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Motivation and Surrender - 11/12/2005 12:27:44 PM   
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I came upon this guote today while searching for a particular quote i wanted to use in another post here:

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Enthusiasm created from the heart is the spirit of the matter. It ignites your whole system so there's no drag, no resistance, no thoughts like "Do I have to?" coming from the head to sabotage the power of your surrender.

Sara Paddison, The Hidden Power of the Heart


The quote was, as far as I know, referring to the nature of love...but I found it very fitting in terms of the dynamics of submission.

I know for me, the enthusiasm spoken above can be certianly be brought about by romantic love for a dominant. But that is, naturally, not the only factor that activates deep surrender.

I'm sure my thoughts on the other motivations will gel as the day goes on, meanwhile I thought others might like to add their thoughts on this interesting quote.

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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/12/2005 12:42:08 PM   
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The motivation i feel is so strong. i'd want to find as many ways of pleasing my One as possible; from massages and coffee served properly to sex/play. i could not be a "bedroom sub"; i need the dominance all the time.

Surrender is different. If i lacked discernment i'd be collared many times over. i am searching for a special kind of Man -- who is fully available -- and who shares my core values; etc. i sometimes feel discouraged and at other times feel elated...but the test is real life experience, and that has been disappointing so far.

To surrender after finding Him will be like rolling over in bed; something i can't NOT do.

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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/12/2005 12:51:12 PM   
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my motivation for surendering as a sub, hum, though question, i think i am submissive of nature, it just seam natrual, though i often have some problems whit the day to day motivation even if the largescale motivation is there and is a part of me, if you understand what i mean.

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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/12/2005 1:45:24 PM   
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quote:

I came upon this guote today while searching for a particular quote i wanted to use in another post here:

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Enthusiasm created from the heart is the spirit of the matter. It ignites your whole system so there's no drag, no resistance, no thoughts like "Do I have to?" coming from the head to sabotage the power of your surrender.

Sara Paddison, The Hidden Power of the Heart


One of the brilliances, for me, of surrender is that it enables me to do the things i normally feel i can't but want to so much. i'm not only being given permission to do all the things that society has taught me are taboo but i must because He either commands, demands, or asks. So not only do i never have to, or want to, ask "do i have to" but i know and feel i must and i want to.

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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/12/2005 3:18:59 PM   
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What motivated me in the past was love for my Master..what motivates me now is a deep desire to serve and please and to surrender, but only to someone with whom i connect mentally, emotionally and physically. His Dominance will fuel my submission, and therefore my surrender to him. Otherwise, for me, it's just a slap and a tickle with a little sex tossed in..

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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/12/2005 4:17:05 PM   
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I haven't been able to let my submissive nature out in real life. I have spent years living in a role that didn't fit me or help me to grow as a person. That is why I can't wait for the next 3 months to pass quickly so he can have me and I can finally just be who I am. I feel the need to submit to him so strong sometimes it makes me breathless. I just know it's what I am made to do. It will be like finally going home after being lost for so very long.

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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/12/2005 4:55:42 PM   
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In 1998 I wrote an essay regarding the motivations I had observed in slaves to be a slave, to submit. In that essay I identified six main reasons. The essay, coincidentally was entitled "The Slave's Heart." I have seen copies floating around on a few web sites, but at present only one site actually has permission to post it. Below is a relevant portion of the essay. BTW, this is copyrighted material, so please don't repost elsewhere. The essay dealt primarly with female slaves and the Master / slave relationship... but it can be applied to male slaves and to some extent to submissives as well.

To be Found Pleasing... one of the most fundamental traits, all slaves have a strong desire to be found pleasing. This is often more simply stated that they desire to please, which while true, is an incomplete assessment. A slave lacks the ability to validate her own behavior as being pleasing, she needs another to both define what behavior is pleasing and confirm to her that her attempt at such behavior has been successful. When a slave feels she has failed to be pleasing it causes her to question her self worth and feel a great deal of guilt and/or shame. Understanding this makes clear the importance of positive reinforcement in the form of praise when a slave has done well.

To be Used... often sexually, but not always. This is how a slave seeks to please passively, by allowing herself to be used for her Master’s pleasure in whatever way he chooses (i.e. by allowing herself to be made helpless, tormented, used sexually, etc.). This is the most common method of being found pleasing and is often easiest for the slave as she is not required to act, merely accept what is done to/with her. Because her involvement is passive, she mentally does not have to accept any responsibility for what is done to her. That is, if she is bound helpless and something immoral, taboo or “nasty” is done to her, it was done to her and is her Master’s responsibility not hers. Since the slave was a passive participant, she feels no responsibility and thus no guilt for the activity. However, a Master must still be careful in choosing such passive methods of being used which she can handle physically, emotionally and psychologically to obtain good results. The better he is at doing this, the better she will respond to him. If she is pushed beyond what she is able to bear, the risk is that she will either lose faith in her Master or will condemn herself for being unable to comply with her Master’s desires (with a corollary loss of self esteem that can continue over time if the situation is not corrected by the Master).

To Serve... this is the primary means by which a slave actively seeks to please. A slave seeks to serve her Master so that she can be pleasing to him and thus increase her self worth, earn praise and other forms of reward. Serving is active, requiring the slave to take action, initiative and some responsibility, which also requires that she understand what is expected of her and how she should act in order to be found pleasing. The better her Master is at defining ways she can serve him (successfully) the more responsive she will be to him. Because active service requires the slave to take at least some emotional and mental responsibility for her actions, she cannot so easily shift the responsibility / guilt to her Master. The consequence of this is that the more taboo a service is, the more guilt she may potentially feel for it. If a slave is asked to do something she would consider very immoral or taboo, she will have greater difficulty overcoming that and will need the support and encouragement of her Master. This is a potentially dangerous area to venture into if the Master is not aware of the possible repercussions of his demands on his slave. If for example, a slave were required to do something she normally considered very “nasty” and taboo, but at the insistence of her Master performed the service anyway. If that Master then reacted with derision, scorn, disgust or any other negative response the slave will be traumatized and can very easily suffer real psychological and emotional damage. This is why a good Master will always carefully control the situation when exploring new and taboo activities with his slave and will be careful to be very supportive of her attempts to serve, even when she fails (he may correct her and define why she failed, but he will not criticize or condemn her).

To be Useful... which encompasses To Serve and To be Used but goes beyond it... a slave wants and needs to feel useful to her Master. The slave understands that her Master provides her with a place to belong, a purpose, boundaries and guidance; for this she feels a need to give something back in exchange, to earn her keep. She does not want to be a kept princess who is pampered and catered to... just the opposite, she wants to serve his needs and desires, she wants him to be king. Rather than being put on a pedestal, she wants to be the pedestal he stands on. By being useful, she again increases her self worth. There are numerous examples of how a slave may fulfill this desire. The most basic is by doing household chores. By keeping her Master’s house in good order she feels she is doing something useful and practical to help him and to repay him for the life he provides her with. Another method is for the slave to have a job and earn a wage, which she then turns over to her Master, again to feel useful and to feel she has repaid. One trend is that of “money” slaves, who earn their keep by being “rented out” by their Master to others, essentially as prostitutes. This appeals to some because it allows them to be useful while still being a slave, and the taboo behavior is exciting to some.

To Belong... slaves feel a need to belong to someone in a very literal sense. This often takes the form of desiring to be owned as property, though not all are comfortable with this self image. From this they get a sense of place, and of security in knowing they have a place. It is akin to, but much more exaggerated than, the tendency most of us have to want to belong to a group, a club, a tribe, a country, a military, an organization of some kind. It reinforces our sense of identity, even becomes the basis of it. How many people do you know who define who they are by their job... by the company they work for? For slaves its much the same thing, only magnified to a far greater extent. A slave defines herself by belonging, quite literally, to her Master; identifying herself as his slave and property. Thus her own identity, her self image, is based on her status and experience as a slave. This is one reason mental and emotional abuse by a Master, or even just carelessness, can be so damaging to a slave. Coincidentally her Master’s identity as an individual becomes an important part of her identity (ref. Slave Identity). That is, if he is considered a successful person, the slave will feel some pride in belonging to such a person. The more he succeeds in life, the more pride she will feel in being his slave. Understanding this illustrates another reason why a Master needs to be a motivated person who is goal oriented and capable of achieving those goals. If he fails, she feels she belongs to a failure and often has a corresponding loss of respect both for him and herself.

To be Controlled... slaves seek and need this. And it is perhaps the hardest part of their psychology to understand, yet it is generally the first trait they identify about themselves. Usually the first expression of this comes in the form of a desire to be controlled sexually. For a slave this is highly erotic and pleasurable, she discovers she enjoys giving up control of her sexual behavior, allowing herself to be used and controlled sexually by another. As she progresses she discovers this desire extends to other parts of her life and she begins to wish to turn over increasing amounts of control to someone else (her Master). It is important to note that this is not done out of weakness, a slave is not inherently a weak person. She is able to make decisions, take responsibility for herself, assume control in situations where necessary… but she would prefer not to. The result is the same, she gives up control to her Master, expecting him to take control and responsibility for her life. How much control she is able to surrender is directly linked to how much she trusts her Master; the greater the trust, the greater the submission.

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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/12/2005 5:37:55 PM   
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Greetings..~smiles~


Very nicely laid out Padriag Sir.


Thankyou for sharing this with us.


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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/12/2005 7:19:13 PM   
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That my friend is one of the best pieces I've had the pleasure to read on the subject. Do you mind if I keep a copy of it (with all credits being shown as yours)?

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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/12/2005 8:07:58 PM   
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This is the most common method of being found pleasing and is often easiest for the slave as she is not required to act, merely accept what is done to/with her. Because her involvement is passive, she mentally does not have to accept any responsibility for what is done to her. That is, if she is bound helpless and something immoral, taboo or “nasty” is done to her, it was done to her and is her Master’s responsibility not hers. Since the slave was a passive participant, she feels no responsibility and thus no guilt for the activity.


just to make sure i don't spout off at the mouth and make a fool of myself :), can you please clarify this for me a little bit more? it sounds to me as if the slave does not wish to take responsibility for their actions or desires. i find this a little troublesome.

thank you,

kitty :)

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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/12/2005 8:49:47 PM   
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a lot to think on ... very interesting words ... thank You for posting this

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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/13/2005 1:33:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: krikket

What motivated me in the past was love for my Master..what motivates me now is a deep desire to serve and please and to surrender, but only to someone with whom i connect mentally, emotionally and physically. His Dominance will fuel my submission, and therefore my surrender to him. Otherwise, for me, it's just a slap and a tickle with a little sex tossed in..

cheers
jimini



Very well said. I know for me, it isn't just a causal experience that can lead to any type of surrender. It takes a very special lady, with whom I'm deeply in love and connect with on many levels, for me to wanna surrender. And that type of lady is one-in-a-million. LOL!



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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/13/2005 1:42:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

That my friend is one of the best pieces I've had the pleasure to read on the subject.

Ditto. I am impressed.

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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/13/2005 5:03:17 AM   
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that was a very impressive essay, Padriag. thank you for taking the time to understand slavery and then to explain it so articulately.

my enthusiasm as a slave is fueled by clarity ... or lack thereof. meaning ... if i know where i stand then i know which direction to continue or turn. if i'm clear that my behavior or actions have been found pleasing then momentum will build from that and enthusiasm grows. however, if i know that what i'm doing is not acceptable or pleasing then i will either switch directions or ... unfortunately, i have a tendency to stop dead in my tracks and become unresponsive. it depends on how the disapproval of my behavior is presented and what consequences there are.

love is also a great motivator. it can take the dependency away from contantly seeking approval or awaiting disapproval. it's based more on heart than need.

humbly,
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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/13/2005 5:39:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kittyunleashed

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This is the most common method of being found pleasing and is often easiest for the slave as she is not required to act, merely accept what is done to/with her. Because her involvement is passive, she mentally does not have to accept any responsibility for what is done to her. That is, if she is bound helpless and something immoral, taboo or “nasty” is done to her, it was done to her and is her Master’s responsibility not hers. Since the slave was a passive participant, she feels no responsibility and thus no guilt for the activity.


just to make sure i don't spout off at the mouth and make a fool of myself :), can you please clarify this for me a little bit more? it sounds to me as if the slave does not wish to take responsibility for their actions or desires. i find this a little troublesome.

thank you,

kitty :)

A slave or submissive may seek to avoid responsibility in specific cases. That does not mean they are an irresponsible person in general. This is really more about dealing with guilt and the taboo than responsibility... but guilt and responsibility go hand in hand so to deal with one you must deal with the other. Society teaches us all our lives that we should adhere to certain standards of behavior, certain rules of etiquette, etc. Those values may change over time, but they are there and they do affect us. When we defy those rules, or do something contrary to them, we tend to feel guilt because we feel responsibility for our actions. For a submissive or slave who has a natural tendancy to seek the approval of others (including society) that guilt can be a serious thing, even crippling. But in specific situations, say kinky sex play for example, if the slave can transfer the responsibility for what happens to her Master, then she is also able to transfer the associated guilt... because they go hand in hand, you cannot feel guilty for something you do not believe yourself responsible for (whether you actually are responsible is immaterial to your feelings, it is the belief that is important). Its a shift in perceptions, and funny creatures that we humans are, our perceptions of things are generally more important to us than the facts. In short, its a coping mechanism for dealing with guilt as a means of having nasty, kinky, dirty, raw sex (among other things) without the guilt society might otherwise cause us to attach to it.

Discovering that you can avoid that guilt in this way is liberating. Ever wonder what the appeal of hedonism is? Avoidance of guilt. We all enjoy feeling free to do whatever we please, free of the fear of consequences to our actions, free of being judged for our actions, free of the fear of guilt or shame... freedom really does mean freedom from fear. Hedonism is a belief system (note the word belief again), that says you can be wild and free sexually and pursue pleasure without guilt, that it is okay. Mighty powerful appeal if you can accept that... course if you can't accept that belief its useless to you. Transfering responsibility and guilt to a slave's Master allows the slave to participate in things society would have them feel guilty for, and avoid the guilt, which is liberating. Its essentially the root of the saying "In slavery we are set free," and other variations on that saying I've heard over the years.

There's another catch here that trips some up. Western culture in particular teaches and places a high value on individual responsibility... that we are individually responsible for our actions no matter what. That belief, particularly when one individual feels that belief strongly, can make the kind of transference I noted above very difficult or impossible for some individuals. From your reaction Kitty, I'm going to make a guess that you feel very strongly about personal responsibility, so the idea of transferring responsibility seems a bit alien and wrong to you?

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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/13/2005 6:16:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sunshine333

my enthusiasm as a slave is fueled by clarity ... or lack thereof.

And that is a very clear indication of why structure in a D/s or M/s relationship is so critically important. Submissives want to know what is expected of them... clear expectations, clear goals to move towards, and these need to be consistent. When active service becomes involved then clear boundaries become very important, its no longer enough to know what to do, a submissive needs to know what not to do so that when trying to find ways to actively serve and be found pleasing she knows what is acceptable and what is not acceptable; a submissive needs those guidelines. Simple praise, and other rewards, is a powerful affirmation that a submissive is correctly moving towards defined goals, that she has been found pleasing.

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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/13/2005 6:19:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

That my friend is one of the best pieces I've had the pleasure to read on the subject. Do you mind if I keep a copy of it (with all credits being shown as yours)?

Sure, I'll email you a copy of the full essay.


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ORIGINAL: Kasia

Ditto. I am impressed.

You two are gonna make me blush

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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/13/2005 10:46:57 AM   
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I love what Padriag said as wlel. FOr me it is summed up simply and yet complexly in one word "connection."

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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/13/2005 10:47:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Padriag
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

That my friend is one of the best pieces I've had the pleasure to read on the subject. Do you mind if I keep a copy of it (with all credits being shown as yours)?

Sure, I'll email you a copy of the full essay.

if it's not too much trouble, i'd love a copy of the full essay as well; i won't post it out anywhere, but would very much like to have a copy of this.
thank you, and thank you for posting this here.

ps--your website is enthralling; i have spent many a day perusing through it

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RE: Motivation and Surrender - 11/13/2005 12:48:58 PM   
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I used to teach high school (imagine that! LOL) and the girls used to always ask me "How can you tell if you're in love?" Similarly to this quote, my reply was "When you don't have to ask!"

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