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YourhandMyAss -> Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (8/29/2008 10:35:40 PM)

In the book I am currently reading an amish woman went to the hospital 8 months pregnant cause her baby had stoped kicking and moving and she thought something was very wrong, turns out it was dead inside her and born stillborn, but low and behold someone at the same time just happend to have a baby they needed to get rid of so she adopts the other womans baby,  and brings it home to raise as her own as amish.

BUT the adopted child grows up feeling weird and diffrent all the time cause she wants things that amish people are not allowed to do. She wonders what it'd be like to dress like englishers do, she loves music and wants to play guitar but it's considered against the rules and a sin, ect ect.

In other books I've read the adopted person has always felt out of place and didn't know why then they suddenly find out their adopted and it all makes sense.

This portrayal as all adopted people not feeling like they fit in or are missing something bothers me greatly, because I know there's tons of people out t here, who do not feel odd because they're adopted.  Weather they know the fact or not.

I'm adopted, I've known it as long as I can remember, and I've never felt any of the isolation or lonelyness or curiosity about my biological parents, many authors pen adopted people to have. Now sure, a lot of people do feel confused and out of place and like they stick out BECAUSE of their adoption, but then many people don't.

And lately it's just irking me that many authors write the plot to play out that adopted people have always their whole life felt odd or aqward and never fit in and never knew why.




Termyn8or -> RE: Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (8/30/2008 4:32:22 AM)

I'll have you know it took me ten minutes to remember how to spell awkward (is that even right ?) after reading that.

I wonder if you could get a bio of the author(s), perhaps they were adopted and they did not fit in. That brings on a few assumptions which are not facts. They may be facts for one but not another. Remember everything written is from the author's perspective.

The other thing is that if the story had not gone that way, there would probably not be much of a plot. It's a bit like peotic license, fictionary license maybe ?

I am not sure I can agree with the author's assumption, that instinct trumps background. That would be like saying say a kid is adopted into a Jewish or Moslem family, and begins to sneak off to a restaurant for pork chops.

The premise also assumes that no Jew or Moslem ever wanted to eat pork, or an Amish person, natural born, would not want to play a musical instrument. I find this a bit far fetched, so I am pretty much agreeing with you.

I read very little fiction, but I have read some. The last one was Where The Red Fern Grows. In it, this dog makes it home under it's own power with part of it's intestines hanging out from an injury. I think that is pretty far fetched, but the plot was sufficient to validate the author's fictionary license.

You will find many works that have been poorly researched these days, and perhaps it has been that way for some time now. I see it in non-fiction, so expect it in fiction. I believe in fiction it is a mistake, in textbooks and informational books it is a crime. Creator help those who do not know enough to catch these blatant mistakes.

Good fiction is hard to write, because someone reading might know more about the technical aspects of something than the author. Really good writers reseach meticulously, and try to make it so noone catches them in a mistake, but when you start talking about personal issues, things take a turn very quickly. You speak from personal experience and are comparing it with someone else's perspective, which is fine and good, but what if you and your friends are the exception ? I am not saying that is the case, but the possibility exists.

While I don't want to psychoanalyse you, there is one point I would make. If you are finding books that have themes of adoptive Parents, that means you are looking. That means it is on your mind. I'm not saying to check yourself into a mental institution or anything of the sort, and it really doesn't even qualify as a quirk. Don't sweat it, you only live once.

Being technically oriented, I like scifi. When I read scifi I look for errors all the time. It is just natural for me to do so. When I write scifi, check yourself out of this reality and into another. That is what makes it work. I wrote a story and the set and setting is 400 years in the future and things have changed drastically. It is very kinky but in the first part there is alot of explanation about how the world is "now", and how it got to be that way. Reviews have been mixed, I recieved high accolades from some, and from others a "ho-hum".

For example I described the difference in how justice is administered in this new world. Some people would say "RIGHT ON !" and others would say "That's ridiculous", but it helps make the story work. For example a thief steals $10,000. EVERYTHING he owns is destroyed and he is given the amount he stole, but that money is no good here for anything, he is banished and it doesn't matter if he starves. He traded the trust society put in him for a lump sum, here it is, now go and never come back, and hope like hell your reputation has not preceeded you to your destination. Nothing but the $10,000 and the clothes on your back, and nobody will sell you anything, a car, food, nothing. Imagine starving to death with $10,000 in your pocket. What happens to rapists would probably be of much interest to some people here.

A writer writes, and that may be part of the problem. I wrote when I had an idea, and today I don't, so I don't write. If I had given up my "day job" to write, sooner or later I would have to come up with something.

In RL I have had a certain discussion several times with different people, why is it through the seventies that a band's first album is always the best, or at least most of the time ? It's because it took them their whole lives to do it. Then some one who "smokes a big cigar and drives a Caddilac car" says "I think this band's outta sight". Then they have to come up with a new album every year or two, and then you get filler. They start doing remakes of older tunes and things they would never do before, to fulfill the contract.

I think the same force is at work when it comes to writing. Money. Therefore in some cases we get quantity instead of quality.

T




SilverWulf -> RE: Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (8/30/2008 7:51:19 AM)

<fr>

I was adopted also and was aware of it for as long as I can remember.

There are times I've felt totally out of place when among my family.  Isolated, alone, like I don't fit, etc...

But, I have no doubt that these same feelings exist in those who are not adopted as well.

I attribute it to being human, rather than being adopted.

As for an author, or more than one, using this formula in books.  Wait a few months, the 'best selling' formula will change and you'll have another premise to get sick of.




kiwisub12 -> RE: Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (8/30/2008 11:47:26 AM)

Sounds like artistic licence to me.




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (8/30/2008 12:48:11 PM)

It most definitely is, but I still get tired of the same old worn out predictable plot, and yeah I know I could stop reading books I suspect the plot will be same old same old. I just wish sometimes, you could read say for instance a romance novel and not see the outcome screaming at you loud and clear from chapter two.

It's one of the reasons I love laurel k hamilton's Anita blake books so much, all the juicy* sometimes far more juicy infact* sex of romance novels and none of the romance novel typical bullshit plot lol.
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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

Sounds like artistic licence to me.




bipolarber -> RE: Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (8/30/2008 12:53:25 PM)

Or just really poor plotting...

Now, if the adopted child was obviously adopted, I could see them wondering who their pio-mother was, and where they might find them... what kind of life they would have had, if they hadn't been adopted by Mennonites. That would have created a very powerful pull on someone's psyche, I would think....

I wonder how it would have worked, if the amish woman had given up her baby, and was adopted by Angelina Jolie, or someone like her. Would they have grown up, wishing they weren't rich, and celebrated? Would they look down from their flight to Cannes for the film festival, and see all those feilds below, and think to themselves... "Wow I wish I had a horse and buggy, and a barn to put up... I've never felt at home at these gala film premires, or in that vast mansion out on the coast... I really wish my Lambroghini was a mule..." 




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (8/30/2008 12:54:03 PM)

Oh there's definitely times where I am odd one out, for example my mom LOOOOOOVES to shop for clothing and shows from catalogs and I am anti catalog shopping I MUST try everything on to see how it fits, does it feel good on me can I move comfortably in it, are there area's of the clothing that chafe me, and She of course doesn't even begin to come close to understanding that, even though I've explained a dozen times. She says well I never have any problems* implying if she don't then why should I*


And I don't like to window shop, if I am going to the stores damned strait I am going to bring something home, and I am a stickler about wasting money and she's not.

However none of these "odd duck out moments" and the responces to them come from being adopted, like you I say they come from being human, and therefore likely to be diffrent in personalities and quirks than those in my family.
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ORIGINAL: SilverWulf

<fr>

I was adopted also and was aware of it for as long as I can remember.

There are times I've felt totally out of place when among my family.  Isolated, alone, like I don't fit, etc...

But, I have no doubt that these same feelings exist in those who are not adopted as well.

I attribute it to being human, rather than being adopted.

As for an author, or more than one, using this formula in books.  Wait a few months, the 'best selling' formula will change and you'll have another premise to get sick of.





YourhandMyAss -> RE: Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (8/30/2008 1:10:32 PM)

I've been borrowing my moms books a lot, she's huge into the christian authors, and authors who write fiction about amish, and while normally the mention of religion makes me wanna shout barf go away not listening,* because of my intense dislike of the topic* I've found that particular writers can still do a great job of writing the book and keeping the god this and god that and repent this and reprent that and you'll go to hell if you're not a christian to a low roar, and I can actually enjoy the books.

I picked the books by how good the synopsis  on the back sounded. So, sometimes yeah it's clear there'll be talk of adoption in the book , and other times it's like BAM THERE IT IS! There was no mention of adoption in the synopsis.[:D]
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


While I don't want to psychoanalyse you, there is one point I would make. If you are finding books that have themes of adoptive Parents, that means you are looking. That means it is on your mind. I'm not saying to check yourself into a mental institution or anything of the sort, and it really doesn't even qualify as a quirk. Don't sweat it, you only live once.

T




windchymes -> RE: Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (8/30/2008 3:08:57 PM)

Well-adjusted people just don't make for interesting storylines, lol.

I was adopted, too, always knew it.  The only time I felt out-of-place was when small-minded family members tried to make me feel that way.  So, I don't claim them.

The only negative thing I felt, and it was only slightly negative, was that curiosity of wanting to know who and what I biologically came from, what my medical background was, what my ethnicity was.  I was able to locate and communicate with my birth mother, and I have to admit, it was like a joyous slamming of the missing puzzle pieces into the puzzle.  Just to KNOW.  My life didn't change any, but I KNEW.  That part was just awesome.

The coolest thing was listening to the birth mother and the mom who raised me talk on the phone (as they both requested).  It was like a whole hour of them thanking each other for what a great product they each had a part in making, lol.




LondonArt -> RE: Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (8/30/2008 3:20:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

And lately it's just irking me that many authors write the plot to play out that adopted people have always their whole life felt odd or aqward and never fit in and never knew why.


If the fact of being adopted didn't have any particular effect on the character then there'd be no point in the author mentioning it, it wouldn't serve to further the plot at all. Just imagine that all the weel adjusted normal characters in other books are also adopted, but no one mentions it because it isn't relevant to the progression of the story. Voila, now you have a fair and balanced view.




philosophy -> RE: Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (8/30/2008 4:00:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Well-adjusted people just don't make for interesting storylines, lol.



...very true. There is no drama without conflict......




Aneirin -> RE: Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (8/30/2008 6:25:46 PM)

A book  is a trophy to the art of writing, an art a wordsmith by nature or otherwise aquired can travel in the mind of those open  to their magic.




Termyn8or -> RE: Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (8/30/2008 7:17:45 PM)

An, you wanna read mine ? Has nothing to do with adoption though.

T




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (9/1/2008 9:35:18 AM)

Heheh that's what my dad has always said when we discuss books. And I think it would be nice to know medical history, but it's not a strong enough interest to compell me to search for them, expesially since I know, from what little info there was, the cps report and from the caseworker, and from the conditions we were in, that  we were taken from them for her abusing us, and she refused to show up for court, and forfitted her right to her kids, and my biological father was in jail for raping a minor. I used to have an artical clipping on the subject but lost it years ago on accident. I had their divorce notice clipping too an it got lost along with the artical of his jailing, and that I regret. Because it had their names and ages at time of Divorce, and it's a small piece of info, even though I never * that might change years an years and years down the road*intend to hunt for them.
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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Well-adjusted people just don't make for interesting storylines, lol.

I was adopted, too, always knew it.  The only time I felt out-of-place was when small-minded family members tried to make me feel that way.  So, I don't claim them.

The only negative thing I felt, and it was only slightly negative, was that curiosity of wanting to know who and what I biologically came from, what my medical background was, what my ethnicity was.  I was able to locate and communicate with my birth mother, and I have to admit, it was like a joyous slamming of the missing puzzle pieces into the puzzle.  Just to KNOW.  My life didn't change any, but I KNEW.  That part was just awesome.

The coolest thing was listening to the birth mother and the mom who raised me talk on the phone (as they both requested).  It was like a whole hour of them thanking each other for what a great product they each had a part in making, lol.




windchymes -> RE: Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (9/1/2008 9:46:05 AM)

Wow.  I can truly understand your feelings and sympathize.  One of the reasons I waited so long to do any serious searching was the fear of what I might find out.  I was fortunate that the "mother" side of what I found was great....she was young, someone older swept her off her feet and then disappeared after he knocked her up, denied it was his.  She turned out to be someone very gracious and intelligent who gave me up so I could have a "real" set of parents and that part has a storybook feel to it, lol.  On the sperm donor side, though, he was basically a dirtbag....already had a wife and kids back home.  He died in his 40's of a massive heart attack.....which explained my high blood pressure.....and that was good to know.  My UM's now have a complete medical history from my side of the family and more of my background pieces were filled in.

I have an adopted sister (we're not blood-related) who has more of your attitude...she has no inclinations whatsoever to search and find.  It's definitely an individual choice.




popeye1250 -> RE: Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (9/1/2008 9:48:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: windchymes

Well-adjusted people just don't make for interesting storylines, lol.

I was adopted, too, always knew it.  The only time I felt out-of-place was when small-minded family members tried to make me feel that way.  So, I don't claim them.

The only negative thing I felt, and it was only slightly negative, was that curiosity of wanting to know who and what I biologically came from, what my medical background was, what my ethnicity was.  I was able to locate and communicate with my birth mother, and I have to admit, it was like a joyous slamming of the missing puzzle pieces into the puzzle.  Just to KNOW.  My life didn't change any, but I KNEW.  That part was just awesome.

The coolest thing was listening to the birth mother and the mom who raised me talk on the phone (as they both requested).  It was like a whole hour of them thanking each other for what a great product they each had a part in making, lol.


So Wind, how did you feel when you found out your birth mother was the Queen of Sweden?




windchymes -> RE: Common themes I've seen in books that are annoying me lately. (9/1/2008 10:51:52 AM)

LOL.  I wish. 




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