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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

The military is full of people who will gladly die if needed...

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

"If the President of the United States said to walk into congress, kneel Pelosi down and put two in the back of her head I wouldnt even ask why... If the president said "Drop a nuclear weapon on New York" I would do so." Dom Aviator
 
 
Where to start? Well, I am glad to see you finally admitting you absolutely will not and do not think for yourself, and that you would would follow the orders of an illiterate alcoholic incompetent buffoon because by the virtue of cash and nepotism he bought..errr...fucking stole, the office of the presidency.   DA I have admittedly tried to see the rationale in some of your posts, you know, being a masochist and all, but for god's sake you can't really tell me you would drop the big one on NYC because Dubya told you to? If that monkey told me that my house was on fire and I could smell the smoke I would still wait for the fire dep't because if his mouth is moving, chances are he is lying.[:@]

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source: http://www.prorev.com/legacy.htm
RECORDS SET

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- Second president accused of rape**
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

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ORIGINAL: philosophy


......how am i holding law in contempt when i argue that it should apply to all, equally?

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Dear Gwyn ,methinks You are far too young and trusting to know just how scary Nixon was,this was a paranoid ,delusional asshole.None of us were laughing when we read about an enemies list or the myriad list of 'dirty tricks" nor his pathological fear of all things Kennedy...Nixon practically invented enemies under each and every rock in D.C. not to mention inventing a whole consticuency out of his own fertile imagination he called it the "silent majority"they were so silent no one save Nixon ever talked to them....No Gwyn a delusional paranoid schizo in the White House was never a laughing matter...he criminalised the Office of The Presidency...

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

And this isn't even a court case.  

Unless of course, someone is saying that they are in favor of having people tried and punished by a non-judicial cabal of rich and powerful politicians outside of the judicial branch?

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: philosophy


......how am i holding law in contempt when i argue that it should apply to all, equally?

Allowing Congress to usurp the job of the judiciary, by holding criminal proceedings, and dishing out punishments to those who aren't allowed legal protections available in court, doesn't strike me as what is meant by seperation of powers or due process...this would be the same Congress that talks about passing non-judicially reviewable statues.

Don't know why the worst case/slippery slope outcome of that sort of thing doesn't bother others, but it certainly bothers me.

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

"If the President of the United States said to walk into congress, kneel Pelosi down and put two in the back of her head I wouldnt even ask why... If the president said "Drop a nuclear weapon on New York" I would do so." Dom Aviator
 
 
Where to start? Well, I am glad to see you finally admitting you absolutely will not and do not think for yourself, and that you would would follow the orders of an illiterate alcoholic incompetent buffoon because by the virtue of cash and nepotism he bought..errr...fucking stole, the office of the presidency.   DA I have admittedly tried to see the rationale in some of your posts, you know, being a masochist and all, but for god's sake you can't really tell me you would drop the big one on NYC because Dubya told you to? If that monkey told me that my house was on fire and I could smell the smoke I would still wait for the fire dep't because if his mouth is moving, chances are he is lying.[:@]

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado
Since the judicial branch has already exhausted any possible criminal case, the question is should Congress be allowed to try and/or to punish US citizens over ideology outside of a courtroom, ala McCarthy?

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Allowing Congress to usurp the job of the judiciary, by holding criminal proceedings, and dishing out punishments to those who aren't allowed legal protections available in court, doesn't strike me as what is meant by seperation of powers or due process...this would be the same Congress that talks about passing non-judicially reviewable statues.

Don't know why the worst case/slippery slope outcome of that sort of thing doesn't bother others, but it certainly bothers me.

It's like arguing about sewer rats. Who really *cares* what happens to anyone in the White House, OR Congress.

Let 'em eat each-other up. Maybe it'll keep them out of (more) trouble?

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ORIGINAL: DomAviator

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

And for all the Gordon Liddy types, and don't get me wrong I like Liddy, but what if your beloved Furher, err, Presidente, ordered you to kill yourself ?

Yes. That was always a possibility. Thats generally how your widow gets a Medal Of Honor awarded posthumously. During the Battle of Mogadishu Gordon and Shughart knew it was a one way ticket, but they ASKED to go in anyway because there were four wounded men aboard Super Six Two... Essentially it was those two against the whole fucking city but they did it anyway because nobody gets left behind...

Military history is full of men who have put their mission and their buddies above themselves and who have died for their cause and their brothers. During the 12 day rescue of BAT 21 Bravo, a downed airman in Vietnam, eight aircraft were lost, 14 people were killed, 2 were captured, and 3 more were on the ground in the middle of 30,000 + enemy troops and then a SEAL team went in to get Bat 21 out.   

The military is full of people who will gladly die if needed...

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

"If the President of the United States said to walk into congress, kneel Pelosi down and put two in the back of her head I wouldnt even ask why... If the president said "Drop a nuclear weapon on New York" I would do so." Dom Aviator
 
 
Where to start? Well, I am glad to see you finally admitting you absolutely will not and do not think for yourself, and that you would would follow the orders of an illiterate alcoholic incompetent buffoon because by the virtue of cash and nepotism he bought..errr...fucking stole, the office of the presidency.   DA I have admittedly tried to see the rationale in some of your posts, you know, being a masochist and all, but for god's sake you can't really tell me you would drop the big one on NYC because Dubya told you to? If that monkey told me that my house was on fire and I could smell the smoke I would still wait for the fire dep't because if his mouth is moving, chances are he is lying.[:@]

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Dear Gwyn ,methinks You are far too young and trusting to know just how scary Nixon was,this was a paranoid ,delusional asshole.None of us were laughing when we read about an enemies list or the myriad list of 'dirty tricks" nor his pathological fear of all things Kennedy...Nixon practically invented enemies under each and every rock in D.C. not to mention inventing a whole consticuency out of his own fertile imagination he called it the "silent majority"they were so silent no one save Nixon ever talked to them....No Gwyn a delusional paranoid schizo in the White House was never a laughing matter...he criminalised the Office of The Presidency...

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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ORIGINAL: philosophy


......how am i holding law in contempt when i argue that it should apply to all, equally?

Allowing Congress to usurp the job of the judiciary, by holding criminal proceedings, and dishing out punishments to those who aren't allowed legal protections available in court, doesn't strike me as what is meant by seperation of powers or due process...this would be the same Congress that talks about passing non-judicially reviewable statues.

Don't know why the worst case/slippery slope outcome of that sort of thing doesn't bother others, but it certainly bothers me.

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Well it appears the rehabilitation of old Tricky Dick Nixon is complete,most effective president,a saint...does anyone recall the tapes.The man was a lunatic paranoid individual who actually had Joe freakin Nameth on an enemies list.Now I don't know about the rest of you but hat scared the shit out of me...and lets not forget the Constitutional crisis he caused with that little cobver-up thing,the breaking in to the psychiatrist's office the Pentagon Papers and the list goes on and on

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- FBI files misappropriated by the White House: c. 900
- Estimated number of witnesses quoted in FBI files misappropriated by the White House: 18,000
- Number of witnesses who developed medical problems at critical points in Clinton scandals investigation (Tucker, Hale, both McDougals, Lindsey): 5
- Problem areas listed in a memo by Clinton's own lawyer in preparation for the president's defense: 40
- Number of witnesses and critics of Clinton subjected to IRS audit: 45
- Number of names placed in a White House secret database without the knowledge of those named: c. 200,000
- Number of women involved with Clinton who claim to have been physically threatened (Sally Perdue, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Elizabeth Ward Gracen, Juantia Broaddrick): 6

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

From the same link I provided earlier....more little tidbits of the squeaky clean Clinton White house...

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- FBI files misappropriated by the White House: c. 900
- Estimated number of witnesses quoted in FBI files misappropriated by the White House: 18,000
- Number of witnesses who developed medical problems at critical points in Clinton scandals investigation (Tucker, Hale, both McDougals, Lindsey): 5
- Problem areas listed in a memo by Clinton's own lawyer in preparation for the president's defense: 40
- Number of witnesses and critics of Clinton subjected to IRS audit: 45
- Number of names placed in a White House secret database without the knowledge of those named: c. 200,000
- Number of women involved with Clinton who claim to have been physically threatened (Sally Perdue, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Elizabeth Ward Gracen, Juantia Broaddrick): 6