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Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - 11/9/2005 8:10:19 AM

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I bought Charlie and the Chocolate Factory first thing yesterday morning and have watched it three times so far. It is my favorite movie right now.

Does anyone else prefer this version to the first movie?

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RE: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - 11/9/2005 1:30:33 PM

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I haven't seen the new one yet, but the original is becoming a cult classic. By far the best is the book which to this day I remember being read to me in kindergarten. I have read it many times over since and wait for the day in the near future when I will be reading it with my daughters.

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RE: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - 11/9/2005 5:13:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: siamsa24

I bought Charlie and the Chocolate Factory first thing yesterday morning and have watched it three times so far. It is my favorite movie right now.

Does anyone else prefer this version to the first movie?

I think the ''Wilder'' version is far superior to the '' Depp'' version! I actually found Depp's performance to be very boring and lacking the zaniness as exhibited in the ''Pirates of the Caribbean.

There's a lot of funny people out there, but Wilder was step above in this time frame.

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RE: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - 11/9/2005 5:35:42 PM

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From what I have heard the Depp version goes by the book quite a bit more than the Wilder version. No one ever knew why Wilder was the way he was. I've heard the Depp version gets into it quite a bit more. I think I will enjoy the Depp version quite a bit more. I'll have to rent or purchase it in the future to be sure.

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RE: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - 11/9/2005 10:41:41 PM

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I love both versions, for different reasons. I think that Wilder was the superior Wonka, though Depp was much closer to the serious creepiness of the book. Tim Burton's candy factory was *divine*, though, and Deep Roy was just phenomenal as the oompaloompas.

Creepiness aside, I was surprised at how stiff Depp's performance was--robotic, rather than geeky.

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RE: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - 11/9/2005 11:34:19 PM

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Honestly, they both give me the willies (hehehe. pun intended).

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RE: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - 11/10/2005 2:41:10 AM

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If I had my druthers, Wilder would have had Burtons script to work from back in the day... (sigh)

I can think of about half a dozen people that would have made a better Wonka. Jeez, even Jeff Goldbloom would have made a better Wonka using Burtons script. But then, Johnny is Tims little golden boy, isn't he?

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RE: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - 11/10/2005 5:27:07 AM

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Honestly, I hated Depp in that movie. Which killed me, as I love him in most other films he's done.
Wilder by far was the better Wonka.

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RE: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - 11/10/2005 7:41:05 AM

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quote:

From what I have heard the Depp version goes by the book quite a bit more than the Wilder version.

YES!!! This is why I love it!

I loved the book from first grade when I read it for the first time and have read it hundreds of times since then.

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RE: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - 11/10/2005 8:00:02 AM

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Never been a fan of the original. I'm more of a fan of the original than I am of Johnny Depp. I'd never spend a dime on anything he does. For someone to bash all Americans the way he does and for us to be ignorant enough to support him....well...that's why I don't support him.

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RE: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - 11/10/2005 8:14:14 AM

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I just appreciate that someone made a movie from a book and actually paid attention to what the book is saying.

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RE: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - 11/10/2005 9:01:12 PM

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The two versions are hard for me to compare each other too. The two movies seem to want to have different morals or lessons to learn. The original was all about honesty, owning up to your actions, and not being tempted by greed. The new one puts more of the lesson about family and what is really more important. Anyhow let's compare a few other things.

Original:

Actor: Gene Wilder

Ompa Lumpas: played by many dwarfs/midgets

Land Scape: All real

Wanka History: Not much about his past or why he's the way he is.

Bad/spoiled/rotten kids: This movie pointed out the faults for the lack of parenting on children who over eat, watch to much

TV, get everything they ask for or pitch a fit over, and those over obsorbed with competeing.

Soundtrack: This movie was also a musical in many scenes.

New Version.

Actor: Jonny Depp.

Director: TIM BURTON. I mention Burton because he has always had a nack bringing out spooky, creepy, and gothic appeal to many movies. He puts enphasis on main characters and generaly makes sure you know why the way they are.

Ompa Lumpas: All Lumpas in this version were played by one person replicated with computer animation.

Land Scape: Real for the most part with some computer graphics. The Chocolate Fall was real chocolate along with the river.

Wanka History. Wanka has flash backs, issues, and a past of unfinished business to conclude. In most films that Depp and Buton have worked on together, Depp is always an odd person with a past history and memories to over come. Edward Scissor Hands and Sleepy Hallow are prime examples of what type of characters Depp Plays when Burton is Directing.

The spoiled kids: Same for the most part. Video Games replaced TV and Karate was encluded with gum chewing.

Soundtrack: Not much if any of the actors gave musical performances nor sang any songs. The Umpa Lumpa lyrics were also more difficult for me to make out. But I did like the Jazz back ground more appealing.

As for an over all rating I can give both movies 50/50. The origianl having more talent/theatrical performance and the new one for having more emphasis on characters/story line. When it comes down to it, they balance each other out which makes it hard to call.

Anyhow, for the new version, I do like the notion that whiped cream can't be whiped cream unless it has been whiped by whips.

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RE: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - 11/11/2005 6:26:27 AM

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There was -one- way in which I thought the Wilder version superior to the book. In the Wilder version, Charlie gives in to temptation (and manages to wriggle out of it), then makes a graceful gesture at the end which is why Wonka chooses him.

In the book, Charlie is never clearly tempted by anything, so it gives the impression he got the position solely because he was the last one standing.

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RE: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - 11/11/2005 6:29:25 AM

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Except for when he and Grandpa George drink the soda in the inventing room, which if I remember correctly happens in both the book and the Wilder version.

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RE: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - 11/11/2005 8:40:20 PM

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