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RedMagic1 -> Power and Power Exchange (7/9/2008 10:06:22 PM)
Power: the ability to start and stop motion. Power over yourself: the ability to start and stop your own actions. Giving over of power: Ensuring your power over yourself obeys the commands of another. Receipt of power: Accepting and wielding another's power over him/herself. Power exchange: A situation in which one person gives over personal power and another receives it. Power exchange relationship: A power exchange in which at least one of the people is motivated by feelings, commonly kink or love. Professional power exchange relationship: A power exchange relationship in which the Hard Limits of one of the participants includes nonpayment of money. Thoughts?

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/9/2008 10:11:38 PM)
It's not power exchange, it's authority transfer.

SurrenderForMe -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/9/2008 10:28:08 PM)
The professional power exchange was funny. Overall, defining things is a bitch and subject to the subjectivity of experiential references skewing perceived meaning.

Focus50 -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/9/2008 11:46:22 PM)
This: quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 Power exchange: A situation in which one person gives over personal power and another receives it. *Is more a definition of submission, not Power Exchange. One gives and the other gets??? Equals one way traffic, NOT "exchange"....* And this: quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross It's not power exchange, it's authority transfer. Amounts to the same thing! Which is hunky-dory for those people who believe in the "gift of submission" or that other chestnut of the sub having all the control. I don't happen to be one of those people.... Focus.

Leatherist -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/9/2008 11:48:38 PM)
"Dominants" need to remember that without the cooperation of another person, they are just silly people playing a role-in a very futile and laughable manner.

masterforRT -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/10/2008 12:10:08 AM)
I always thought thet the power exchange was where electric companies bought and sold electric power. Seriously though, I take very little stock in 'book learning' BDSM and much stock from both personal and shared BDSM experience(s). A sub submits to her Dom and her Dom accepts her submission. Nothing more, nothing less, IMHO.

Focus50 -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/10/2008 12:10:39 AM)
Looks like fun; I'll have a stab off the top of my head... lol Power: A quality that makes one desirable. Power over yourself: Self control. Giving over of power: It's not "given" (or received), it's always retained for as long as it's a desirable quality. Power exchange: Where two opposing but complementing qualities combine to create a dynamic equally desirable to both. Power exchange relationship: *Almost any* intimate relationship.** Professional power exchange relationship: Prostitution. Focus.

Focus50 -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/10/2008 12:16:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: masterforRT A sub submits to her Dom and her Dom acceps her submission. Nothing more, nothing less, IMHO. You're entitled to your opinion, of course - so this'd be another vote for the "gift of submission"? Focus.

Maxwell67 -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/10/2008 1:00:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Focus50 This: quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 Power exchange: A situation in which one person gives over personal power and another receives it. *Is more a definition of submission, not Power Exchange. One gives and the other gets??? Equals one way traffic, NOT "exchange"....* Looks like a definition of 'surrender' not submission. And, 'topping from the bottom,' to boot.. what if that dominant deos not accept what was given? With submission, the active party is the dominant taking power (or authority, what have you).. the submissive simply lets them.

RCdc -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/10/2008 2:52:52 AM)
Power exchange doesn't work. When you exchange something - it isn't a one sided thing - you do not give and another recieves. Exchange means you are swapping. Power is not the ability to stop and start. That would be motion. Power is the possession of a controling influence such as authority. I do not give my power, I can surrender it for anothers use, but I cannot give my power away. It is not physically possible. If you can think for yourself, you have power. Even if you do not use the thought. You can pass authority onto another person. You do not 'exchange it' - if that was the case then the s-type would have authority over the dominant. You transfere it - much like you would money from an account to account. This allows something you have to be used by another who has access to the same 'account'. Does not mean you have less authority to yourself - you can still access it and utilise it yourself when you need and want to. With all respect to Focus, I do not see transfer and exchange as the same. They are completely different concepts. Exchange is an equal swap, transfer is a movement of an item from one place to another which does not necessarily mean it is fixed. In all, they are just catch words to make things seem acceptable and well thought out. the.dark.

eyesopened -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/10/2008 3:13:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 Power exchange: A situation in which one person gives over personal power and another receives it. An exchange is a transfer of one thing for another. An exchange is a transaction. If i give over personal power, or i transfer Authority and i get nothing, then how is that an exchange? When i surrender to my Master i am not giving Him power or authority...that He already has. He cannot give me submission or obedience. What we do is recognize, accept, and celebrate those attributes in an exchange that we call a relationship. It is His expression of power and His excercise of authority that allows me to express my submission and perform my service. It is an ever renewing cycle that has brought peace and order into our lives in our unique way. To give power to someone who receives it, without any expectation of a return smacks of martyrdom, but even the martyr expects to get something out of it.

Focus50 -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/10/2008 3:17:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark With all respect to Focus, I do not see transfer and exchange as the same. They are completely different concepts. Exchange is an equal swap, transfer is a movement of an item from one place to another which does not necessarily mean it is fixed. Errrm, neither do I.... lol I likened 'transfer' and the OP's definition of PE to the gift of submission or of being one way traffic. IE, the sub is apparently the one with all the power and the dom/me is reduced to a passive entity until the sub empowers them. Makes it sound like a dom/me has nothing to offer in their own right and that we sit around hoping one day to be a sub's chosen one. I don't think soooo; I've got something equally unique and attractive to submissives - something worth "swapping".... Focus.

RCdc -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/10/2008 3:29:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Focus50 quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark With all respect to Focus, I do not see transfer and exchange as the same. They are completely different concepts. Exchange is an equal swap, transfer is a movement of an item from one place to another which does not necessarily mean it is fixed. Errrm, neither do I.... lol I likened 'transfer' and the OP's definition of PE to the gift of submission or of being one way traffic. IE, the sub is apparently the one with all the power and the dom/me is reduced to a passive entity until the sub empowers them. Makes it sound like a dom/me has nothing to offer in their own right and that we sit around hoping one day to be a sub's chosen one. I don't think soooo; I've got something equally unique and attractive to submissives - something worth "swapping".... Focus. There is an actual 'phew' moment. I am so used to reading your posts and agreeing I was kinda surprised I didn;t this time. My apology for misunderstanding. I totally agree with the whole concept that it feels as though the dominant is turned into some passive entity with nothing to give. Which is why I prefere the thought of it being a transfer. For me, it's like having a joint account and both parties put something in the pot which they both dip into. Not particularly romantic, but very practical.[:D] the.dark.

Focus50 -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/10/2008 3:35:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Maxwell67 quote: ORIGINAL: Focus50 This: quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 Power exchange: A situation in which one person gives over personal power and another receives it. *Is more a definition of submission, not Power Exchange. One gives and the other gets??? Equals one way traffic, NOT "exchange"....* Looks like a definition of 'surrender' not submission. And, 'topping from the bottom,' to boot.. what if that dominant deos not accept what was given? With submission, the active party is the dominant taking power (or authority, what have you).. the submissive simply lets them. Yep, that'll do me; 'surrender' is a better fit.... Don't really agree with the rest, though. Especially about how "the submissive simply lets them". Still sounds like the sub in this context has all the control whereas I've got a lot more on offer than a mere power of veto! *Power Exchange is a matter of both* being the "active party" who contribute equally or there is no D/s dynamic, only frustration or abuse. Focus.**

Focus50 -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/10/2008 3:54:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark There is an actual 'phew' moment. I am so used to reading your posts and agreeing I was kinda surprised I didn;t this time. My apology for misunderstanding. I totally agree with the whole concept that it feels as though the dominant is turned into some passive entity with nothing to give. Which is why I prefere the thought of it being a transfer. For me, it's like having a joint account and both parties put something in the pot which they both dip into. Not particularly romantic, but very practical.[:D] "phew"? Am a sweetheart; a big teddy bear - honest injun...! lol But perhaps it's my turn to have misunderstood.... "Transfer" doesn't automatically imply something is moving back and forth, only that it is moving (one way). However, "exchange" does imply a trade off - you get something in return for what's given. I think I get what you mean but if you prefer "transfer", then you need to qualify it by saying something's tranferred mutually, ie, both ways simultaneously.... Please tell me I'm close - head's in danger of hurting here.... lmao Focus.

IrishMist -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/10/2008 4:26:02 AM)
Yep, I have to agree with everyone else; it's not an exchange; it's a transfer of authority.

TysGalilah -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/10/2008 4:30:24 AM)
Power: authoritative strength asserted Power over yourself: self-control Giving over of power: surrender Receipt of power: empowerment Power exchange: Each having a sense of personal power and through the expression/assertion of their individual role, they empower the other in theirs. ** see below Power exchange relationship: The above, in a committed relationship dynamic. Professional power exchange relationship: Professional ? as in paid/$ exchanged? > no power exchanged, just money. Each holds tightly to their own power ( each feeling that they themselves hold all the power). imo, neither does, the money holds all the authority. In a Ds relationship context, I agree that authority transfer sounds more accurate a description to me. I do feel an "empowerment" happens though and could be called an EMpowerment exchange. If power** is "authoritative strength asserted" then the dominant would not be exchanging his/hers to or with subordinant. But he or she does not really have the authority unless it is given or surrendered by the other ( so not a true exchange). Cannot have two leaders or both in authority, but both can have personal power and empower the other. my head hurts...

pettingdragons -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/10/2008 4:41:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark For me, it's like having a joint account and both parties put something in the pot which they both dip into. Not particularly romantic, but very practical.[:D] the.dark. it can be romantic.....girl is Masters dripping honey pot so its the pot they both dip into......[:D] Honestly...thats the best definition this girl has seen in a long time, its simple and to the point and it encompasses many different dynamics found in life (not just in BDSM)...thank you dark....[:)]

Owner4SexSlave -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/10/2008 4:56:53 AM)
I'm one of those people that using the buzzword "power exchange". But I don't take the word power too serious. I'm with LA on it being authority transfer. The only reason why I use the buzzword is for the sake of communication. TPE is a concept that is understood by many people. If you think more in terms of authority, and less in terms of power. Life will make much more sense. Authority transfer can happen in non-lifestyle relationships as well. There are different levels of transfers that can occur. I'm totally 100% with Leatherist on this post he made. quote: "Dominants" need to remember that without the cooperation of another person, they are just silly people playing a role-in a very futile and laughable manner. It also takes time, energy and work at fostering cooperation. It's something that you have to nuture and tend to as well. Else you will find yourself not DOMing anybody at all. This applies to BDSM lifestyle relationships, and other relationships outside of the BDSM lifestyle itself. I will be so bold (knowing somebody will want to pour gasoline on me and light a match) to say, that in many regards, it's my own personal belief in what seperates a Natural every where and every place Dominant between somebody who's an at home only Dominant. I'm not saying that "at home" only Dominants are not Dom. I know what I just posted with have some people screaming bloody murder at me, that I just caused a few knees to jerk. Perhaps inspire or spark an angry reaction. This whole business of breaking down things, and coming up with meaning can be a nasty job. It's an affair to which people enter into many debates over. However, Authority Transfer, I believe is very accurate for all relationships. It even is varied from M/s or D/s relationship to relationship. Authority Transfer happens on the Social level as well. There is a bit of a blur between BDSMers and so called Vanillas. In short, there are dynamics in BDSM that apply to everybody in the world. We just have nice labels and seek to become discplined in the things we do.

eyesopened -> RE: Power and Power Exchange (7/10/2008 5:27:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave However, Authority Transfer, I believe is very accurate for all relationships. i agree that Authority Transfer is a better description than Power Exchange, but in our relationship there is still an exchange. We don't exchange power for power or authority for authority but there has to be an exchange of energy in order for the Relationship to continue to grow. Even if i transfer some or all of my authority, there is a transaction, a bi-directional exchange. How that is defined, i really don't know, but i can try to imagine a city with only one-way streets all in the same direction making it impossible to get anywhere but out.

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