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Vithirax -> on COMMON SENSE. (7/1/2008 12:35:47 AM)

PERHAPS the Sentiments contained in the following Pages, are not yet sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour; a long Habit of not thinking a Thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right,  
and raises at first a formidable Outcry in defense of Custom. But the  
tumult soon subsides. Time makes more Converts than Reason.
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Society in every state is a blessing, but government  
even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an  
intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same  
miseries by a Government, which we might expect in a country without Government,  
our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by  
which we suffer. Government, like dress, is the badge of lost  
innocence; the palaces of Kings are built on the ruins of the bowers of  
Paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform, and  
irresistibly obeyed, Man would need no other lawgiver; but that not  
being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his  
property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this he  
is induced to do, by the same prudence which in every other case  
advises him, out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore, security being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows, that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us, with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all others.
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Here then is the origin and rise of government; namely,  
a mode rendered necessary by the inability of moral virtue to govern  
the world; here too is the design and end of government, viz. Freedom  
and Security. And however our eyes may be dazzled with show, or our  
ears deceived by sound; however prejudice may warp our wills, or  
interest darken our understanding, the simple voice of nature and of  
reason will say, 'tis right.
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Absolute governments, (tho' the disgrace of human nature) have this advantage with them, that they are simple; if the  people suffer, they know the head from which their suffering springs;  know likewise the remedy; and are not bewildered by a variety of causes  and cures. But the constitution of England is so exceedingly complex,  that the nation may suffer for years together without being able to  discover in which part the fault lies; some will say in one and some in  another, and every political physician will advise a different medicine.
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excerpts from Common Sense, By T H O M A S P A I N E,
 
SECRETARY FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS TO CONGRESS IN THE AMERICAN WAR,
 
AND AUTHOR OF THE RIGHTS OF MAN, &C. &C. 

 
First published in January 1776  
This edition is from 1791
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If you are not aware of this document, study your history a little more closely. I hope you read this though, and then re-evaluate the current state of affairs in the government of our time.

Vithirax  




BitaTruble -> RE: on COMMON SENSE. (7/1/2008 2:20:53 AM)

I've read this document many times. My favorite part is where Paine disabuses the Divine right of Kings using the Bible as a source. Gotta love the irony. :)




Vithirax -> RE: on COMMON SENSE. (7/1/2008 2:03:38 PM)

Yep, the irony of the document is great, and it was a very profound political statement at the time, I find it hard to believe that many present days schools do not have it as required reading, but then again, I also feel that our goverenment has become tyranical, and common sense where the students forced to read it in school might actually begain to understand that our personal freedoms keep being abridged by the masses.




Termyn8or -> RE: on COMMON SENSE. (7/1/2008 8:17:30 PM)

And in our day and age, we shall find the abyss, possibly in the bottom of a barrell of petroleum, stuck to the byproducts there, and unable to extricate ourself.

And one day we may see the lies, and the other things that have cost us this great nation the bulk of it's wealth, and perhaps there will be some, though a scant few, who will be able to carry on our greatest ideals into a new form, or a new breed of people. Possibly able to embrace and cherish these ideals to keep them whole, unbastardised and unmitigated.

And one day the mightiest of the ivory towers may fall, and on that day, some will rejoice. And they might go out and treat others with respect, and therefore reduce conflict, and inflict on Man kind a form of society and system of justice that is befitting of the best of us.

And one day some President or Prime Minister may just push the button and call it all off for all of us.

T




jlf1961 -> RE: on COMMON SENSE. (7/1/2008 8:38:41 PM)

As humanity gaines in technology, the race loses more of its spirit and ability to reason.  With each passing day, we creep ever closer to the abyss from which there will be no rescue. 





Alumbrado -> RE: on COMMON SENSE. (7/1/2008 8:43:16 PM)

John Prine said it best...




candystripper -> RE: on COMMON SENSE. (7/1/2008 10:00:09 PM)

Yes, I've read Thomas Paine and his contemporaries.
 
Yes, still great stuff.
 
Thanks for the reminder, Vithirox.
 
candystripper




lovepuppy -> RE: on COMMON SENSE. (7/1/2008 11:04:01 PM)

cowboy I got bad news for you, we are the government...

tommy paine and robespierrie (sorry abotu the spelling) are in hell somewhere having a poker game just laughing when a new player shows up saying "is this the room for good intentions". 

Billy the bard is in heaven laughing his ass off happy as a lark that people are still 'buying that shit.'

Paine and the Frenchman got sent to hell because they believed man could be redeemed that somehow if they had the power the could fix thier own lives...and lookit what happened.  Shakespear is in heaven cuz he said people are shit-covered bastards and sold it so prettily people could see thier own refection in the mirror of the words. 

In a democratic republic there is no "them" there is only "us" and when we suck so does our government.  if we stopped sucking then maybe so would the people in office...of course the dearth of suckage is going to break many dom's hearts.  but perhaps it's a price we can bear.




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