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OsideGirl -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/4/2008 8:57:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch cervical cancer is treatable, and is often caught early. i know that doesn't mean that it's okay to be unprotected, but at the same time the vaccine does only cover two strains predominantly, and i'm already high risk for cervical cancer for reasons other that HPV. You've got to be kidding me, right? As someone that had vaginal and cervical cancer (unrelated to HPV) Let me tell you about the joys of 12 fucking weeks of radiation therapy (twice). Throwing up every damned day. Unable to eat for days. Missing work and being threatened with being fired. No money because everything went towards doctor's bills. Being denied health insurance. Going through cauterization surgery awake because I had an reaction to the anesthesia. Going through all the wonderful tests to make sure that it doesn't spread to my ovaries. Going through Christmas knowing that on December 26th, I was going in to have biopsies. Oh, did I mention how "wonderful" it was having to tell my mother that I had cancer? You have this attitude that since it can be treated, it's easy. You're wrong.

YourhandMyAss -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/4/2008 9:25:42 PM)
I would not get involved with a partner who had known std's of ANY kind coming into our relationship at all. It doesn't matter to me that some are less severe than others or not STD's are a turn off and a no go. If you can infect me with your STD even if it's a small chance we're not getting involved. That's just the way it's going to be. quote: ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper Edit: The issue is not "Does it matter, yes or not?" The question is "How much does it matter to you, and in what ways?" There are a handful of diseases that are worth not sleeping with someone for, and a few worth not bonding fluidly. I, for one, am very scared of STD's, but there's one in particular that doesn't bother me: HPV. I know it's quite common, I think the TV said nearly 30%? (That may be completely untrue) and that it may/does lead/cause/contribute to cervical cancer, but I simply don't worry about it. Truth be told, I've never been checked for HPV =(. (As for not caring because, as a man, I can't get cervical cancer is foolish, that's not the reason. It simply doesn't have a stigma to me. It's like the warts virus, or rhino virus to me. Perhaps in 5 years this will be a laughably stupid post [like AIDS chasers] but I am curious.) So what of it, how do you feel about you and your partner(s) and HPV? A basic link about HPV.

proudsub -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/4/2008 9:43:08 PM)
This article and the message board at the end of it may be of interest to those considering the vaccine, and it does also mention several deaths related to it. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/08/02/hpv-vaccine-blamed-for-teen-s-paralysis.aspx?source=nl Here's another discussion we had about it on CM: reactions to Gardisal

fluffyswitch -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/4/2008 10:03:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch cervical cancer is treatable, and is often caught early. i know that doesn't mean that it's okay to be unprotected, but at the same time the vaccine does only cover two strains predominantly, and i'm already high risk for cervical cancer for reasons other that HPV. You've got to be kidding me, right? As someone that had vaginal and cervical cancer (unrelated to HPV) Let me tell you about the joys of 12 fucking weeks of radiation therapy (twice). Throwing up every damned day. Unable to eat for days. Missing work and being threatened with being fired. No money because everything went towards doctor's bills. Being denied health insurance. Going through cauterization surgery awake because I had an reaction to the anesthesia. Going through all the wonderful tests to make sure that it doesn't spread to my ovaries. Going through Christmas knowing that on December 26th, I was going in to have biopsies. Oh, did I mention how "wonderful" it was having to tell my mother that I had cancer? You have this attitude that since it can be treated, it's easy. You're wrong. no actually i never said that it would easy- please don't attempt to project any attitude that i may or may not have about a complex decision onto one post. yes i admit that i may come across as flippant but i'm more than aware of what chemo does to a person. i'm not trying to make it out like it was a light decision or even one that was going to get me a lot of support, but it was mine to make.

L8bloomer -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/4/2008 10:57:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cuddlemesoft1 Does anyone know if this vaccine has been or will be tested for young men? If there is a slight chance for men to get cancer than I would think it would be a good idea. Also, a bigger issue, it may keep a man from passing it on to women who haven't been vaccinated for one reason or another. According to information on one of the Centers for Disease Control web sites, there are studies being done for both men and women who are over 26. http://www.cdc.gov/std/Hpv/STDFact-HPV-vaccine.htm I highly recommend anyone wishing to find more information on HPV to check out the CDC site. This is a reliable site with recent and accurate information and may dispel any myths you are aware of. quote: ORIGINAL: Peredur ... HPV is not a sexually transmitted disease. ... Is this a typo? HPV can be transmitted sexually and thus is a sexually transmitted disease. It is classified as such by the CDC. http://www.cdc.gov/std/Hpv/default.htm

Bstardsbitch -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/5/2008 11:49:45 AM)
I don't post in these forums very often. Reading the post concerning cervical cancer being treatable. Yes it is, often. In some cases it can be terminal. I am currently going through the process of having biopsies, and other lovely tests to see if my "treatable" cervical cancer has travelled anywhere else. After months of treatment and still abnormal cells reamain, i now have the decision to make whether to carry on having 6 monthly smears and swabs or to have a full hysterectomy, which in turn leads to other health related issues. Can you imagine having to tell your mother or children that you have cancer? your flippancy toward this astounded me.

Bstardsbitch -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/5/2008 11:52:14 AM)
To clarify..(cos i dunno how to use th edit button) The cancer I have was caused by HPV, and will make sure my teenager has the vaccine. I wouldn't wish this on anyone. x

fluffyswitch -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/5/2008 11:58:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bstardsbitch I don't post in these forums very often. Reading the post concerning cervical cancer being treatable. Yes it is, often. In some cases it can be terminal. I am currently going through the process of having biopsies, and other lovely tests to see if my "treatable" cervical cancer has travelled anywhere else. After months of treatment and still abnormal cells reamain, i now have the decision to make whether to carry on having 6 monthly smears and swabs or to have a full hysterectomy, which in turn leads to other health related issues. Can you imagine having to tell your mother or children that you have cancer? your flippancy toward this astounded me. you know what? i knew that would be a controversial position to take. however i am also much more aware of what choices i am making than what i think people are giving me credit for. i have done the research on this matter, and yes perhaps i used the wrong choice of words. this is not a decision that i have made lightly regardless of the poor choice of wording, and i think at this point this would be a situation that would be best handled through private messages on the other side. i'm more familar with what cancer entails than what came through my post. i would delete the stupid thing if the option were still available to me but it's not. to clarify-- i know that this is a hot button issue for those who have had cancer. i have a history of cancer in my family and have watched those individuals who have gone through it struggle with chemo, radiation, all the treatment options to the point where i have been in the room when people have lost their battle with the disease. yes i'm well aware of what it does to the person. again i never said that it was easily treatable. i said that it was treatable. it's also not a common cancer. there were 11,000 cases reported of cervical cancer in the US in 2005 as opposed to the 200,000 breast cancer cases, and 4,000 cases leading to death. most cases are not caught early enough for abnormalities to be treated through LEEP or other methods of treatment for dysplasia. the vast majority of cases of abnormalities do not reach the level of cancer. i personally find that to be an acceptable level of risk. other people may not. it's a personal choice and one that i would hope would be respected or at least discussed in a respectful manner. again i understand that my choice of wording may come across as being inappropriately flip. however this is not a decision that i walked into blindly, and is one that i will be pursuing in more depth with my gyno tomorrow if that will assuage anyone's fears. again if anyone would like to talk about this further i'm more than welcome to do so on the other side, as i'm sure that that there are other people going what the hell is she talking about. i just think that getting to the point where we're discussing personal histories may derail the thread, and i'm not sure is really all that conducive to public discussion in the first place.

Bstardsbitch -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/5/2008 12:18:40 PM)
Feel free to message me on the other side. As for it being your choice, that's cool, your body, your risk to take. Your post sounded like it didn't matter to you because it was treatable. I'm sorry if I have misunderstood, or took your words out of context. Just to add, I have no idea if HPV was sexually transmitted or not. From the information i had from my Doctor, it seems most of us carry this virus,

fluffyswitch -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/5/2008 12:22:14 PM)
no i think i should have worded it more clearly, i just can't at this point. and i'm aware that it's a hot button issue for a lot of people. i just don't want the thread to derail into i had cancer and you're being unneccessarily casual about the situation and here's why. i'm hesitant about vaccinations in general, especially when there this new. i know they're a necessary evil, but i'm not sure that i'm entirely comfortable with the idea as a whole.

Bstardsbitch -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/5/2008 1:28:13 PM)
Fluffyswitch, please feel free to message me on the other side. Back to the thread. I was always careful who I had sexual contact with, married for 15 years, only one partner after him, condoms used for a long time. There are many STD's that frighten me, HPV would not have been one of them until recently. So to the question "How important is it"...to me Damn imortant now. And even more important that if there's a vaccine that will hopefully prevent my daughter from cervical cancer, then I'm sure as hell going to protect her.

daddysblondie -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/5/2008 2:48:46 PM)
just an interesting thought... all this talk about HPV and cervical cancer and the gardasil vaccine and it has me wondering... while we're so busy focusing on whether or not to get the vaccine because it may prevent the strains of HPV that cause cervical cancer, are we forgetting that HPV causes other diseases as well, for which there currently is NO vaccine. as for why it's not recommended for anyone over the age of 26, I was pretty much under the impression from what I've heard about it that it is suggested that the vaccine be given BEFORE you become sexually active, because one you have started having sex, it's highly likely that exposure has already happened, in which case, the vaccine really does you no good.

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/5/2008 3:01:33 PM)
HPV does matter to me since i do have it. i didn't find out until while taking part of a birth control study. since my ex was the only partner i had, the doctors concluded he was the likely carrier of the virus. i do have the cells that could lead to cervical cancer so it does diminish my chances of having another ...even though right now, having 2 is fine. i do have biopsies done every 4 to 6 months as well as take meds. i have told Daddy (despite having a non-sexual relationship) and my bf . now would i let my girls take the vaccine for prevention? my answer is no.

NuevaVida -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/5/2008 3:31:16 PM)
I don't have it. I don't want it. I take precautions so that I do not get it.

proudsub -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/5/2008 3:52:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida I don't have it. I don't want it. I take precautions so that I do not get it. How do you know you don't have a strain of HPV? What precautions do you take? total abstinance? I'm not trying to be critical, just wondering. And to the OP, the LEEP procedure can be very effective but it isn't fun either, been there, done that.

NuevaVida -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/5/2008 3:58:10 PM)
I have been tested regularly. My former Master was my only sex partner, and the other women in his life (2), who were also tested regularly, had no other sex partners, either. And I currently have no sex partner.

Solipsistic -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/5/2008 9:49:57 PM)
Didn't see anyone mention that HPV can also cause oral cancer, especially in men. The cancer-causing HPV strains are bad news and the sooner they let everyone regardless of age or gender get vaccinated, the better.

OsideGirl -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/5/2008 9:50:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch i have a history of cancer in my family and have watched those individuals who have gone through it struggle with chemo, radiation, all the treatment options to the point where i have been in the room when people have lost their battle with the disease. yes i'm well aware of what it does to the person. With all due respect....watching someone else go through it does not prepare you for what you go through when it's you. I have a history of cancer in my family as well. Watching my grandmother die of brain cancer did not prepare me for what my life would be like during my battle. What you're saying is "I know cigarettes cause cancer, but I don't care because I'll probably get cancer anyway." What you're saying is that you think you know what it's like to jump out of a plane because you've watched the video. I can't tell you what I'd give not to relive seeing my mother's face the day I told her I had cancer. I hated that my family went through that for me. My wonderful, loving, caring mother didn't deserve to spend months wondering if her only daughter was going to die.

Highlands -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/6/2008 12:39:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hizprincess HPV has no cure, it does not go away, guys can not be tested, and over half the population has it. Actually, there are treatments for HPV(see the video Porn 101 at http://www.aim-med.og). The treatements are far from 100%--but they can work in some cases. Also, some people do clear the HPV virus from their system. Part of the problem is _reinfection_ with a partner. Also, guys _can_ be tested-but that is an off label use of the PCR test for HPV. Off Label means the FDA hasn't approved that use of that test.

Highlands -> RE: HPV: Does It Matter? (8/6/2008 12:53:51 AM)
Another important thing about HPV: Infection with HPV may increase the chances of AIDS infection according to this article. A friend of mine that used to work at CDC said that the clinical trials for Gardasil showed a decrease in AIDS infection in the women that used that vaccine. This whole area of how STD's interact is still being emerging.

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