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RE: Anger in endings and abusive actions - 7/28/2008 7:34:35 AM   
CreativeDominant


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I think it goes back to treating the other person the way you'd want to be treated.......
I also try to take the high road when possible..i don't like carrying negative energy around...... it's self destructive in one way or another.....


This, in essence, is the short version of what I have been saying:  Just stop and think for a moment...
Would you want them to end it with no reason given...even when asked?
Would you want them to be deliberately vague?
Would you want them to refuse to speak to you about it at all?
Would you want them to not allow any give and take discussion?

If your answer to any of these is no, then it doesn't make one damn difference what the circumstances surrounding the break-up/interruption of building a relationship are.  If you don't wish to be treated that way, then as silkn says, don't treat others that way.

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RE: Anger in endings and abusive actions - 7/28/2008 8:00:20 AM   
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I've stated on here before and I tell those who I allow into my life that above everything else, I expect them to abide by a standard of fairness.  To me, that means that if they have cared for me, then they owe it to me to at least respect what I told them in the beginning about ending things...I expect answers at the end.  I understand about not hanging on to a dying relationship but too many want to walk away without ending it in a proper manner.  Now, people say that is just human nature...we don't like to deal with unpleasant things.  That may well be true...but isn't part of being grown-up and accepting of personal responsibility a realization that life is not always pleasant?  And that while life itself may be unfair and people you don't know and don't have any right to expect something from may be unfair, should you not try to be...and expect in reverse...fair with those you have professed to care about, even if that caring is not there any longer?  Should you not be fair with those you have claimed to respect, even if that respect has diminished?

No one can know how they will react when they run into a situation that is entirely new to them...but I suspect most of us have dealt with break-ups before.  The circumstances surrounding it may be different than what we have dealt with but the emotions involved are not entirely new.  If we have done as we should as humans and evolved, then I believe we should at least have a semblance of an idea of how we would react to even a mild level of pain and hurt (newly beginning/newly explored relationships) all the way up to a deep and abiding level of pain and heartbreak.  Expecting or thinking that there will be no anger is naive, in my opinion.  How you deal with that anger is up to you.  My therapist told me a long time ago that while someone else may be responsible for creating feelings within you, it is what you do with those feelings that is YOUR responsibility.  There is nothing wrong with anger but...will you be an adult, thinking human...or will you let your baser, sometimes more-childish instincts take over?


i agree with this 100%. If you love someone, or  have loved someone you owe them closure at the very least. When someone breaks up with us, if we are still invested in making the relationship viable, the least our partners can do is explain why they feel it is no longer possible for the relationship to continue.  This is common decency and respect.  Those who just leave make you reflect on what you had with them that was ever valuable if they can treat you so callously at the end. 

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RE: Anger in endings and abusive actions - 7/28/2008 12:07:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

I've stated on here before and I tell those who I allow into my life that above everything else, I expect them to abide by a standard of fairness.  To me, that means that if they have cared for me, then they owe it to me to at least respect what I told them in the beginning about ending things...I expect answers at the end.  I understand about not hanging on to a dying relationship but too many want to walk away without ending it in a proper manner.  Now, people say that is just human nature...we don't like to deal with unpleasant things.  That may well be true...but isn't part of being grown-up and accepting of personal responsibility a realization that life is not always pleasant?  And that while life itself may be unfair and people you don't know and don't have any right to expect something from may be unfair, should you not try to be...and expect in reverse...fair with those you have professed to care about, even if that caring is not there any longer?  Should you not be fair with those you have claimed to respect, even if that respect has diminished?

No one can know how they will react when they run into a situation that is entirely new to them...but I suspect most of us have dealt with break-ups before.  The circumstances surrounding it may be different than what we have dealt with but the emotions involved are not entirely new.  If we have done as we should as humans and evolved, then I believe we should at least have a semblance of an idea of how we would react to even a mild level of pain and hurt (newly beginning/newly explored relationships) all the way up to a deep and abiding level of pain and heartbreak.  Expecting or thinking that there will be no anger is naive, in my opinion.  How you deal with that anger is up to you.  My therapist told me a long time ago that while someone else may be responsible for creating feelings within you, it is what you do with those feelings that is YOUR responsibility.  There is nothing wrong with anger but...will you be an adult, thinking human...or will you let your baser, sometimes more-childish instincts take over?


i agree with this 100%. If you love someone, or  have loved someone you owe them closure at the very least. When someone breaks up with us, if we are still invested in making the relationship viable, the least our partners can do is explain why they feel it is no longer possible for the relationship to continue.  This is common decency and respect.  Those who just leave make you reflect on what you had with them that was ever valuable if they can treat you so callously at the end. 


Nicely said.  And, perhaps worse, make you wonder not just if the relationship was ever valuable but just how valuable you really were if you were the "it" and now that they are done, you've not even worth contact, communication or explanation.

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RE: Anger in endings and abusive actions - 7/28/2008 12:52:20 PM   
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i agree with this 100%. If you love someone, or have loved someone you owe them closure at the very least. When someone breaks up with us, if we are still invested in making the relationship viable, the least our partners can do is explain why they feel it is no longer possible for the relationship to continue. This is common decency and respect. Those who just leave make you reflect on what you had with them that was ever valuable if they can treat you so callously at the end.


I'd like to agree with you, but for the fact that there's often a reason ex's are ex's.   In my experience, alot of times that reason has to do with deep incompatibility and irresolvable communication problems which makes mutual closure nearly impossible.  I'll never understand why my ex-husband gave me the boot.   I accepted it, but  I had to get my own closure--it took me years to see what an idiot he was, something others could see pretty easy.  I've spent months and months trying to give someone closure when I was the one doing the break-up.  It proved futile, and I eventually cut all ties.  The irreconcilable differences that underminded our relationship, made a mutually satisfying break-up impossible.




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RE: Anger in endings and abusive actions - 7/28/2008 4:58:55 PM   
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i have had good endings to some relationships  some ended because of distance became good friends  some ended because there was different kinks and different directions 
i have only had two ended badly they where due to dishonety

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RE: Anger in endings and abusive actions - 7/29/2008 6:58:06 AM   
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i agree with this 100%. If you love someone, or have loved someone you owe them closure at the very least. When someone breaks up with us, if we are still invested in making the relationship viable, the least our partners can do is explain why they feel it is no longer possible for the relationship to continue. This is common decency and respect. Those who just leave make you reflect on what you had with them that was ever valuable if they can treat you so callously at the end.


I'd like to agree with you, but for the fact that there's often a reason ex's are ex's.   In my experience, alot of times that reason has to do with deep incompatibility and irresolvable communication problems which makes mutual closure nearly impossible.  I'll never understand why my ex-husband gave me the boot.   I accepted it, but  I had to get my own closure--it took me years to see what an idiot he was, something others could see pretty easy.  I've spent months and months trying to give someone closure when I was the one doing the break-up.  It proved futile, and I eventually cut all ties.  The irreconcilable differences that underminded our relationship, made a mutually satisfying break-up impossible.


But the fact that you spent months trying to give closure says a lot about you...all in a good way.  You recognize that it has ended for you before it has for him and you are giving him a chance to catch up with you and understand why.
I'm not saying that the resolution is going to be...nor in all cases should it be...a happy ending with both sides on the same page and together.  And I readily admit that there are some who, even given a fair hearing and the chance for one or several conversations, do their best to avoid asking the questions they want/need/should have answers to and/or doing repair by instead spending that precious time that a caring individual is giving them wallowing in recriminations.

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