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krikket -> are there lessons....... (11/19/2005 7:45:50 AM)

Are there classes somewhere out there, to teach the average person how to fall correctly so I don't end of black and blue every few months. (The sidewalk is a lousy and unforgiving sadist..lol). Three times (since Feb.) i've "tripped" over uneven sidewalk blocks (I walk with a bit of a limp, my left foot drags slightly). Today, i have a goose on my forehead, a skinned nose and swollen lip, right wrist and left knee with ace bandages covering up the worst of the bruises, and the rest of me is so sore i can hardly move.

Anyway..there's gotta be a better way to do this..lol. If I'm going to continue being a clutz, i need to learn to take a fall before I end up in a cast. I sure what kind of specility i should look for, so would appreciate some advise.

Thanks bunches y'all and tons of huggles in advance...

jimini



IrishMist -> RE: are there lessons....... (11/19/2005 7:49:22 AM)

Well, I do know that sky diving lessons teach you the proper way to fall to avoid broken bones and injuries, so, I would assume ( and this is just an assumption) that there are other forms of classes that would teach it also. Maybe martial arts? Or something along those lines. Or even self defense classes?



JohnWarren -> RE: are there lessons....... (11/19/2005 7:53:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: krikket

Are there classes somewhere out there, to teach the average person how to fall correctly so I don't end of black and blue every few months. (The


One of the first things a person learns in a martial arts class is how to fall. I'm sure you could contact a teacher and get a course tailored for you.

With sufficient practice, it sticks with you forever. A couple of years ago, I was in a leg cast and was lifting my wheelchair into the back of my truck while standing on one leg. I lost my balance and fell backward. There was no time to think but a second later I was on the ground, facing in the opposite direction, and tingling on my upper thigh, ass and shoulder.

As I tried to get up, I realized I'd excuted a perfect (as perfect as one in a cast can do it) parachute landing fall. This was a good twenty years after my last jump. The mind may not have time to remember, but the body does,



krikket -> RE: are there lessons....... (11/19/2005 8:02:12 AM)

Thanks for the help y'all. While I don't think i'm ready to skydive (i have trouble enough here on tera firma..lol..martial arts sounds like a good idea. Theree must be one close by since i see those cute little kids dressed in their outfits up at the mall all the time. :)

Most of my concern is that osteoporosis and broken hips is quite prelevant in my family, and at the rate I'm going I'm going to join that exclusive sisterhood much sooner than I want to, especially when I'm trying so hard not to become a member.



mnottertail -> RE: are there lessons....... (11/19/2005 8:27:12 AM)

hapkido, ju juitsu, judo, aikido, taijutsu any jutsu of a grappling form (close order wrestling) will spend the preponderance of your time in learning to fall. You can actually go pick up beginner books at the library and practice it yourself.........It is really very hard work to learn how to fall when you don't have a frame of reference. So they start you rolling, in certain fashions and then the big dives and then the get flipped and hang on.

Ron
By the way, I take lessons from a black belt; a 65 year old very pleasant and petite woman aroung 100 pounds standing at about 5'4'' and plays the organ at church every sunday. I am what my profile says (except I am 51 now) and she throws me around like a fucking rag doll.

LOL



MadameDahlia -> RE: are there lessons....... (11/19/2005 11:32:59 AM)

Martial arts (or just working out in general) will strengthen the body. The muscle conditioning helps to form better bones... stronger bones. It's one of the reasons most doctors are telling women nearing menopause to hit the gyms more often (aside from the potential weight gain when the wacky hormones kick in).



KatyLied -> RE: are there lessons....... (11/19/2005 11:34:39 AM)

I knew someone who had a "tripping" problem, it was an inner ear difficulty that was causing her balance problems.



ToServeIsToLive -> RE: are there lessons....... (11/19/2005 11:52:12 AM)

i'm another supporter of martial arts. The early judo training i've done was almost entirely about building in instinctive break falls/safe falling. Also having trained in tae kwon do for a few years (which isn't much) i've found my balance is very good and i've caught myself from falling after tripping where i thinking back i should have fallen on my face. One time i slid about 3 feet without falling while walking really fast into a building while it was raining outside (wet floors). After i stopped, i just stood there for a few seconds thinking how cool that was, and then promised myself to be careful walking on wet floors from then on [:D]



IronBear -> RE: are there lessons....... (11/19/2005 12:30:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren


quote:

ORIGINAL: krikket

Are there classes somewhere out there, to teach the average person how to fall correctly so I don't end of black and blue every few months. (The


One of the first things a person learns in a martial arts class is how to fall. I'm sure you could contact a teacher and get a course tailored for you.

With sufficient practice, it sticks with you forever. A couple of years ago, I was in a leg cast and was lifting my wheelchair into the back of my truck while standing on one leg. I lost my balance and fell backward. There was no time to think but a second later I was on the ground, facing in the opposite direction, and tingling on my upper thigh, ass and shoulder.

As I tried to get up, I realized I'd excuted a perfect (as perfect as one in a cast can do it) parachute landing fall. This was a good twenty years after my last jump. The mind may not have time to remember, but the body does,



I just had to pass this one on John. In my jump training we had to do seven night jumps, one per night for seven consecutive nights. Each night was low clowd cover which was what we were training for. The DZ was a 40 acre padock with only one tree. Would you believe I didn't just land in the tree once, but I landed in the bloody thing every one of the seven nights! Must be a Irish curse on me when jumping., probably because on my forst jump from a DC3 I froze in the doorway and it was a fist or a foot which shot me out into space. I'm told that I turned the air blue and that I didn'y repeate myself once all the way down, but the course commander learned a great deal about his ancestors and which animals they had been having intercourse with.

Back to the OP......... I am another one who advocates having a Martial Arts teacher give you a course on falling and breakfalls. Then it's just practice. If it binterests you, why not join the group/Dojo and enjoy the sport, healthy excersise and disclipline training.. But then I an just a tiny bit biased.



siamsa24 -> RE: are there lessons....... (11/19/2005 12:35:27 PM)

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You can actually go pick up beginner books at the library and practice it yourself.........


I would be very, very careful if you want to try to learn something like falls from a book. Falling incorrectly can result in injuries to the wrists, spine, neck, shoulders, hips and many other body parts. It may be cheaper in the beginning, but you don't want to learn it incorrectly and hurt yourself even more then you would have from just letting yourself fall (two broken wrists, for example)



JohnWarren -> Jump stories was RE: are there lessons....... (11/19/2005 12:49:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: IronBear
I just had to pass this one on John. In my jump training we had to do seven night jumps, one per night for seven consecutive nights. Each night was low clowd cover which was what we were training for. The DZ was a 40 acre padock with only one tree. Would you believe I didn't just land in the tree once, but I landed in the bloody thing every one of the seven nights! Must be a Irish curse on me when jumping., probably because on my forst jump from a DC3 I froze in the doorway and it was a fist or a foot which shot me out into space. I'm told that I turned the air blue and that I didn'y repeate myself once all the way down, but the course commander learned a great deal about his ancestors and which animals they had been having intercourse with.


I HATE night tree landings; however, one got me my call sign. I stopped about thirty feet up so, according to the book, I deployed my reserve and climbed down.... right into the canopy. By the time, I realized it, I was too low to climb back up so the rest of my team found me, a white shrouded figure, thrashing about. From then on I was "Spook."

Fortunately, we kept the genesis to ourselves so outsiders visualized this ghost-like scout slipping through the jungle, not a klutz who had forgotten his Kbar in the chute harness.



mnottertail -> RE: are there lessons....... (11/19/2005 1:13:06 PM)

A valid warning, however; no book I have ever seen for beginners teaches the fall out of the sky stuff. Again, they all start by demonstrating seemingly simple rolls, I say seemingly because you only need to try them about 10 times a side before you are ready for your nap, they are on the order of kindergarden 'tumbling'. Intermediate books may show you how to 'tumble' from a standing postion ala the beginning to the Dick Van Dyke show. That is not a place to start. I have yet to see a book that shows you the full fall and landing technique. But they probably exist. Most technique books show the 'money shot', which is the person lying parallel or horizontal to the ground about 4 feet up and then the next shot is after laying on the ground. Never the actual hit. Furthermore; Airborne jumping, taijutsus, or any of that is not gonna save you a broken arm or body or anything else including death given grievious circumstance. Call it risk aware consentual falling if you want. It is also not harmless to say it is to risky practicing falls, so I will wait until I fall on the ice and die like Dr. Pritkin or Atkins, whoever it was...lotta good his svelte body with low cholesterol did him. That's the counterpoint. But Ja, don't go running out there and dive off the roof of your house after reading a book, to see how much you have learned or if you need to adjust technique.

Ron



siamsa24 -> RE: are there lessons....... (11/19/2005 1:21:03 PM)

Well, it sounded as though she wanted to learn a front fall, which is a basic fall, but is still dangerous. The first time I did a front fall I got whiplash (and that was under the supervision of a very qualified teacher). Rolls are fairly simple, but still take quite a bit to learn. I was just giving a warning to approach such a learning technique with great caution.



JalisMaster -> RE: Jump stories was RE: are there lessons....... (11/19/2005 1:24:05 PM)

I'm going along with the majority here also . (love the response :I have enough problems here on terra firma). mnottertail quoted some very good arts that incorpoarte falling/rolling etc. I'm sure that you could find an instructor in your area that would be happy to help you out. a thought on the book and self practice, any technique relies on proper execution and all of the little nuances matter. learning this on your own could result in early success at an easy type fall/roll and extremely complicate one thats more difficult(by not having correct technique early on) "practice a technique 10,000 times and you begin to know the technique...practice it 100,000 times and you begin to know yourself.. good luck [;)]



slavejali -> RE: are there lessons....... (11/19/2005 1:31:38 PM)

Master is a 4th degree blackbelt in Taekwondo...He has started a school here in which im taking lessons (very proud of my green belt)..He teaches people how to fall correctly..its just like training your body to do something unnatural till it becomes natural...ive noticed my concentration has improved through it too..which might be helpful to you too krikket..becming more aware of your surrounds..so you become less likely to fall in the first place.



krikket -> RE: are there lessons....... (11/19/2005 4:13:48 PM)

I want to thank everyone for their great ideas, and have already started the search process to find someone in my area who can teach me to fall, and perhaps strenghten all over. i did Yoga for years, but it slowly slid away. I already do some excersizing, and used to enjoy power walking, but have become pretty leary of it this past year. Thanks for the encouragement. :)

Warest regards,
jimini



mystictryst -> RE: are there lessons....... (11/20/2005 3:01:25 PM)

As a fellow "Standing Challenged", I would suggest you could always try wrapping yourself in bubble wrap... *grin*

Uneven sidewalks and roadway cracks are my worst enemies. I've taken some of the suggestions to heart and will also be looking into it.

A fellow clutz,

mystic



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: are there lessons....... (11/20/2005 3:45:08 PM)

YOu got great ideas already. I will just add that the first they taught us in ice skating lessons was how to fall.



Vancouver_cinful -> RE: are there lessons....... (11/20/2005 4:59:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: IronBear
I'm told that I turned the air blue and that I didn'y repeate myself once all the way down, but the course commander learned a great deal about his ancestors and which animals they had been having intercourse with.

Oh crap...Coffee all over my monitor AGAIN...courtesy of the Bear...not for the first time.

Thanks for the laugh, IB!

Cin



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