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What do you do when your "male wife" gets a job? - 8/6/2008 6:08:53 PM   
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I think most people already know my story, but I'm a femdom workaholic (my career isn't related to kink) and my husband (sub/slut/best friend) has been a 'wife' for most of our marriage.  He cooks, cleans, does errands, shops, irons - and is my personal assisant in my job, which means anything from making travel arrangements to driving me places, going on business trips with me, doing research, sometimes even getting into the trenches of my job. I do absolutely nothing domestic. I have not done one dish, cooked one meal, ever taken out the trash, I don't even know how most appliances work. His duties expanded over time into shopping for me - even for cosmetics, for clothes, answering my phone, you name it. In the meantime, my career flourished since I could keep my eye on the ball, and I was able to work more hours, more productively than ever.  And our home life was great, sex life was great, since he was always on call. 

In the last year or so he started to take a hobby to the next level and worked a little here and there - not a big deal, since he had many hobbies, and I sometimes only needed him 30 hours a "work week" anyway - and he still had plenty of time to read, exercise, have a social life, as long as my needs were handled first. There wasn't much structure to it. He was always just there. An excellent multi tasker.

Now his skillset has increased in his 'hobby' - as his passion for it - and he's been pulled away more and more and invited into more lucractive circles.  He's actually making fairly good money at it now.  Long story short - he wants to go to work full time.  Holy crap.  We're "testing" it for a month or so, but he's only part time now, and I already don't like it.   I'm going to have to hire someone it looks like, to handle the "personal assistant" I lost, and that's one thing.  But the dishes aren't getting done as quickly. The laundry is piling up.  The little things - to be sure - are gone.  I used to have the luxury of having him drive me to work appointments, for example, so I could do business on the phone during the trip, read my notes, prepare myself, and he'd be happy to pick me up when I was done, or read in the car.  Now, he is much too busy.   Those *little* things bring a tremendous amount of serenity into my otherwise extremely tense and busy work life.

The worst part, though, is the impact on the level of tension in the house; he's always feeling a bit stressed and guilty because housework is not getting done.  He hasn't been able to cook the kinds of meals that take all afternoon because he's busy a lot (cooking was a pleasure for him, but one that took time).  He tries to cram too much stuff into the day, not wanting to shortchange me, so he ends up shortchanging himself, which doesn't make either of us happy.  But ultimately, he LOVES his "job" and would like to continue. 

As his wife, the breadwinner (the money he makes, ultimately, is inconsequential compared to what I make; the money will be a wash when I pay an assistant for the work stuff), and the "femdom" I have a right to tell him he can't work and he has to go back to being my "wife."  But that will make him unhappy on some level, to be sure, and that's not what I want.  Sadly, I don't think we can ever get back to that kind of lifestyle of productivity and relatively low stress if he's working, even part time.  He now has two bosses. 

Anyone ever lost their "wife" to a hobby (job) and how did you re-find the balance?


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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/6/2008 7:08:09 PM   
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My only suggestion is "have his head examined" 

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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/6/2008 8:04:07 PM   
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I'm sorry, I just don't know what to suggest. To have something that worked so well ... and then this change ... and yet I understand Your not wanting to hold him back or stop him from doing something else he loves. Can only suggest that the lines of communication are kept open ... he might come to the decision that it's too stressful on him!

Good luck AAkasha, I mean that very sincerely!
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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/6/2008 8:13:00 PM   
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Welcome to the real world.  There's a wonderful word in the English language.  It's called "compromise."  I believe it is operative in quite a few good relationships.

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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/6/2008 8:20:56 PM   
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quote:

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Welcome to the real world.  There's a wonderful word in the English language.  It's called "compromise."  I believe it is operative in quite a few good relationships.


That's what I was thinking also.
How many women these days stay at home and don't work?
Tell him to start reading magazines liking "Working Woman".
Many women are working full time, raising children, and holding it down, alone.
He can do it!

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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/6/2008 8:25:27 PM   
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Have you talked to a lawyer, by the way?  There could be some financial consequences to telling a spouse that he cannot work.  You know, just in case you guys ever split.  It happens.

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

As his wife, the breadwinner (the money he makes, ultimately, is inconsequential compared to what I make; the money will be a wash when I pay an assistant for the work stuff), and the "femdom" I have a right to tell him he can't work and he has to go back to being my "wife."

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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/6/2008 11:07:00 PM   
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P { MARGIN: 0px }    Tough, I know I drive my significant other nuts since one of the reasons I haven't relocated is due to my being unable to be sure of work. So I might not have an unbiased view, but that is a completely different issue. As far as what is happening i think it best to sit down just as Jane and John and both lay out how each of you feel about the situation. Though reading what you wrote I tend to think you have already done that.
  I can offer no advice other than to say both of you need to really think of what you want and expect out of this relationship and make sure you are both on the same path. If not figure out why they have diverged, and how to bring you both back to the same path. That is the issue with relationships they are rarely black and white and without some sort of change and growth.
  Also we rarely, as people, grow in the same direction. Who knows hiring a personal assistant might change things in a good way or a bad. I think the best thing is to talk and if all else fails look in your local kink community and see if you can find a couples counselor who deals with kinky type relationships. Sometimes it just helps having a neutral party who won't be judgmental to help the both of you share some of these feelings you are both having over this hobby/job. It can be scary to go to your significant other and lay things out on the table. You might be surprised you might both have very similar feelings but both were to afraid of not being supportive enough or giving up on the other. He may feel any support you are giving him to mean you really want him to do this, and you may feel you are not being a good person by not encouraging him. I think that is a lot of the fear I hear in your post the worry of what if's. Well there are always what if's but both of you need to decide what those what if's are going to be.
I hope this little bit of nonsense helps.

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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/7/2008 12:40:55 AM   
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I am a staunch feminist, to the point where I seem to be a sarcastic chauvinist. In the interest of a shorter post, I will dispatch the very attractive topic of male 'wives' riding the feminism train, in the vanilla world.

Instead, I will deal only with power exchange, as that is what pertains to the OP. When you get down to brass taxes there still aren't just service tops and slave owners, there is a spectrum. Your concern for his happiness says you're not a slave owner, and hence his opinions, concerns, and wants play some role. (In my humble opinion, I feel thats the healthier way to sustain a relationship.)

Without knowing more about the mystery job, or why he likes it so much, I will say this: AT CURRENT he likes the new job more than the earlier arrangement. It could be a passing fancy because he gets to change it up some. If he didn't like it more, why would he do it? Ruts happen and they come and go.

This assumes he is informed about how you feel. Does he know about the money you lose replacing him? Does he know/realize you care about the difference at home?

As the dominant, in a stereotypical D/s (Yes, that's quite the foolish statement) your opinions weigh more. You COULD tell him how it's going to go, but that's like pulling my puppy away from the cat food - she will long for it, even though she can't have it.

How happy was he before his job? Was he stifling his misery and forcing smiles at you, or did he really enjoy his place?

The amount of time and energy you want from him (not a bad thing, because you can afford to "keep" that "pet") does not afford for a second job. Is there a way he could do this job as a hobby or in a very flexible manner?


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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/7/2008 3:56:43 AM   
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When I was on maternity leave, I was told that I would not be asked back to my contracted position because of a company hiring freeze, so my subby male wife and I switched vanilla roles for a bit.  He went out to work and I stayed home with the baby.  We were both miserable.

What I would suggest to you is what I did for myself and my pet.  Find a balance.  There are working mothers, single mothers, and fathers too, who do it all.  If he cannot do it all, then either he must choose or you must choose for him what amount of each thing he is able to do.  But you must also make a choice.  Is it your sub's desire for his work being pushed aside by your overzealous work schedule?  Are your sub's needs being compromised for your career?


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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/7/2008 5:33:29 AM   
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I hesitate to respond.. it seems fairly clear to me.. you either A have to be honest and tell him that his role as support to your lifestyle weighs more in the long run than his hobby/career.. many a wife has moved/given up a career for the good of the family..sometimes what is best for the whole has to better best for the sum of the parts as well.. B.. hire people to fill his roles, maid, assistant, cook and chief bottle washer... C.. find a submissive assitant.. I am sure there are dozens of men/women who would be interested.. someone who is service oriented who would enjoy being your chauffeur/maid.. each requires compromise of some sort on each of  your part.. A.. will require him to come to the decision thats whats best for all involved.. and your to give him the tme to grieve the loss of that potential..B.. means you both compromise some of your personal privacy... C.. means he isnt the queen of the house anymore and you have to handle two submissives..lots of work..  Whatever you decide good Luck.. SD.

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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/7/2008 5:45:33 AM   
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I do remember reading that before in a post somewhere. Have you both sat down and had a discussion regarding this? I can't offer anything else. It is your relationship and until you discuss this issue with him. It will continue to be a sore point for you and perhaps for him also. Best of luck and I hope it works out for the best for both of you.

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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/7/2008 5:51:20 AM   
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Well, I'm a male wife and a stay at home father. 

I had a hard time giving up work to raise our children, but Her job had better benifits and I was basically self-employed so it seemed like the right thing to do.  

Strange, the thing I missed most was the daily interaction with other people besides my wife and newborn child.   We are social beings and I felt like I was cut off from the world.  So after many disccussions on the matter we set up a schedule that worked for both of us and gave me a couple of days off to wind down

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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/7/2008 8:53:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mztresn0w

I do remember reading that before in a post somewhere. Have you both sat down and had a discussion regarding this? I can't offer anything else. It is your relationship and until you discuss this issue with him. It will continue to be a sore point for you and perhaps for him also. Best of luck and I hope it works out for the best for both of you.


Thanks to everyone for their feedback, it's been great.  Yes, we talk a great deal about this - we have a very open relationship and it's not a point of contention at all.  Really, it's all up to me, and he'll do what I want to do - but it still doesn't mean that I don't take into consideration what gives him great joy and pleasure. 

People have indicated that compromise is the way to go - actually, that's what allowing him to have a "part time job" was initially - that's the compromise.  But it may seem hard to believe -- the moment the "wife" has *any* job, even if it's 10 hours a week, the household is impacted.  No matter how you slice it, he has "another boss."  It means that there is no longer 100% devotion to detail, it's now 90%.  If I have a work related issue that falls on the 3 hours he has to be at his job, then I have to decide if it's important enough for me to adjust my schedule to accommodate his job; suddenly, it's not like it used to be. I owned 100% of his time - and 100% of his mind.   Having him almost full time is a huge luxury, but it's VERY different from the dynamic of owning him 100%.  If that makes sense.  There is a huge comfort level knowing that I have him all to myself - whether I want a foot massage at 2pm, an orgasm at 10am, or him to drive me to a meeting or go look up flights on a whim.

We're doing what makes most sense right now - trying it out.  We're going to re-evaluate in the Fall and see how both of us feel.  There's no doubt that change is sometimes uncomfortable so I'm not going to be so inflexible to say I won't try it, and at least get past the adjustment period and then see how I like it.  But we both know that if I am not happy over time, it is going to have to change back to how it was.

Someone asked me if he was unhappy when he was my fulltime wife -- no, he loved it.  But he loves his hobby too, and the fact that he's able to earn money, learn, get some validation, etc is very fulfilling - I am not going to deny him that.  It might be that working for a few years "for someone else" will lead to him being totally self employed at it - but even then, he's not 100% mine any longer.  We could possibly be absolutely rolling in cash as he'd have a higher earning potential than me, but I really don't care about money.  I prefer living conservatively and having a 100% stay at home husband rather than being two overacheivers with no free time and a crapload of cash.  You can't take it with you!

Akasha

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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/7/2008 2:33:04 PM   
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I'm sure you've already done so, but a person to person conversation might be necessary before it becomes a problem that no longer has a simple solution. My understanding is that he was happy before; I can't see how it wouldn't somehow make him happy to be where he was once before, regardless of how successful his hobby is.

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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/7/2008 3:01:53 PM   
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There's a song from World War I with a refrain along the lines of "you can't keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Paree."  His hobby-turned-business may wind up being Paree.

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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/7/2008 6:40:44 PM   
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My best wishes to you both. It is a hard road that you both have to travel and hopefully things will turn out good for both of you.

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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/7/2008 7:55:03 PM   
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Where to begin.

I think you do need to both sit down and see what things you two really want to do in life and how much he wants to work.

If so then your options are from what you have said, allow him to do it or forbid him to do it.  Ok, there is a lot of gray in between.

A few women I have talked to still have the man responsible for the housework even if he works.  Most do share it when they both work or things don't get done when you would like them to get done.  Another way to do it is for him to be responsible for hiring a maid service or other things and if they are not done right he gets punished.  Either way the bottom line is you probably won't have someone at your beck and call if he isn't home.

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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/7/2008 8:36:32 PM   
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Does he have any employees?




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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/7/2008 9:34:51 PM   
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I have to say I find it very humorous that not one person answering this thread thus far has suggested that the OP actually do some work around the house herself in the meantme.  I am not saying that to be snarky,   ...well maybe just a little... but in truth I think it would be a path to getting what you want here...  if he sees you forced into such a position by his inability to keep things caught up a few times, it is my bet feel guilty enough that he will rediscover the nobility in his original sacrifice of becoming your household manager and change his mind about the other work.

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RE: What do you do when your "male wife" gets... - 8/7/2008 11:47:16 PM   
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Darling? Have you thought of getting..what we call in my group, an Assistant Sub? An Assitant sub is a friend firstly, not in a sexual relationship, but more of an emotional relationship with the Mistress and her (for differentiateing issues here we will call the first sub Alpa sub). The assistant sub is there to help the alpha sub perform all his duties for his Mistress now that Alpha sub has a job that him and His Mistress are happy about (mostly). Basically a friend helping out a friend to keep the D/s relationship happy and stable. Its sometimes hard to find this type of person, but alot of the young subs (think TNG groups) want and need training in this aspect of life...and it helps to not have the sexuality involved when one is training yes? thus the Assistant Subby. Basically they pick up where Alpha sub cant get to because of work. Alphs sub need to know this is not because he is unworthy or because he cant handel his place as Mistress' sub. The assistant dose not need to live with Mistress and alpha sub, only come over a few times a week to learn more about how a happy healthy D/s relationship works, and what is expected of a sub and the care and training that goes into a happy healthy D/s relationship. just an idea, hope it helps.

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