/25/2008 10:57:19 PM

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Haven't we gotten WAY off topic here?

I thought this was about a guy sucking another guy's cock?

This is an important topic. Help me out here people!

Have fun.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/26/2008 7:55:54 AM

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Here's a related question: does it matter to you dommes whether the males are heterosexual or homosexual?

I ask because if you switch the sexes, I think you'll find that most male doms would love to watch two female subs eating each other, but probably couldn't care less whether the females are heterosexual or homosexual.

So is there some kind of special psychological turn-on for dommes?

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ORIGINAL: RealSub58

How many of you Domme's are really turned on by a heterosexual male sucking another heterosexual males cock?

The way the OP worded the question made it about forced bi, or <your term here>. A number of us happily wandered off into the tulles, declaiming about how it's a turnon to watch males together regardless of their orientation.

A forced scenario, as someone upthread remarks, involves not only a very pretty sight but also involves the additional turnons of humiliation and sadism. I believe that not a few male doms would enjoy such scenarios involving one or two het women, precisely because of these additional turnons. So yes, some doms certainly COULD care less about the women's orientation.

I beg the differ with you Reigna...
IF I had wanted to use the concept of FORCED BI I would have used it !!

How many of you demand this? If in using the word demand , YOU believe I said forced bi, then you are totally mistaken. I personally do not believe you can force any orientation to be BI, as MsMia has been writing..hard limit is hard limit.

This has NOTHING to do with homosexuality... it has to do with being a fetish. Like steering a roaring train back onto the track, MySweetSubmissive is totally understanding what I am writing about ... fetish, kink, humiliation, hot and if anyother dommes are into this...a one time experience for several heterosexual males..then they too understand the kink, fetish, hot humiliation of the ACT, not the orientation.

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/26/2008 8:59:40 AM

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I think its not heterosexual thing , thats why its one of the big limits I have - no sucking others cock or cock in my ass , its too homosexual and I am not gay . Just my opinion .

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/26/2008 9:32:28 AM

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Much depends on trust, the dynamic and for the Domme to ensure that the sub is in the right headspace especially involving bi senarios.

It is also very important for the Mistress to bring together 2 or more subs, that are responsive for the session/union to be a success.
Having a sub perform oral on one another, yet the sub remains flacid throughout, does not really achieve the effective result.

Many desire to create an erection with oral activities, to provide pleasure, thus pleasing Mistress with a great show/senario.

I am quite lucky really, I have bi slaves, and also those that are straight/hetro, however engage in bi activities to please me.

They always rise to the occassion also, which is essential, and are very skilled at performing oral on other males.

I have also had some great sessions with the bi curious, the main factor is the Mistress's enthusiasm, coaxing and instructing for a rewarding bi session experience

Whether they are bi curious, straight hetro or gay, has no interest to me. The enthusiasm, the show and the entertainment is what gets me off

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RE: heterosexual males sucking cock - 6/26/2008 9:22:43 PM

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I like bi better. Cocksucking is erotic for me. Doesn't satisfy my sadistic or humiliation aspects.

But can I beat them first?

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