Termyn8or
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I have studied quite a bit of alternative health, some of it right, and no doubt some of it wrong.
But I have read that certain deficiencies cause the walls of the arteries, veins and cappilaries to weaken. This part I believe. And I am going to elaborate on why. If you don't know or believe that the land on which our food is grown is played out, which is why they have to use fertilizer, forget it.
Wars have been fought for arable land. But let's focus on the wars. They did not have F14s, cluster bombs and all that. They had swords and shields.
Now it is well known that a person's BP will rise and fall throughout any given day. But what of a soldier in an army of the old days. This was physical fighting, not pulling a trigger. It was extremely strenuous and demanding, and of course as one was fighting for their life, there were no breaks.
Imagine what these soldiers BP went up to in the heat of battle. Maybe 700 over 400, something like that. But when they fell it was because their opponent got in on them and stuck a sword through their chest, so yes it was chest pains, but not like we have today.
And by some accounts, when they bled THEY BLED, squirting and gushing.
But what I say is that because they were better nourished, that level of BP did not hurt them. And even in modern times, some people need a higher BP to function. I know this because of my Father. After his minor stroke they put him on a vasodilator.
When he walked into the hospital (two days later, you'd have to know the guy) they took his BP with an automated machine. He was feeling fine at the time, but decided to go in because his one arm and side of his abdomen was sort of numb and tingly.
Well anyone who knows how to take BP knows what an automated machine must do, inflate until the pulse is lost, which yields the diastolic pressure and then deflate until the pulse comes back, yielding the systolic.
Well I saw the cuff literally pop off his arm and go flying. An alarm went off.
But now with the vasodilator he needs to regulate the medication on his own.He takes his BP every day, and we know if he gets below about 110 he is sort of out of it.
He is also overweight and it is possible that this is simply the pressure required to pump the blood through his carcass, hopefully with enough getting to the brain.
But the thing is, there are normal figures for BP, as there are for many different things. The cookie cutter approach does not work for everyone.
But what about the past ? What about the guy who can't afford a mule or horse and had to plow the field by himself ? What do you suppose his BP got up to ? The way they treat this now I would assume that everyone dropped dead in the heat of battle or during very strenuous physical activity. This can't be true obviously because we are here, so they must have survived.
How ?
And now I go into a tertiary issue about all of this. They say that modern healthcare has extended the lifespan.I don't believe it, although in other threads I have been rebutted on the subject I submit this.
I think with clean air and wholesome food with plenty of nutrients, the people of the past could live longer. When they produce a statistic, all they can go by is how long the guy lived. There is no mention of whether he was killed, executed or some other type of bad luck befell him. Yes there were less diseases back then, but when you did get one you were in a heap of trouble.
Look at the old people of today, in Depends, running around in their scooter chair all that. Taking 52 pills a day. I think this is because of poor nutrition. Such things did not happen in the past.
So let me illustrate the point about a statistic. Say you live in a community of a thousand people. There was a war and 800 people died in the war, regardless of whether they won or lost. Those who died were in their twenties, young and strong. The other 200 were too young or too old to participate, but they live to be 100. Now doing the math, if you got 800 people who die at say age 20, and 200 people who live to be 100, what do the numbers say ? It doesn't look too good does it.
But of those 200 who survived, at age 80 they were still active, plowed the fields or built things, whatever. They were not getting into a scooter chair and driving a van to the local Rx daily. They were working.
Statistics need to be taken with a grain of salt so to speak. While I admit that numbers do not lie, it is pretty plain to me that they do not tell the whole truth. They are but a factoid, which may be used in further evaluation of a topic, but they are not the end all cure all that they are purported to be these days.
I think we are getting weaker and weaker with each passing generation. Sure the average life expectancy is up, but we have very little in the way of perilous threats now. People are not drowning or being cut in half as much, but more are dying in hospitals and nursing homes. How many nursing homes do you suppose there were 300 years ago ? I would guess not many.
And today, how many here have ever done construction labor ? I mean like in the local 310, serving up bricks and mortar to bricklayers ? I was never in the union but I have done it in younger days and I can tell you it was extremely strenuous. But these guys are not wearing a BP monitor. You have to be in excellent health to do that job. I was just barely up to it. And that was over ten years ago.
The boss impressed me. At almost age 50 he prctically RAN up a ladder with two buckets of mud, one in each hand. Now folks water is eight pounds per gallon, and these are the standard five gallon buckets. It would be eighty pounds total of not for all the mortar mixed in, and I am not really sure just what it weighed. Most of the time when you mix anything with water it is lighter, but I don't think so in this case.
Now if you took a guy like that and put him on BP medication, he might fall off that ladder because he got dizzy. His body must maintain a higher BP to perform those strenuous activities. After all the muscles are fed, there has to be enough left over for the brain, or that brain might hit the ground, and hard.
Based on what anyone without letters after their name might say, the medical community will not reevaluate their precious target numbers. They think they are infallible.
And the cholesterol thing. They wanted to put the olman on Lipitor, he asked "What are the numbers ?". Then they told him the numbers and what the target is and he said "That's only 15 points above, I am not wrecking my liver for that". And I have also read that you don't want to go below about 120 on cholesterol. I have also read that vegetarians do not live as long. Possibly unsubstantiated, but something to consider.
These alternative opinions, I do not fall for them. But by the same token, I do not fall for numbers.
Just because a factoid is generally accepted does not mean it is true. But there is some quackery going on as well. I know that. Look at the John Ellis water machine. It claims that even distillation can't remove certain "disease markers" from water. The facts in their ad are facts, but they do not prove their point. What the machine does is to expose the water to extremely high output lights. Several times, and then pumps it through a stainless steel filter. Sure, it might be great water, but I don't buy the story.
But the established medical community gets it wrong enough times that I don't buy their story either. So what is to be believed ? Some say that credentials are everything, but come on, alot of people go to college for the toga parties. Cheat their way through and get letters after their name no matter what. Others have studied to get the letters, but what did they study ? Was the material all true and correct ? And who teaches the teachers ?
And what about when they change their mind ? One day this is no good for you, next time you look it is good for you. Then they flip flop on it again. Who can be trusted ?
IMO, nobody.
T
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