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Chronic Pain and Painsluts - 8/9/2008 6:48:09 AM   
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There are some other topics up now about pain and the healthy submissive.  My wish was not to hijack those threads. I have some questions, but  I would like to welcome other thoughts on this matter. 
Are you ever in so much pain due to a disease or condition that you cannot not perform? 
Are there any painsluts who like all forms of pain even when no administered by another person? 
Did your chronic pain contribute to your high tolerance to pain and/or preference for it? 
Has your medical condition ever hinder you from seeking a partner because of a severe condition? 
What kind of pain are you experiencing and is considered chronic(ongoing)? 
How does it affect you, if any, in a scene?

Any insights or thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

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RE: Chronic Pain and Painsluts - 8/9/2008 7:38:55 AM   
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damn skippy, that's a whole lot of questions in one breath

as far as chronic pain, yeah, some people can't perform due to it; imagine trying to do anything with a migraine, for example, which i don't have, just so you know...

as far as pain sluts go, i'm not one, but those i have spoken to are so into pain, or so can't feel any pain, that it doesn't matter who or what administers the pain or what kind of pain it is, because their brain receptors don't acknowledge it as pain, per se...

as far as being in chronic pain and building up a tolerance for it; well, the only people i personally know that are dealing with chronic pain are sadists, and they seem to feel better after administering pain to someone else...

as far as dealing with my own personal pain and how it effects me in scenes(mine just happens to be a bum knee), that's a no brainer; we adjust the way we do things as necessary, and don't do things that would make it worse.

hope that helps.

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RE: Chronic Pain and Painsluts - 8/9/2008 8:03:56 AM   
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Are you ever in so much pain due to a disease or condition that you cannot not perform? 

yes
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Are there any painsluts who like all forms of pain even when no administered by another person? 

not this one
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Did your chronic pain contribute to your high tolerance to pain and/or preference for it? 

not sure.  the jury is out on that one....especially with all the studies being done regarding the pain tolerance of redheads.
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Has your medical condition ever hinder you from seeking a partner because of a severe condition?

at one time, this slave's severe medical condition caused her to SEEK OUT a partner...to replicate with.  after removal of the severe-est part of the condition, this slave did not seek out partners who desired to replicate, as it was no longer possible.
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What kind of pain are you experiencing and is considered chronic(ongoing)? 

migraines
nerve tumor/damage to the right foot
rigid high arches to both feet have caused this slave to develop painful lesions on the bottoms of both feet, so walking=pain
arthritis
due to this slave's bouts of hormonal overload, the kinds of pain one experiences when pregnant(sans kicking baby)---swollen, lumpy, sharply painful breasts/underarms and chest, back and body aches, sore stomach and throat from the "morning sickness"
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How does it affect you, if any, in a scene?

if it is a migraine, Master is apt to leave this slave alone until it is over...He isn't turned on by continuous weeping and Roman Showers.
 
if it is the other, often this slave's pain is intensified.  binding sharply painful breasts to an extremely sore chest actually hurts more than when this slave is not having an episode of hormone overload.
 
elbows and fingers that ache and the burning sensations from the bottom of this slave's foot are an underlying presence every day.  Master encourages crawling and massaging with herb-infused oils that are good for this slaves hands & elbows.
 
this slave takes medicine to lessen the severity and help her to not care that it hurts when it gets intolerable, or she needs a break.

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RE: Chronic Pain and Painsluts - 8/9/2008 8:09:56 AM   
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There are some other topics up now about pain and the healthy submissive.  My wish was not to hijack those threads. I have some questions, but  I would like to welcome other thoughts on this matter. 

Are you ever in so much pain due to a disease or condition that you cannot not perform?   When I broke my pelvis and leg 4 years ago, the pain continued until about a year ago, and still returns with a vengance occasionally, although it's been a minute. Not preforming? Jesus, try putting yours  legs behind your head with a broken pelvis... all kinds of wtf.

Are there any painsluts who like all forms of pain even when no administered by another person?  I tend to get annoyed when stupid people, people I am not attracted to, or splinters under my nails cause me pain. Who doesn't?

Did your chronic pain contribute to your high tolerance to pain and/or preference for it?  I don't think so

Has your medical condition ever hinder you from seeking a partner because of a severe condition?  Nope

What kind of pain are you experiencing and is considered chronic(ongoing)?  It's going away, so I don't think it is chronic. I cannot however sit in the same spot for any lenght of time, or my leg cramps up, and I will fall on my face when I get up. Sexy!

How does it affect you, if any, in a scene? The whole leg-head thing is still something I avoid.




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RE: Chronic Pain and Painsluts - 8/9/2008 8:32:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: UR2Badored

There are some other topics up now about pain and the healthy submissive.  My wish was not to hijack those threads. I have some questions, but  I would like to welcome other thoughts on this matter. 
Are you ever in so much pain due to a disease or condition that you cannot not perform? 
Are there any painsluts who like all forms of pain even when no administered by another person? 
Did your chronic pain contribute to your high tolerance to pain and/or preference for it? 
Has your medical condition ever hinder you from seeking a partner because of a severe condition? 
What kind of pain are you experiencing and is considered chronic(ongoing)? 
How does it affect you, if any, in a scene?

Any insights or thoughts would be greatly appreciated.


I'd like to comment as a dominant who is also an intensity-slut. One reason that I decided to stop calling myself a 'pain-slut' is that I'm really particular about the -kind- of pain. I love getting a tat or piercing when I'm in the headspace, and don't even mind getting an IV or having blood drawn all that much (except that watching that tube fill up with blood is -so- HOT...even though I know it's mine on an intellectual level!).

That being said, I have a genetic abnormality that causes me substantial chronic, un-relievable pain. I can function through it most days, though it wears me out, frankly. The more I -want- to do something, the more I can push through the chronic pain to do it. Therefore, a three hour piercing or cutting scene I could -definitely- find the energy for... even though I dragged my arse through the workday and had to push myself to make it through the whole thing.

I have been in chronic pain my entire life. A few rounds with morphine are the only times I can remember being -truly- pain-free... but that dulled the intensity everywhere for me, so no chance of me getting addicted to it. Eventually, I accept the chronic pain as the cost of amazing, high-intensity experiences. One thing I -have- noticed over the years is that if I can get the intensity level high enough, my body can finally seem to cope with the chronic pain, and that is an amazing experience when I can get there.

I've never let my medical condition control -anything- in my life for more than a few days at a time. I've defied doctors who guaranteed me I'd be (1) dead, (2) completely crippled, and (3) unable to effect change on my condition, because -nobody- tells me what I'm going to do with my life. I'll lay it down when I'm damned good and ready -- or when the Universe completely surprises me and rips it away before I can prevent the transition.

My pain is a result of my body's ongoing attack against itself from an immune system that is "mis-wired". I have a condition similar to multiple sclerosis, but with spasms and shocks that are, as best I can describe, like direct neural stimulation pain. The muscles lock up and pain shoots through the extremity at random, as the muscles are trying to pull the extremity inside out into my body like a frigging turtle limb. In addition, a scooter/SUV encounter left me with degeneration from fractures of my tailbone and right hip, with arthritic/bone pain that has never really responded to medication.

In a scene, because I am typically the top, I occasionally have to be careful how I position myself and make concessions for the limits of standing and bending that I have. Sometimes, a series of spasms will interrupt a scene.

When I'm getting body-mod work done, again, position is everything for me. I have to be careful not to put a strain on the areas that are liable to cause problems. I have never had an incident where the neural spasms happened during a body-mod session (though I haven't had nearly as many of these as I'd like), but I'd say that, if it did happen, we'd definitely have to take either a pause or reschedule the rest of the mod. I have, however, had to take long breaks from having body modification done because of medications to manage the progress of my disease. (WOO HOO -- I've been off the immune modulators long enough to finally get my surface piercings and another tat done!!!!)

On the other hand, I simply can't get medical doctors to understand that they HAVE to take my chronic issues into consideration when they position me for some test or another -- example.. I had a cardiac cath done a year ago to find out how much damage the immune modulators might be doing to my heart -- I -told- the f*ckers that I couldn't lay flat on my back without something to support my hip/spine for 6 hours while they pressure-closed the arterial entry in my groin without excruciating pain -- they blew me off, and then wondered why, after 2 hours, I was screaming and crying in agony, my legs kept seizing up instead of laying still, etc. Bloody, frigging IDIOTS!. All they would have had to do was put a support wedge under my lower spine and right hip.

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RE: Chronic Pain and Painsluts - 8/9/2008 8:39:46 AM   
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Sorry, I've slaughtered the English language in my original post.  I hope it wasnt too painful   Too late to edit now.

Sorry, daddysliloneds my OP was not well thought out so what's new....I am a goof.

I have a condition that causes pain along with a almost daily low-grade fever.  As I get older, the fever really is taking it's toll.  Just wondering how similiar circumstances with others are tolerated and addressed. 

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

Are there any painsluts who like all forms of pain even when no administered by another person?  I tend to get annoyed when stupid people, people I am not attracted to, or splinters under my nails cause me pain. Who doesn't?


I was not very clear in my questioning.  I was wondering if any organic pain, specifically a medical condition, that might have some pleasurable benefits.  I can see how this may seem silly of me to ask, but I was just wondering if for some pain was tolerated similarly to a degree

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Are you ever in so much pain due to a disease or condition that you cannot not perform? 

yes
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How does it affect you, if any, in a scene?

if it is a migraine, Master is apt to leave this slave alone until it is over...He isn't turned on by continuous weeping and Roman Showers.
 


Thanks for sharing this information, beth.  Sometimes, I feel so guilty when I cannot perform to optimal standards.

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RE: Chronic Pain and Painsluts - 8/9/2008 9:38:26 AM   
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On the other hand, I simply can't get medical doctors to understand that they HAVE to take my chronic issues into consideration when they position me for some test or another -- example.. I had a cardiac cath done a year ago to find out how much damage the immune modulators might be doing to my heart -- I -told- the f*ckers that I couldn't lay flat on my back without something to support my hip/spine for 6 hours while they pressure-closed the arterial entry in my groin without excruciating pain -- they blew me off, and then wondered why, after 2 hours, I was screaming and crying in agony, my legs kept seizing up instead of laying still, etc. Bloody, frigging IDIOTS!. All they would have had to do was put a support wedge under my lower spine and right hip.

Calla Firestorm





You learn very quicky to be an advocate for yourself when facing pain management and in the dealings medical providers. Boy, do I have stories. 

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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

I've never let my medical condition control -anything- in my life for more than a few days at a time. I've defied doctors who guaranteed me I'd be (1) dead, (2) completely crippled, and (3) unable to effect change on my condition, because -nobody- tells me what I'm going to do with my life. I'll lay it down when I'm damned good and ready -- or when the Universe completely surprises me and rips it away before I can prevent the transition.



That is both admirable and a testiment to your endurance.  I hope I dont let my particular disease define me, but boy does it bring me to my knees. I am hopefully more appreciative when I am having good days. Is your particular disease considered an orphan disease?

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RE: Chronic Pain and Painsluts - 8/9/2008 10:12:48 AM   
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I would have posted this on the other side, since I'm not big on public publishing of my sh*t, but since you don't have a profile for c-mail there, here goes:


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That is very admirable. I hope I dont let my particular disease define me, but boy does it bring me to my knees. Is your particular disease considered an orphan disease?


It's not admirable. Honestly, to me admirable is when you do something hard that benefits someone besides yourself -- this was pure, unadulterated survival. The doctors told my parents, shortly after I was born, that I would never survive infancy. Nobody knew what to do with me, because the docs kept saying I would succumb to whatever the disease-of-the week was because of my flaky immune system... so nobody tried to do anything for me because that was the most "merciful" thing to do -- just let me die. But I didn't die.

30 was the first "milestone" that was "solid" in the eyes of the medical profession... "IF she lives to 30" was the pat phrase. When I hit 30 and was still alive, I had to completely re-negotiate my entire idea of what my life would be... or just give up and die because I was supposed to. I grew up with skin that literally peeled off in sheets, and caused my extremities to become "glued" to the stockings, long sleeves, and tights my parents put me in to hide the fact that my body was destroying itself. When that quieted down, my body started gnawing away at my neuro system and organs. Now, I get occasional bouts of both of the earlier problems, plus whole new sets of crappy, painful symptoms... and I keep saying that, I don't care if it's not "natural"... if they can gene-splice me a new body, I'll take the chance and be the damned guinea pig to see if it works. It can't be any worse than this, right? I want a new body -- I'll even take an android body.

My condition is so rare that only a handful of cases have ever been documented and nobody bothers studying it, except in comparing genetic scans to see what genes might trigger certain parts, like, for example, the MS-like symptoms, which the people who are researching MS want to know about so they can compare with people who have -only- MS to see if it shows them anything they can use. The other group that has an intense interest in my genetic profile are the doctors trying to unravel unresponsive atopic dermatitis. I would -love- for them to have a breakthrough that would help me, but so far, they haven't learned anything from me that they didn't already know.

I've had -years- of missed and incomplete diagnoses, and the -right -diagnosis (if it -is- the right diagnosis... it finally describes everything that has gone on with me my whole life, though) finally only came about 2 years ago, during a hospitalization for an auto accident, while a neurologist was checking some obscure stuff trying to control the muscle spasms so my hip could heal. The closest you can come to describing what I have in a disease people can research is a disease called Job Syndrome or HyperIgE syndrome (which is also either an orphan disease or close, and is what they diagnosed me with up until 2 years ago, despite my life expectancy and other inconsistencies). The very things that differ in my disease, though, are the things that mean that the few of us that there are have to figure out to live out a normal, full life-span like this.

Don't get me wrong -- this thing can -literally- bring me to my knees. It can still make me cry, even after all these years -- and just when I think I've figured it out, it finds a new way to torture me. My own body is, perhaps, the most creative sadist ever designed. But I'm a stubborn b*tch, and I'll keep saying I'll never give up, even when I'm in a fetal position, just because I'm too ornery to not go down fighting (I'm Irish and Sicilian -- what do ya expect *LOL*). Some days, though, I'm so tired that the whole idea of having to breathe seems like an effort... then that stubborn b*tch side kicks in...

Now that I think about it, there must be some kind of masochistic tendency in here, huh? *laughs*

Having someone else to do the laundry, though ... I could sure overlook a lot for someone like that.

CFB

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RE: Chronic Pain and Painsluts - 8/9/2008 11:33:46 AM   
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Admirable = deserving admiration (respect or liking).  I can admire you if I want to.  (naner naner naner--there is not a thing you can do about it) 

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RE: Chronic Pain and Painsluts - 8/9/2008 12:19:48 PM   
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Are you ever in so much pain due to a disease or condition that you cannot not perform? 

A partially detached, but healed over muscle in my back will keep me from raising my right arm fully 75% of the year.  When it is bad and swollen I cannot breathe well due to the constriction on my right lung.

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Are there any painsluts who like all forms of pain even when no administered by another person? 

If I am feeling very maso, with no outlet, I will force the pain.

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Did your chronic pain contribute to your high tolerance to pain and/or preference for it? 

Mine is only recent (10 yrs), and I was a maso long before it ripped.  Tolerance depends on who I am with, and why I need the pain.

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Has your medical condition ever hinder you from seeking a partner because of a severe condition?

Never.  I am otherwise extremely healthy.

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What kind of pain are you experiencing and is considered chronic(ongoing)? 

Mine is a lifetime injury.  It always hurts, I have just learned to deal with it.   Some days it is a dull throb, sometimes it is only sore when I push it, and there are days where it feels like gremlins are on my back ripping my flesh with their sharp teeth.  On those days the pain is intolerable and makes me want to drive off a cliff.  Those days are few, thank goodness.
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RE: Chronic Pain and Painsluts - 8/9/2008 2:15:05 PM   
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Admirable = deserving admiration (respect or liking).  I can admire you if I want to.  (naner naner naner--there is not a thing you can do about it) 


*LOL* Ok, you've got me!

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RE: Chronic Pain and Painsluts - 8/12/2008 5:08:39 PM   
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Yeah, the pain gets to me. I have fibromyalgia, migraines, and now am recovering from a gnarly motorcycle accident, so sometimes it puts me out of commission. It basically means that I don't like severe pain inflicted on me. Hairpulling, biting, that sort of thing is kind of my limit. I'm very proud of myself, though. It's six weeks after the accident, and I was able to have great sex for an hour last night! Woohoo!

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RE: Chronic Pain and Painsluts - 8/13/2008 12:07:48 AM   
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There are some other topics up now about pain and the healthy submissive.  My wish was not to hijack those threads. I have some questions, but  I would like to welcome other thoughts on this matter. 
Are you ever in so much pain due to a disease or condition that you cannot not perform?  Yes. That is more typical than not for me, it is also part of why an LDR is perfect for me. There is no way I could satisfy anyone on a full time basis no matter how much I wish otherwise.
Are there any painsluts who like all forms of pain even when no administered by another person?  N/A. Not a painslut.
Did your chronic pain contribute to your high tolerance to pain and/or preference for it?  I don't think so? My pain tolerance is sometimes so low that a simple bump drops me to my knees, and other times I won't notice a burn from cooking.
Has your medical condition ever hinder you from seeking a partner because of a severe condition?  Oh hell yes. Again... LDR for me and very few local real time friends are involved with my life.
What kind of pain are you experiencing and is considered chronic(ongoing)?  Muscle pain, bone pain, jaw pain, hip pain, skin hurts a lot, sometimes my hair hurts. A lot of times my toes hurt which sounds goofy but can be a really negative effect if I want to walk. Headaches. Cognitive difficulties. Insomnia (hello its 3am). I know there is more on the list but my brain is foggy and the pain is bad tonight, makes it hard to process thoughts into words that are coherent.
How does it affect you, if any, in a scene? Greatly effects me, can't do some positions at all, or some play at all. Need a lot of breaks and I know the next day will be hell from playing. 'Play then pay' is what I call that.

Any insights or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Just that you can find a balance between rearranging your life, and letting it take over your life. It can be hard to juggle but with a lot of work and research into the bodies reaction it can be done. This is an area where avoidance is a positive thing.


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RE: Chronic Pain and Painsluts - 8/13/2008 2:00:24 AM   
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Has your medical condition ever hinder you from seeking a partner because of a severe condition?  Oh hell yes. Again... LDR for me and very few local real time friends are involved with my life.


Camille,
This makes a lot of sense to me. I am, quite freqently, not at the top of my game so to speak. 

Thanks to everyone who contributed insights/experiences to this board. 

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