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Work issue - 8/29/2008 7:05:06 AM   
Termyn8or


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It may be too late to take any advice but here goes.

This will be my last day of work for a week because the boss is going on vacation. We work closely and without him to make certain decisions I can't proceed. I can make the decisions but I do not have sufficient information to do so, so I will probably be off for the next week.

I might get called in, but we have a guy who is on a power trip and thinks he runs the place. We have had the occasional run in but everything gets resolved. The thing is, it is bad enough when he thinks he runs the place, so I have no desire to work when he is actually running the place.

The boss is leaving tomorrow, and I may have figured it out. See I do recognize this guy's position there, just like like the other place, there is a guy who knows what is hot and what is not. That's all though.

What I am thinking is to tell the boss that if they want to call me in, tell this guy the I work for YOU not HIM. Under that condition I will take the work as I need the money.

Don't get me wrong, I make decent money but I do live pay to pay. I spend it, and I pay bills that I racked up on a few vacations of my own. As it stands my credit card debt is going down because I got good rates, I have curtailed usage and I always pay on time. Even though the debt is heavy I have no need for credit counselling services or anything of the sort.

However I am thinking about a week of not making any money, because I don't have anything going on in the way of side work. Right now the plan is to work on the house, get a few things done.

The power trip ? I'll explain right now by example, and this happened a scant few days ago. I put something where it shouldn't be, but it was the only place for it. He moved it and said "What part didn't you understand ?". Well I'll tell you the part I didn't understand, first of all I don't understand that he is my boss, and he isn't, I never answer to anyone but the owner, if that is not the case I do not take the job. I alson don't understand that he means RIGHT NOW. As if he could tell me that in the first place. I also don't understand that his reasoning supercedes mine, when he put that unit in a spot that I was going to use for another unit soon anyway, which would result in something being where it shouldn't be anyway.

At what I make I should not spend alot of time moving stuff around. I understand the guy's point, but I rejected his judgement. This is not the first time, but it is the first time he stormed out and peeled out of the parking lot, leaving early because of something I consider a stupid issue.

I think I am going to tell the boss "If I need to come in, fine, but tell this guy that I work for you, not him".

It is not that I don't usually defer to his judgement on certain things, I do. He has been there twelve years and I have been there a bit over 3½, he knows what's going on and maintains the database and also answers the phones. So logically he knows what is hot and what is not. Direction I will take, but not orders.

T
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RE: Work issue - 8/29/2008 7:08:10 AM   
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What's the question again?

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RE: Work issue - 8/29/2008 8:34:07 AM   
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you're pissed because he superceded a decision you  made.....and now  you acting pissy because of and letting your ego get in the way... even in a office environment senority does take precedence... by running to the boss you are only going to cause more friction and if in the future the boss needs to downsize for some reason  chances are you are the one that will get the boot instead of someone ...and it won't be based on the quality of your work but inorder to remove to tension/infighting  in the workplace.

he has 8 years more experience....but if he wants to take charge ...let him ... that means he also has to answer for any mistakes he
should make ...just make sure to cover your own ass  should he make a mistake so the shit does not roll downhill to you...by documenting everything you did  in  hard copy so if he decides to change things you have a record of how you submitted your work and can prove he altered it.     I am an  autoworker and have learn myself just do my job and to cover my ass , sometimes I may find a quality issue and stop the line to report it, and someone else will come by an tell me to ignore and to get the line moving again or I may be responsible for checking something and have someone else tell me to stop checking that particular item for a while as they know they are having problems with it....because my name and time is recorded for being on that particular job if a safety issue result  which takes the life of a customer the shit could roll down hill and cost me my job...  so instead of fighting and arguing about the issue ... I simply document everything  that way who ever decides to call the shots takes the fall and responsibility for  instead of me and I save myself a lot of stress by  just doing  the job as I am told to ...which can change from  day to day depending who I am working with or under




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RE: Work issue - 8/29/2008 8:38:53 AM   
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Uhm, let's see. The boss whom you work for is putting someone other than you in charge. Someone you do not care for and now your ego is feeling all hurt and whiny. Even though, in essence, since the boss is saying "this guy is in charge while I am gone" means that you are working for his choice of second in command.........you're going to be a whiny ass baby and shoot yourself in the foot instead of acting like a grownup.

I am impressed...........NOT!!!


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RE: Work issue - 8/29/2008 3:08:24 PM   
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Term,

I work in an area where I can walk into a power trip in any given situation. Some I work for or with and some I do not.  There is a definite chain of command and there is a definite respect to senior status. There are definite struggles between departments as well.  


What I do is dependent on the person. I would always want my supervisor to know that taking off on a vacation is great and there should not be any worries.
I take a good look at the person and allow them to continue to go at it and do nothing because they will jack themselves without any help from me. I maintain a positive attitude and roll right along because they are going to look stupid at some point. You won't have to lift a finger. Kind of like kill them with kindness. I use this with people that are hell bent on screwing with me for no real reason and at no point in the future does it look like a good working relationship.

I take a good look at the person and decide to tell that person, we have a communication problem. When you speak to me in that manner, I respond in this manner. It shouldn't be this stressfull. What can *I* do to change this situation? This will give them a little room to move and save face. I use this seldomly.  I use it when it will ease tensions and there is a prospect for a better working relationship. I have done nothing but take the extra step to prove that I, at least, have the capacity to address the problem and make an attempt to resolve the issue.

I take a good look at the person and say point blank, "Whats going on? Have I done something to offend you? Your sending me this weird vibe." I reserve this for people that I work with that I normally get along with. 9 out of 10 times, there is something else involved and it has nothing to do with me or work.  I just get to be the icing on the cake. 

If it was me, I wouldn't give my boss the I work only for you speech. The odds are that he/she/ it is aware. Its only a week.

< Message edited by Bethnai -- 8/29/2008 3:10:05 PM >

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RE: Work issue - 8/29/2008 3:16:18 PM   
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Term,
 
The last thing your boss wants to have to deal with while on his vacation is fighting back at the shop.  What will please your boss the most and keep you employed?  Is this jack-ass worth potentially damaging the relationship you have with the owner?
 
Sometimes we all have to suck it up and swallow the pride to make sure the money keeps flowing in and the roof stays over our heads and the bills get paid.
 
Hang up a punching bag in the garage and beat the hell out of it when you get home if he pisses you off that much.  Or put up a dart board with a Photoshoped picture of his ugly mug on the wall of your den.
 
Think about long term solutions and consequences here.
 
Take care,
 
Vendaval

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RE: Work issue - 8/29/2008 4:58:47 PM   
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I think many of us are Sub's when it comes to our employment. 
Sucks, but it is what it is.


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RE: Work issue - 8/29/2008 8:41:30 PM   
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I appreciate the responses, even the ones calling me a whiney baby because I posted this to find out what people think. I will take all under consideration, but I posted this before work this morning.

As such I did not include enough detail. Now I don't want to blow my owm horn here, but in technology I am top dog. I make the most, I get asked the questions and if I disappear the boss shows up at my house to see if I am alright. I brought ALOT of resources there with me, and have found even more. The place would be totally screwed without me.

In view of that, the situation is different. Because of how much I make I shouldn't be warehousing things, I should be working on them. I literally make twice what anyone else does except for the boss.

This guy has been told, and after he had the tantrum, he was told again literally "Damn, I got Jeff to work Monday, don't do this to me". I am usually off Mondays.

As for the whiney baby stuff, I am not the one who had a tantrum and burned rubber out of the parking lot. He did. I never even raised my voice.

Whenever I get aggravated at work I do not let it turn into anger, I just look at the clock and figure out how long it's going to take me to make one dollar. You couldn't listen to one song in that time. If I am held up somehow and can't do my job, the clock still ticks.

I did tell the boss that I would come in as long as the guy knows who I am working for. Normally we work together quite well. There are just those times, he has this presumed authority, and the fact that he did not have the power to order me around is proof of that.

I would never get into a "it's him or me" situation, that is stupid. But in the vernacular of my past, he has to know who the fuck he is talking to. Actually he is a likeable guy for the most part.

Maya, I have seniority in the field. Bigtime, and I used it well. I have gone into work with a sixpack of beer. I have also missed a day and showed up telling the boss that I missed because I did coke. That was a while back. That was the only time I asked for a front, to get weed. If I leave, they might as well close the doors. This situation has not recurred, because I have no desire for drugs, something I found out back then. He did not get pissed, and we talked about it. I had already been there over a year and he asks "So is this like a once a year thing for you ?", I said "Something like that, sometimes twice and sometimes I go years in between".

Tigre, I don't want to be in charge. I hope you and Maya are not projecting here. I do what the guy I replaced did in a forty hour week, but I do it in a twenty hour week. As such I should be facilitated.

Anyone wants to call these people and ask, I will give out the phone number(s)

Beth, I told him what I said I would tell him, and added "everything should be fine". When the guy that hired me makes me aware of some sort of chain of command, I will comply. This has not happened. This guy left tracks in the parking lot just a few days ago, and the boss is leaving for FL tomorrow.

Again, it is not I who had the tantrum.

Vend, there will be no fighting at the shop. Even raising your voice and saying "What the fuck is this ?" will get you sent home for the rest of the day. He will say "Go home have a couple of beers, burn a fat one, do whatever you do, see you tomorrow". This happened already, to the person to whom I am referring.

Quiv, good point. When we sell our time we sell our time. In a relationship it is given, but at work it is indeed bought and paid for. Interesting analogy.

I have done things there that nobody ever even thought could be done. I got a print in electronic form that nobody even knew existed, and it would've cost $100 or more. I got it overnight, for free and burned it to CD. I have done many successful modifications to accomodate aftermarket parts and found solutions to problems that nobody else would ever think of. It's that or lose the job. It's either money in the bank or a full dumpster.

Even the guy on the power trip has said to me "When you're not here money gets tight", or something to that effect. After a statement like that I wonder how he would figure to play with me like that.

I don't get pissed off, just have a look at the clock, my money still rolls in. I only got pissed off a couple of times, and it was over something like "This is ridiculous", and very unprofessional. Personal issues, I don't really care, it is not a personal matter.

Like I wrote before, it was really too late to take any advice, but I think the whiney baby comments were uncalled for. However since I opened up the subject and asked for opinions, so much for that. It is the reader's perception, and really, the more I learn about how to express myself, the more I find I do not know.

I opened up the subject though, so agree or disagree.

T

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