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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 1:13:26 PM

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Given all our political discussions, I'm surprised there haven't been more folks stumping for their candidates. Or is this one of those elections where, as kdsub suggested, each candidate's virtue is not being the other guy?

It could be that there are a lot of undecideds, like myself. I am looking forward to lively debates and learning more about both candidates before I am ready to decide who to vote for.

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 1:20:57 PM

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My candidate will never enter the White House.

But, my candidate will not send dubious legislation to the hill, so that they may pass some 20 thousand plus bills and proclamations a year, not designed to give someone freedoms, but to take it away from some segement of the population.

My candidate is aware that our country does not have a patent on the way things ought to be. Either foreign or domestic. So, he will confer with friend and foe alike, and try to sit down and reason together so that we all may fulfill our destinies upon this globe.

What will my candidate do for you, you may well ask? Not a goddamn thing, because you need some of that, you self-absorbed society.

My candidate will sit in the oval office, promise you the world, deliver you nothing, and get a constant stream of blowjobs from anonymous women.

This will give the American People time to reflect, and come to some centrist, prosperous, and secure place in the world.

In short, my candidate is me.

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 1:26:58 PM

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Obama had me when he gave a speech on science and technology and it became clear he actually knew what he was talking about.

I like his views on education, foreign policy, abortion and privacy. He's not socially liberal or financially conservative enough for me... but I really feel we need a commander in cheif who understands the technical and scientific ramifications of the decisions he has to make.

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 1:50:34 PM

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Obama had me when he gave a speech on science and technology and it became clear he actually knew what he was talking about.

I like his views on education, foreign policy, abortion and privacy. He's not socially liberal or financially conservative enough for me... but I really feel we need a commander in cheif who understands the technical and scientific ramifications of the decisions he has to make.

Fungasm, ever hear of..............."speechwriters?"

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 1:57:50 PM

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I'm voting for Obama because he is a communist also McCain sounds like an oven chip so that rules him out and zat is zat.

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 2:21:21 PM

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Speechwriters: yes... that would be Jon Favreau (not the man who did Iron Man and Swingers), but a 26 year old who has spent 3 years working with Mr. Obama to learn his style and his substance.

But the speechwriters can only help so much when asked questions by the media- and Obama was able to talk clearly about the topics covered in his speech.

I want an intelligent president. Is that too much to ask? Obama wasn't my first choice, but he will do.

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 2:29:07 PM

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Speechwriters: yes... that would be Jon Favreau (not the man who did Iron Man and Swingers), but a 26 year old who has spent 3 years working with Mr. Obama to learn his style and his substance.

But the speechwriters can only help so much when asked questions by the media- and Obama was able to talk clearly about the topics covered in his speech.

I want an intelligent president. Is that too much to ask? Obama wasn't my first choice, but he will do.

Fungasm, you seem intelligent.
Why would *anyone* want Obam's National Healthcare Plan over Hillary's?

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 2:39:25 PM

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Why would *anyone* want Obam's National Healthcare Plan over Hillary's?

Why would anyone want either of them?

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 2:42:39 PM

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Why would *anyone* want Obam's National Healthcare Plan over Hillary's?

Why would anyone want either of them?

Just a guess on my part here but maybe for acess to affordable medical care for the millions of uninsured...just a guess

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 3:05:28 PM

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Why would *anyone* want Obam's National Healthcare Plan over Hillary's?

Why would anyone want either of them?

Just a guess on my part here but maybe for acess to affordable medical care for the millions of uninsured...just a guess

Except the plans don't provide for that. Obama's especially provides for more bureaucracy, more reporting, more second guessing, more people looking over doctor's shoulders. Everything that is wrong with healthcare today, Obama wants more of it.

Obama's healthcare ideas are a public health disaster in the making.

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 3:09:18 PM

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For the cost of "insuring" millions of people, you could implement more urgent care clinics so that anyone who needed a doctor could see one, and anyone who wanted private insurance or hmo could have that too. Urgent care clinics work- they keep small things from becoming big things. Funding them and indigent care plans (which pay for emergency visits when the patient can't), will make a huge difference in who is actually sick without a government program.

There are simpler, less expensive options that give care to those who need it without implementing a social plan.

But I'm not voting on health care, just like I'm not voting on legalization, and/or social issues.

I'm mosting voting economy and foreign policy. We can't afford McCain.

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 3:13:11 PM

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Why would *anyone* want Obam's National Healthcare Plan over Hillary's?

Why would anyone want either of them?

Just a guess on my part here but maybe for acess to affordable medical care for the millions of uninsured...just a guess

Except the plans don't provide for that. Obama's especially provides for more bureaucracy, more reporting, more second guessing, more people looking over doctor's shoulders. Everything that is wrong with healthcare today, Obama wants more of it.

Obama's healthcare ideas are a public health disaster in the making.

Celtic is right!
Hillary Clinton's National Healthcare plan was *by far* the better of the two!
You get "more paperwork" and less "healthcare" under Obama!
Now I'm assuming that the Dems read both healthcare plans that were put forth by Clinton and Obama.

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 3:16:16 PM

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Why would *anyone* want Obam's National Healthcare Plan over Hillary's?

Why would anyone want either of them?

Just a guess on my part here but maybe for acess to affordable medical care for the millions of uninsured...just a guess

Except the plans don't provide for that. Obama's especially provides for more bureaucracy, more reporting, more second guessing, more people looking over doctor's shoulders. Everything that is wrong with healthcare today, Obama wants more of it.

Obama's healthcare ideas are a public health disaster in the making.

As opposed to the Republican plan which is primary care provided by emergency rooms....please there are too many un-insured children,too many who's initial medical consultation comes from a triage nurse in some emergency room.The Democrat's universal health Care plans may not be perfect but they have the advantage of recognising the need....

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 3:20:43 PM

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Fast reply: it only took two pages for the thread to degenerate into a slanging match, against the original poster's kind request that it be kept positive.

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So I'm curious to hear reasons for a particular candidate. What about that person appeals to you, and why do you think he should be the next President?

No references, please, to the flaws of the other guy. I want to hear about your candidate's own merits.

Just saying... there are plenty of other places to slag each other's candidates off... It would be cool keep this one above zero, for a change.

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 3:23:50 PM

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The Democrat's universal health Care plans may not be perfect but they have the advantage of recognising the need....

If they were serious about healthcare, they would terminate all health insurance plans and replace them en bloc with tax exempt health savings accounts. If they were serious about healthcare they would require all drug studies to be fully published, and not allow drug companies to cherry pick the results that get submitted to the FDA. If they were serious about healthcare, they would mandate the FDA focus on ensuring drugs are "safe" rather than the more costly and vastly more problematic standard of "safe and effective".

Do these things, and the cost of health care would come crashing down almost immediately.

The Democrats are not serious about healthcare.

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 3:27:56 PM

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Why would *anyone* want Obam's National Healthcare Plan over Hillary's?

Why would anyone want either of them?

Just a guess on my part here but maybe for acess to affordable medical care for the millions of uninsured...just a guess

Except the plans don't provide for that. Obama's especially provides for more bureaucracy, more reporting, more second guessing, more people looking over doctor's shoulders. Everything that is wrong with healthcare today, Obama wants more of it.

Obama's healthcare ideas are a public health disaster in the making.

As opposed to the Republican plan which is primary care provided by emergency rooms....please there are too many un-insured children,too many who's initial medical consultation comes from a triage nurse in some emergency room.The Democrat's universal health Care plans may not be perfect but they have the advantage of recognising the need....

Slvemike, I think everyone in the country "recognises the need", it's just that Hillary's plan was far superior to Obama's.
Obama's plan looks like it comes out of the Republican play book compared to Hillary's.
Fungasm, we can't "afford" either one of those two if they're going to continue the hemmoraging of Taxpayer Dollars to foreign countries!
Flip a coin, with McCain it's Iraq with Obama it'll be Africa and he wants to "double foreign aid!"
Our govt shouldn't even be in the foreign aid business!
I bet the champaign corks were popping on K street at the lobbyists' offices when Obama said that!
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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 3:34:07 PM

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The Democrat's universal health Care plans may not be perfect but they have the advantage of recognising the need....

If they were serious about healthcare, they would terminate all health insurance plans and replace them en bloc with tax exempt health savings accounts. If they were serious about healthcare they would require all drug studies to be fully published, and not allow drug companies to cherry pick the results that get submitted to the FDA. If they were serious about healthcare, they would mandate the FDA focus on ensuring drugs are "safe" rather than the more costly and vastly more problematic standard of "safe and effective".

Do these things, and the cost of health care would come crashing down almost immediately.

The Democrats are not serious about healthcare.

And in what alternate universe do the democrats get to implement these policies.Was it not under the stewardship of a Republican President and a Republican Congress that the disaterous(for the taxpayer) Medicare Priscription plan passed.The OP asked why I am for a particular candidate,so I will answer that question....because a change in leaderhip a change in direction is desperately needed and McCain is just more of the same...nirvana for big business and a dissapearing middle class

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 3:43:17 PM

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Slvemike, Obama is just more of the same.
You did hear the News last week that he broke his pledge to only take public money, right?
He's now taking Corporate Money!
I'm looking for the *difference* here! lol

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 3:44:23 PM

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nirvana for big business and a dissapearing middle class

The middle class isn't disappearing.

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RE: Why are you FOR your candidate? - 6/22/2008 3:49:21 PM

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nirvana for big business and a dissapearing middle class

The middle class isn't disappearing.

You'r right I apologise a better description would be a slow suffocation into extinction.The gap between the have's and the have not's has never in our history been so pronounced...

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