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testes sac inflation - 8/25/2008 12:48:25 PM   
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Hello all- I have a question about inflating a slaves testes sack with a sterile saline solution.  How much solution is usually used? Also, if anyone out here has done this, please describe  the preparation, and the aftereffects. Thanks!!
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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/25/2008 5:28:37 PM   
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There was a wonderful dutch site that showed and described all of this in great detail. As I have switched PC to MAC I do not have all my links so will have to search a bit to see where the old fav folder went to.
As soon as I can will post link.

I have oredered all the supplies a year ago, butnever tried. Main reason is it takes several days for saline ot be absorbed.
So a grapefruit in your pants will not allow you to go to work, you must plan for at least four days before clear.




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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/25/2008 10:01:15 PM   
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Low hanging balls?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5v4Tqkuv3U&feature=related

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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/26/2008 5:31:29 PM   
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The dutchman is th esite I have looked at for good info
also the pump house file on how to is good.



http://www.bmeworld.com/dutchman/dm-warning.html

www.pumphouse.me.uk/How_to_do_a_Scrotal_Infusion.pdf

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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/26/2008 7:22:33 PM   
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As for after effects I can only predict heavy bruising.. on the person who perforated my sac!

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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/26/2008 9:24:24 PM   
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I have oredered all the supplies a year ago, butnever tried. Main reason is it takes several days for saline ot be absorbed.
So a grapefruit in your pants will not allow you to go to work, you must plan for at least four days before clear.



Only took two days fror me, about 750 ml. First and only attempt to date. I was a bit disappointed- thought it would be more painful.

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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/27/2008 5:42:32 AM   
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You will probably find more results in your search if you use the term "infusion". Inflation implies you are blowing something up with air.

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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/28/2008 2:33:01 AM   
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I've done it several times in smaller and larger amounts, on men and women, on various body parts.  I don't recall how many CCs of fluid was in the largest saline bag I've used, but it did leave the person I was sufflating/injecting with a sac the size of a grapefruit and a cock the size of ... trying to think of a good comparison... a sweet potato.   He reported that the saline was absorbed into his body completely a couple of days later.  

Having a large enough syringe to draw the fluid into is helpful and saves having to refill lots of little syringes over and over again.  Getting the saline into the syringe is challenging if you don't have a lot of hand strength.  Snipping a small hole in the top of the saline bag (assuming you have it hanging and are drawing from the flange at the bottom) keeps you from having to fight vacuum and makes refills easier. 

I use 18-20ga needles to draw fluid out.  The same size can be used to inject, but leaves bigger holes that can lead to a bit of leakage, but not much.  Using smaller guage needles means it takes longer to refill syringes, and longer to get fluid under the skin.   I change out needles after every couple of draws/injections because they get dull quickly and, depending on the thickness of the skin you're poking, the smaller ones have a way of bending.  Also, butterfly needles are very helpful because it's hard to hold the syringe really steady if you jab directly into the skin, and a wiggling needle is a potentially bendy needle and definitely a cutting-tissue-under-the-surface needle, which just makes things messy. 

Getting all the bubbles out of the syringe is more than a good idea:  people get all snippy about aneurisms and aftercare is ::cough:: a challenge.   And by challenge, I mean death happens.  I'd suggest avoiding scenes that end in death, but I don't wanna get all MKIOK/YKIFU about it. 

One kind of entertaining thing to note is that saline likes to migrate once it's in the body.  You get a nice, fully puffed up area all done and start poking at it (cuz it's FUN), or even just leave it alone, and gravity and a person's movements will have the saline very slowly shifting around.  It also starts to absorb pretty quickly, so smaller amounts, injected slowly, don't always get the dramatic results a lot of people like.  I don't always use saline to make big distended areas of the body, but sometimes just to make smaller areas (like nipples) very puffy and hypersensitive. I haven't tried anything on the face yet, but I know some people do that. 

Using refrigerated saline can be another way to do sensation/temperature play.  I wouldn't put it in the freezer and risk putting extremely cold liquid anywhere near someone's organs or risk killing cells by freezing them, but a little chill on an already cool liquid has been low-risk so far.  I haven't tried heating it up and don't intend to. 

DO read as much as you can on BME sites.  If there's someone in your community that does saline play, ask if you can observe one of their scenes sometime or whether they'll teach you and supervise while you do your first injection. 

Good luck!

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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/28/2008 2:51:18 AM   
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Wow.

My mind is blown.  This plus the discovery of Dance Dance Immolation has totally rewritten my perception of humanity.

Actually, DDI is enough to carry on its own.  But... needle... saline... elephantitis... augh. No!  No!  Wrong...

Not that I'm criticizing, mind you.  Just cringing.  I'm not edge enough, it seems.


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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/28/2008 5:23:51 AM   
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Having a large enough syringe to draw the fluid into is helpful and saves having to refill lots of little syringes over and over again.  Getting the saline into the syringe is challenging if you don't have a lot of hand strength.  Snipping a small hole in the top of the saline bag (assuming you have it hanging and are drawing from the flange at the bottom) keeps you from having to fight vacuum and makes refills easier. 


I'm curious- why do multiple injections with a syringe rather than setting up an IV, if you're doing something like a scrotal infusion where you can put a lot of fluid into one place? It seems to me that the less time you spend handling all the materials, the less of a sterilization challenge you'd have.

Even though I know it's not actually the case, I just can't help bringing up the mental image of someone squeezing an overinflated scrotum and having it spray water like a fountain from dozens of holes

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Using refrigerated saline can be another way to do sensation/temperature play.  I wouldn't put it in the freezer and risk putting extremely cold liquid anywhere near someone's organs or risk killing cells by freezing them, but a little chill on an already cool liquid has been low-risk so far.  I haven't tried heating it up and don't intend to. 


I was reading (probably on the Dutchman's site, there aren't a whole lot of sites out there) that the trick is to heat up some tap water to 150 degrees or so on the stovetop or in a microwave, then put the saline bag in it for a while to warm that up to between 90 and 100 degrees. I don't have the medical background to know what would happen if you exceeded 100 degrees by any appreciable amount, but since body temp is usually around 98.6, warming the saline to that point will have no adverse effects, and can actually be quite helpful in scrotal infusions since it will make the skin more pliable (obviously, all temperatures above are in Fahrenheit)

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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/28/2008 10:27:58 AM   
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I don't set up an IV because I haven't learned how to do that yet.  Yes, it'd be much more effective.  OTOH, scrotums are not the only place I like to inject saline.  Someday, an IV will be good fun.  In the meantime, I'm less likely to over-sufflate someone if I'm going really slowly as a necessary function of inefficient technique.  Oversufflation can lead to tissue separation and, if the saline doesn't all absorb into the body quickly enough, there are other health risks that involve big words and medical terms I can't recall off the top of my head, but were dire enough when I first learned about them that a small part of my brain remembers that there is such a thing as too much saline, so don't go all nuts with it, mkay?  Necrosis was one of the words, I believe.  Of course, IVs do have those nifty little clamps that make it easy to shut off the flow if things are going too fast or looking more like a pomelo than a grapefruit, so maybe it wouldn't necessarily all end in tears and confusing paperwork.   Does KinkyMedical.net sell IV stuff?  I don't recall seeing it there.  He's so good at making kits for things.  

And...  warming the saline to body temp as a means of keeping the skin pliable is a damned good idea.  I don't keep thermometers around my dungeon, other than the Spongebob Squarepants musical rectal thermometer, and I'm not sure if it'd be a good idea to stick it in the bag to measure liquid temp.  How do you check temp to make sure it's not too hot? 

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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/28/2008 10:42:13 AM   
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Wow.

My mind is blown.  This plus the discovery of Dance Dance Immolation has totally rewritten my perception of humanity.

Actually, DDI is enough to carry on its own.  But... needle... saline... elephantitis... augh. No!  No!  Wrong...

Not that I'm criticizing, mind you.  Just cringing.  I'm not edge enough, it seems.



Ooo, DDI sounds COOL!  In a fiery way. 

The "edge" is pretty subjective.  Up to a point, I guess.   Chacun à son goût.  Or is it "check on son's goat"?  Something like that.

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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/28/2008 6:18:41 PM   
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for temp on saline tape on the bag one of those forehead flat plastic color thermometers

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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/28/2008 7:40:31 PM   
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Of course, IVs do have those nifty little clamps that make it easy to shut off the flow if things are going too fast or looking more like a pomelo than a grapefruit, so maybe it wouldn't necessarily all end in tears and confusing paperwork.   Does KinkyMedical.net sell IV stuff?  I don't recall seeing it there.  He's so good at making kits for things.  


Hell, I just bought an IV drip line, stuck it in, and watched. I did have a heck of a hard time finding one for sale- I ended up buying one at a fetish fleamarket for like $9, then a couple months later I found a medical supplier on-line selling them for $2 or so. It was weird- it took FOREVER to find injectable saline, and when I did, they didn't sell the IV tubing. Then I found a place that sold IV tubing and saline, but they didn't sell needles (of course, I already had a pile for play-piercing). There must be some bizarro-world laws about that kind of stuff.

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How do you check temp to make sure it's not too hot? 


I've actually got an infrared digital thermometer- cost $40 or so. It may not be as cool as a Spongebob rectal thermometer, but it's pretty versatile.

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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/28/2008 9:24:29 PM   
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for temp on saline tape on the bag one of those forehead flat plastic color thermometers


Hey!  I like it!  Thank you! 

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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/28/2008 9:28:24 PM   
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Of course, IVs do have those nifty little clamps that make it easy to shut off the flow if things are going too fast or looking more like a pomelo than a grapefruit, so maybe it wouldn't necessarily all end in tears and confusing paperwork.   Does KinkyMedical.net sell IV stuff?  I don't recall seeing it there.  He's so good at making kits for things.  


Hell, I just bought an IV drip line, stuck it in, and watched. I did have a heck of a hard time finding one for sale- I ended up buying one at a fetish fleamarket for like $9, then a couple months later I found a medical supplier on-line selling them for $2 or so. It was weird- it took FOREVER to find injectable saline, and when I did, they didn't sell the IV tubing. Then I found a place that sold IV tubing and saline, but they didn't sell needles (of course, I already had a pile for play-piercing). There must be some bizarro-world laws about that kind of stuff.

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How do you check temp to make sure it's not too hot? 


I've actually got an infrared digital thermometer- cost $40 or so. It may not be as cool as a Spongebob rectal thermometer, but it's pretty versatile.



I have plenty of needles, including butterfly needles, but no IV tubing.  I have saline, but no IV tubing.  Which looks like 4 tubing because of the Roman numerals, but my inner second grader can shut the hell up with that mess.  Looks like I have some shopping to do.  Gotta stock back up on saline anyway.  I need me a stockpile, just in case there's some kind of saline orgy waiting to happen somewhere and I walk into it. 

Spongebob was $2.99.     I have a princess one, too ($1.99), but it doesn't play music or work with infrared.  D'oh! Gonna have to upgrade now, thank you soooooo much! 

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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/29/2008 5:53:41 AM   
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I need me a stockpile, just in case there's some kind of saline orgy waiting to happen somewhere and I walk into it. 


Now that's a positive attitude! (or maybe just a much better social life than I'm accustomed to)

This is the place I bought stuff from:

http://www.bpmedicalsupplies.com/

They also have casting supplies, and a whole section labeled "Transportation and Immobilization", and I'll shop any place that has an Immobilization department. I got my IR thermometer from an auto parts store (since that's what I bought it for in the first place, though it usually hangs out in the kitchen because it works great for frying oil). It does not give accurate readings on housecats, though, as they end up chasing the little laser dot.

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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/29/2008 10:39:40 AM   
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I need me a stockpile, just in case there's some kind of saline orgy waiting to happen somewhere and I walk into it. 


Now that's a positive attitude! (or maybe just a much better social life than I'm accustomed to)

This is the place I bought stuff from:

http://www.bpmedicalsupplies.com/

They also have casting supplies, and a whole section labeled "Transportation and Immobilization", and I'll shop any place that has an Immobilization department. I got my IR thermometer from an auto parts store (since that's what I bought it for in the first place, though it usually hangs out in the kitchen because it works great for frying oil). It does not give accurate readings on housecats, though, as they end up chasing the little laser dot.



The way my social life goes, if I walk into a play party with a good supply of something weird, I tend to end up with a cluster of people all happy to give it a go.  I am a lucky, lucky girl.  

Oo, casting!  I haven't done any of that.   I've surfed plenty of hospital supply sites while stimulating certain nerve endings and always get caught up in the sections where they have stuff for preventing bedsores and doing emergency immobilizations (inflatable  casts!  yes!) and transporting crazy prisoners and stuff.   There are hospital beds and wheelchair seats that have inflatable bladder thingies that can be set on a routine to automatically inflate and deflate to keep the pressure under the body changing to prevent bedsores.  I thought that'd make for a very interesting extended mummification/sensory deprivation scene.

Ba ha ha ha! on the cats.   I used to have one that liked to be tied up (and camping and taking baths).  Never tried taking her temp.  I hope her quality of life wasn't diminished due to my negligence in giving her every experience we could think of. 

EDIT:  Ho lee shee it!  BP Medical is sellng 1000ml bags of saline for two dollars each!  RainbowRope was selling them at Thunder this year for something like $12.  I was low on saline then (still am) but wasn't about to pay that much.  BP Medical is getting some of my money very soon, and thank YOU for the heads up!

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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/29/2008 10:54:33 PM   
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Speaking as a man who was cursed with a extremely LARGE set of nuts...I can't figure this one out, someone can actually derive a sense of pleasure from this? I mean if they can,,thats GREAT! But knowing from my experience,Hell I got to be careful..they get in the way. And doing a sixtynine with me on top can kill a gal...smother em...biological Ball gag!

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RE: testes sac inflation - 8/30/2008 7:33:52 AM   
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There are hospital beds and wheelchair seats that have inflatable bladder thingies that can be set on a routine to automatically inflate and deflate to keep the pressure under the body changing to prevent bedsores.  I thought that'd make for a very interesting extended mummification/sensory deprivation scene.


Eeeeenteresting! Looks like a mattress can be had for about $60 shipped off of ebay, I may have to give that one a try. It seems as though the more depressing the original purpose of a piece of medical gear is, the more potential it has for kink...

Riggor- I happen to like doing things that change the body temporarily (sometimes permanently). Having a sac so large that it actually interferes with day-to-day life is an interesting type of bondage, to me. I can see why you wouldn't want it to stay that way!

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