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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 10:45:50 AM

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Unfortunate this is a chain that won't be broken, one welfare mother after another for the next generations..bounty

There we go again, let's blame it all on the mothers: it's so much more simple that way.

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 10:47:12 AM

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No - personal feelings have little to do with anything. One can coldly analyse a situation without feeling personally implicated.

I haven't particularly benefited from the fruits of capitalism, but I consider myself extremely fortunate. This doesn't mean I have to be forever grateful to a system that could do with major improvements.

Will good... I was afraid there for a minute you were turning into a blithering apologist like some in this thread...

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 10:47:26 AM

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I hate when people are reffered to as welfare mothers....

You clump us all into one group. Guess what I am a welfare mother but *gasp* I work an average of 10-12 hours a day. I know this is a bit off subject....I am sorry stella...

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 10:49:00 AM

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People need scapegoats, and the most vulnerable make ideal ones.

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 10:49:12 AM

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Finally, before one even tries to blame Americans for their 'beliefs,' I would point out with more than enough historic proof, that the British Empire had one of the best records in the world for using up the natural resources of a colony and granting independance only after there was nothing left. Case in point, India.

I don't think I was blaming America or Americans specifically, as I don't see it really as anybody's fault. I'm not really interested in who's to blame here. Looking for blame and scapegoats isn't going to lead to anything constructive and will only result in an argument over what has been and what should have been.

The technology advanced, we went along with the changes only being able to speculate how those changes would impact on society. However whichever way you look at it the status quo has been preserved throughout. This has set up a cycle of handouts, welfare, aid, charity and a culture of right and entitlement, which in itself appears to be a vicious circle which needs to be broken but nobody seems to have a solution.

What has been achieved apart from the advances in technology and improvements to the way we work and live? And can it be said that these changes benefit the majority of people on this planet?

What does apportioning the blame achieve anyway?

But isn't it the handouts and the aid which leads to the feeling of right and entitlement creating a nanny state which is removing the civil liberties we take for granted one by one? These are the civil liberties paid for by blood in the soil of the earth we stand upon, civil liberties which elsewhere have seen a struggle under oppression, revolution, and for which a considerable part of the world is still fighting?

Take a look around you, and take a good look.. Do you see what's really there or only what you really want to see? Is not this vicious circle creating a totalitarian state around you under various guises? If this succeeds, and it happens to Americans for example, and those civil liberties and privileges disappear - gone forever - then surely the world will be a much darker place as a result?

This isn't about America, or about any other nation, but about that culture, blame the victim, paper the cracks, and preserve the status quo.

Why?

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 10:50:30 AM

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Unfortunate this is a chain that won't be broken, one welfare mother after another for the next generations..bounty

There we go again, let's blame it all on the mothers: it's so much more simple that way.

NO its not simple, most know about birth control and use it,granted there are some in a position where they need help and the men that love and leave need nutted...

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 10:51:49 AM

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I hate when people are reffered to as welfare mothers....

You clump us all into one group. Guess what I am a welfare mother but *gasp* I work an average of 10-12 hours a day. I know this is a bit off subject....I am sorry stella...

Being on welfare does not make someone a "welfare mom". My mother taught in an inner city school in the 60s and it discouraged her how many young woman at that time were only aspiring to be mothers on welfare. "Welfare mom" it a mentality of enablement, not a situation or current life circumstance.

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 10:51:53 AM

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Unfortunate this is a chain that won't be broken, one welfare mother after another for the next generations..bounty

There we go again, let's blame it all on the mothers: it's so much more simple that way.

NO its not simple, most know about birth control and use it,granted there are some in a position where they need help and the men that love and leave need nutted...

so...does this mean we can finally start nutting rapists????? *looks all hopeful*

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 11:11:54 AM

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i respect the outlook of many on kentucky,i don't reside here,i'm only in kentucky for a funeral.otherwise i dont come here. the joys of adoptive family,i don't have to claim their background,plus was raised in Oregon :D

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 11:53:12 AM

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I read her post twice and, other than lacking a summary, found it well-written, thoughtful, and well-organized.

I don't understand your criticism. You seem to be saying that you are unable to understand the complexities of her argument. Dismissing an argument because one cannot understand it is not a very impressive debating technique, IMO.

I believe I understand exactly what is being said in this post and many others of stellas in the past. And my reply does not ramble on and on it goes right to the heart with few words.

Perhaps you can tell me what Iowa flooding has to do with her premise?.. And since it was so well written please tell me who has a hidden agenda.

And please show me any kind of reason or proof that Americans... or western society.... is any more gluttonous then say Ethiopia or the Sudan with the resources available to them.

The idea of victim blaming ideology to maintain the status quo again directed at America is not true or fair. Saying it does not make it true… show me proof that it is a systematic plan to oppress the third world… by the way who the hell is doing this… the mysterious big business hidden government again.

I’ll admit I was harsh in the response… I really do think stella believes what she is saying and has a good heart… but … she is ignoring the failings of those in poverty in this world and blaming America for their failings.

I think it is just the opposite of what she is saying… I think America ...western society... and capitalism is improving the lot of the worlds poor as never before in the history of mankind.

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 12:08:35 PM

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Why can't we just blame whoever is at fault. If some guy robs you at gun point and takes your entire paycheck, it is his fault. If you bet your entire paycheck on a horse race and lose it, the loss is your fault. If I get injured by someone else and gain 50 lbs while forced to lay in bed and take medication, the weight gain is someone else's fault. If I sit on my couch stuffong hoho's in my face until I turn into a blimp, its my fault. We too often apply the term "victim" to those who chose their path.
I say blame whoever is at fault and quit enabling those who screw themselves by giving them a false victim status.

How many people every year are trapped while mountain climbing after the weather reports predicted snow? They aren't victims. They are idiots. I've even seen interviews where some of these guys admitted to having seen the predictions of snow but "thought that the weather man was wrong." The victims in these cases are the rescuers who give up their time to save these jerks.
Now, if this same group checks the weather, sees that it is supposed to be clear and a freak storm comes in, they are now "victims."

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 12:12:11 PM

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Exactly... thing is, you really can't know unless you really know them and their whole story. And we don't--we almost never understand another's existence, especially those outside of our geographical and social spheres. And so we assume. Unkindly, it seems to me.

Scenario: You're behind a woman in the grocery line with a cart full of chips, soda, candy, etc. She pulls out food stamps. Where does your mind take you?

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 12:12:11 PM

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WTF? I see a lot of anti-American sentiments on these boards, but this post?? Jeez Louise.

Yep. And yet, the line to get in is WAY longer than the line to get out.

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 12:16:29 PM

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Scenario: You're behind a woman in the grocery line with a cart full of chips, soda, candy, etc. She pulls out food stamps. Where does your mind take you?

That depends. Does she have a nice ass? Is she really hot? If the answer to either of those questions is "yes" I didn't even see the food stamps. Otherwise, I'm already tapping my foot wanting to get through the line. Of course, if the check out girl is cute .....

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 12:21:46 PM

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Exactly... thing is, you really can't know unless you really know them and their whole story. And we don't--we almost never understand another's existence, especially those outside of our geographical and social spheres. And so we assume. Unkindly, it seems to me.

Scenario: You're behind a woman in the grocery line with a cart full of chips, soda, candy, etc. She pulls out food stamps. Where does your mind take you?

She's a capitalist that bought the foodstamps from the recipient who sold them at 50 cents per dollar?

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 12:24:17 PM

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Exactly... thing is, you really can't know unless you really know them and their whole story. And we don't--we almost never understand another's existence, especially those outside of our geographical and social spheres. And so we assume. Unkindly, it seems to me.

Scenario: You're behind a woman in the grocery line with a cart full of chips, soda, candy, etc. She pulls out food stamps. Where does your mind take you?

Good point, she may have bought them from some pot head and is giving her kid a birthday party.

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 12:25:56 PM

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Unfortunate this is a chain that won't be broken, one welfare mother after another for the next generations..bounty

There we go again, let's blame it all on the mothers: it's so much more simple that way.

NO its not simple, most know about birth control and use it,granted there are some in a position where they need help and the men that love and leave need nutted...

so...does this mean we can finally start nutting rapists????? *looks all hopeful*

Sure, go buy you a sharp knife and get started....

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 12:26:43 PM

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hmmmmmm lets see, she hasnt eaten for a week so she can buy party food for her three kids joint birthday party even tho their birthdays are four months apart
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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 12:26:55 PM

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Now there you go OmegaG..blaming the victim again... suppressing the poor masses....you must be a card carring memeber of the Myterious Big Business Hidden Government

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RE: Should all Americans be sterilized? - 6/17/2008 12:32:25 PM

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"Being on welfare does not make someone a "welfare mom". My mother taught in an inner city school in the 60s and it discouraged her how many young woman at that time were only aspiring to be mothers on welfare. "Welfare mom" it a mentality of ennoblement, not a situation or current life circumstance."

This is what I am saying while I work in NYC for many years Diane taught in the inter city schools and over 70 % of the senior girls dropped out pregnant and on welfare...BC was available and passed out and still pregnant young women starting another cycle of welfare ...Curse me ,beat me but its the truth that some in here aren't willing to see...

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